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Escapist
Gondor
Sep 25 2012, 4:21pm
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I was assuming that eventually the elves being at Rhosgobel would lead to the elves having a reason to join the Dol Guldur battle or something. Maybe I read your post wrong. But I was trying to think through how that may or may not work well - and what it would take to make that work vs what risks it might introduce as far as the credibility of the film.
- I don't think it's a good idea to introduce characters hastily.
- I don't think any additional characters should be included in film1 unless it is really necessary or adds a lot of value because there are already 2 dozen (or more) important named characters being introduced to the audience for the first time.
- I don't think the logistics issues surrounding Mirkwood elves being in Rhosgobel are much easier to deal with than those involved with Gandalf being there (both would involve changes to the text and/or extra back-story - examples of which I gave in that last post - that's what it was largely about).
- There isn't much time to do more filming and last-minute changes with only a few months left to go - so even ideas that don't carry these kinds of issues with them might have to get turned down at this point.
- I think that two wizards could deal with a spider attack without help from elves considering Bilbo was able to handle them with his ring.
- It also sounds like there are already issues with a struggle over trying to whittle the movie down to 2 hours for health/3D related reasons.
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User
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Time
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Tauriel: possible flash sideways?
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DwellerInDale
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Sep 25 2012, 1:36pm
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Radagast is talking to his hedgehog friends.
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Crunchable Birdses
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Sep 25 2012, 1:51pm
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Timeline clarification
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DwellerInDale
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Sep 25 2012, 2:12pm
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It is very unlikely...
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Otaku-sempai
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Sep 25 2012, 9:58pm
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hmmm
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grinman
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Sep 25 2012, 2:40pm
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It's possible
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stoutfiles
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Sep 25 2012, 2:50pm
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me too
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grinman
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Sep 25 2012, 2:55pm
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And we should remember...
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Eye's on Guard
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Sep 25 2012, 3:27pm
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weighing of competing value
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Escapist
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Sep 25 2012, 3:13pm
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I'm a bit Lost by...
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DwellerInDale
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Sep 25 2012, 3:53pm
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Big Lilly fan
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ElendurTheFaithful
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Sep 25 2012, 4:20pm
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clarity (I hope)
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Escapist
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Sep 25 2012, 4:21pm
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I'm not sure...
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grinman
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Sep 25 2012, 4:40pm
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characters
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Escapist
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Sep 25 2012, 4:54pm
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again, not disagreeing..
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grinman
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Sep 25 2012, 5:12pm
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uncertainty and split ends
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Escapist
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Sep 25 2012, 5:24pm
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Certainly!
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grinman
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Sep 25 2012, 5:53pm
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introductions
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There&ThereAgain
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Sep 25 2012, 5:59pm
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She could always appear in a Mirkwood prologue
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DanielLB
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Sep 25 2012, 3:32pm
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Probably not
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Sep 25 2012, 4:54pm
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I wouldn't have minded something like this
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Captain Salt
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Sep 25 2012, 6:08pm
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The spider
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Fàfnir
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Sep 25 2012, 6:13pm
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Back before the films split to three
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burgahobbit
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Sep 25 2012, 6:30pm
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Why in the world
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Solicitr
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Sep 25 2012, 6:39pm
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I'm not
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burgahobbit
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Sep 25 2012, 6:49pm
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And I don't see how she could be detrimental to the film
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DanielLB
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Sep 25 2012, 6:52pm
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The army of the dead did.
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Fàfnir
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Sep 25 2012, 7:00pm
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Ahh, but that is an entire plot (and important plot at that)
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DanielLB
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Sep 25 2012, 7:05pm
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We don't know what plot Tauriel could bring with her... /
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Fàfnir
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Sep 25 2012, 7:07pm
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What major plot could she have? /
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DanielLB
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Sep 25 2012, 7:10pm
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I'm dreadfully afraid
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Solicitr
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Sep 25 2012, 7:14pm
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Well...
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Fàfnir
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Sep 25 2012, 7:15pm
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This is just speculation at the moment though
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DanielLB
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Sep 25 2012, 7:17pm
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I think that that role will be filled not by her
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Aitieuriskon
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Sep 25 2012, 11:14pm
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It could work, but
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Fàfnir
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Sep 26 2012, 2:04am
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I don't think its clear
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Sep 25 2012, 7:08pm
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She's minor in comparison to the rest of the cast.
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DanielLB
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Sep 25 2012, 7:09pm
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But by that definition
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Sep 25 2012, 7:12pm
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I'd say it's comparable to Denethor and Eomer
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DanielLB
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Sep 25 2012, 7:15pm
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she won't get that much exposure.
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Solicitr
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Sep 25 2012, 7:19pm
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Poor kilik...
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Fàfnir
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Sep 25 2012, 7:29pm
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You know it's funny
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Sep 25 2012, 7:34pm
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And why do you think that might be?
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Solicitr
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Sep 25 2012, 7:37pm
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I'm sure posters and readers will draw their own conclusions.
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Sep 25 2012, 7:38pm
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You're ducking
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Solicitr
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Sep 25 2012, 7:46pm
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I disagree
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Fàfnir
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Sep 25 2012, 7:53pm
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Ha, much as I don't like
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Sep 25 2012, 8:03pm
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As Dean Wormer
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Solicitr
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Sep 25 2012, 8:15pm
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No, no she didn't
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Sep 25 2012, 8:20pm
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Oh, yes she did
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Solicitr
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Sep 25 2012, 8:37pm
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And you think that is "affirmative action"?
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Sep 25 2012, 8:43pm
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10cc of Judith Butler, STAT!
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SirDennisC
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Sep 25 2012, 9:24pm
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I think it is a good idea to add Tauriel in to fill out Mirkwood.
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Escapist
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Sep 25 2012, 9:29pm
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A sage prescription!
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Sep 25 2012, 9:30pm
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Please do not confuse feminism with Judith Butler's writings.
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Beutlin
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Sep 25 2012, 9:43pm
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In that case, Rebecca Walker if you prefer...
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SirDennisC
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Sep 25 2012, 10:18pm
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The way a person chooses to take something is their call.
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Escapist
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Sep 25 2012, 10:21pm
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Give us a few weeks
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Solicitr
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Sep 26 2012, 1:16am
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It takes fresher bait than that.
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SirDennisC
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Sep 26 2012, 1:44am
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Garbage character
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macfalk
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Sep 26 2012, 8:23am
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Obvious to you, at least...
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Otaku-sempai
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Sep 26 2012, 8:56am
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brainstorm
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Escapist
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Sep 25 2012, 8:51pm
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99% sure that Tauriel and Legolas are NOT in AUJ
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Sep 25 2012, 10:29pm
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Agreed
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SirDennisC
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Sep 25 2012, 10:31pm
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Toys
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Fardragon
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Sep 26 2012, 10:10am
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Toys...
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Otaku-sempai
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Sep 26 2012, 9:03pm
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As far as I'm aware, Leggy and Tauriel are the only AUJ figures
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Captain Salt
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Sep 26 2012, 9:10pm
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What?!?
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Jettorex
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Sep 26 2012, 7:52pm
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FYI
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Otaku-sempai
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Sep 26 2012, 9:07pm
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There is a reason to that !
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Fàfnir
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Sep 25 2012, 7:38pm
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He's just as made up as Tauriel though
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DanielLB
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Sep 25 2012, 7:41pm
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I personally think they will both be great
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Fàfnir
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Sep 25 2012, 7:50pm
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At least we agree over something then ;-) /
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DanielLB
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Sep 25 2012, 7:51pm
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Agreed based on what we know thus far. //
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Captain Salt
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Sep 25 2012, 7:53pm
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How much "life" does a prison need?
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Solicitr
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Sep 25 2012, 8:12pm
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He's an unknown actor, with very little experience
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Sep 25 2012, 10:30pm
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I suspect (and I know others do as well) Alfrid will be the Grima of The Hobbit.
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DanielLB
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Sep 26 2012, 7:22am
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I suspect Alfrid exists
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Fardragon
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Sep 26 2012, 10:16am
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hence
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Elenorflower
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Sep 26 2012, 11:06am
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Too many "musts" in there
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Sep 26 2012, 7:19pm
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Cunning civil servant
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macfalk
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Sep 26 2012, 8:25am
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Agreed, and I think the possibilities for Tauriel are:
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Captain Salt
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Sep 25 2012, 7:27pm
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Convincing
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Sep 25 2012, 7:34pm
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Or she could be more along the lines of Gamling
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Arwen's daughter
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Sep 25 2012, 7:41pm
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I suppose it's possible, but IMO they wouldn't cast a "name" actress in a Gamling-sized role. //
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Captain Salt
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Sep 25 2012, 7:52pm
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Good point
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Sep 25 2012, 7:06pm
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How much screen time...
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Solicitr
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Sep 25 2012, 7:05pm
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Again ... these are major plot lines
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DanielLB
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Sep 25 2012, 7:07pm
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A minor character who merits an action figure, it would seem. //
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Eowyn of Penns Woods
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Sep 25 2012, 7:35pm
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I don't think that proves anything, does it?
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DanielLB
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Sep 25 2012, 7:36pm
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OK, so Evangeline Lilly did say
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Solicitr
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Sep 25 2012, 7:07pm
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Evangeline Lilly - Not A Real Purist?
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macfalk
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Sep 26 2012, 8:28am
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There are at least a few reasons --
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SirDennisC
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Sep 25 2012, 6:56pm
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I agree
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Fàfnir
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Sep 25 2012, 7:06pm
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If there is a risk associated with including Tauriel and Legolas
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Escapist
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Sep 25 2012, 7:20pm
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Indeed
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Elenorflower
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Sep 25 2012, 9:26pm
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Even if there's an audible toot as she takes off?
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SirDennisC
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Sep 25 2012, 9:29pm
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maybe she lights one
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Elenorflower
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Sep 25 2012, 9:37pm
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I think Lily makes a great elf lady //
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Escapist
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Sep 25 2012, 9:31pm
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One big problem
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Sep 25 2012, 6:50pm
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The interesting thing about that is
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Escapist
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Sep 25 2012, 7:22pm
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a
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ElendurTheFaithful
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Sep 25 2012, 7:25pm
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Oh, I assure you,
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Solicitr
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Sep 25 2012, 7:40pm
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a
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ElendurTheFaithful
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Sep 25 2012, 10:03pm
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They are not listed on the official cast list for AUJ
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Sep 25 2012, 7:30pm
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And
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Sep 25 2012, 6:52pm
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I was disappointed to discover that the title of this thread
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Fardragon
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Sep 27 2012, 2:27pm
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Hehe
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Phibbus
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Sep 27 2012, 2:37pm
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specially
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Elenorflower
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Sep 27 2012, 9:58pm
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Lilly revealed from the right side
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SirDennisC
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Sep 28 2012, 4:16am
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Okay maybe it will work this time
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SirDennisC
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Sep 28 2012, 4:30am
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she is very very pretty
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Elenorflower
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Sep 28 2012, 1:29pm
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Because all elves look exactly like that picture you just showed us ...
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Escapist
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Sep 28 2012, 1:50pm
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A clone army?
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Arwen's daughter
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Sep 28 2012, 3:16pm
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er
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Elenorflower
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Sep 28 2012, 4:27pm
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Agreed 100%
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Sep 28 2012, 4:34pm
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yes baffling
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Elenorflower
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Sep 28 2012, 8:13pm
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To each their own I suppose
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Tim
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Sep 29 2012, 2:16pm
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Can't be wrong about your impressions!
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Sep 29 2012, 3:42pm
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I don't see it.
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Fardragon
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Sep 30 2012, 8:08am
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well it doesnt contradict Tolkiens
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Elenorflower
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Sep 30 2012, 11:26am
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I don't see how.
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Fardragon
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Sep 30 2012, 2:20pm
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Screen presence
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Otaku-sempai
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Sep 30 2012, 6:03pm
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I am just going off what
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Elenorflower
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Sep 30 2012, 6:56pm
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Thranduil and Legolas are also not Silvan Elves
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Otaku-sempai
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Sep 30 2012, 7:00pm
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I understand that
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Oct 1 2012, 11:35pm
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You mean the presence
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Fardragon
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Sep 30 2012, 8:25pm
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Screen presence
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Otaku-sempai
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Sep 30 2012, 10:33pm
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As Elisebeth I
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Fardragon
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Oct 1 2012, 7:37am
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Liv Tyler
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Tim
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Oct 1 2012, 12:57am
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Your point?
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Otaku-sempai
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Oct 1 2012, 4:12am
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I think I made my point very clear.
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Tim
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Oct 1 2012, 4:24am
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Your post seemed to imply that we were in disagreement....
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Otaku-sempai
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Oct 1 2012, 4:28am
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I don't know...
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Jettorex
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Oct 1 2012, 9:50pm
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It is just so very, very unfortunate...
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Laitholiel_the_SeaElf
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Sep 29 2012, 4:46am
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I did think they might make a couple of the main dwarves female
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Fardragon
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Sep 29 2012, 2:59pm
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