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SirDennisC
Half-elven
Sep 24 2012, 5:01pm
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This is what I was getting at here (though your post is a fully supported thesis, mine a mention in passing):
It really is too early to say. We've seen what, less than a minute of a 20 minute scene? The scene begins with Bilbo at the end of his wits (and the trail he was following), recovering from a bump on the head. Also he was rather more comfortable than humans would be under ground, and upon meeting Gollum was only "anxious" because he wasn't sure of the creature's alignment be it chaotic good, neutral, lawful evil and so on... nah, he wasn't sure if Gollum was a friend of the Goblins or not. Tolkien says nothing about him being frightened by him though. At least not at first. Keep in mind too that Gollum was trying to appear friendly, at least until he found out more about Bilbo and his sword. That last line is almost an exact quote from Riddles in the Dark. Also it is important to consider how Bilbo relates to Gollum when trying to discern how fans will respond to him, and how far removed (or not) either of their portrayals are from the book. Not only does Tolkien say that Gollum was trying to appear friendly, he also says Bilbo was [merely] anxious until he had more time to learn about Gollum. So at the beginning of their encounter, if an affected friendliness is the ideal for portraying Gollum, and a detached wariness is ideal on Bilbo's part, they pretty much nailed it in the trailer. Anyway, thanks for taking the time to walk us through the scene Silverlode.
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The "friendly" Gollum from the trailer
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Silverlode
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Sep 24 2012, 9:16am
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Interesting!
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Intergalactic Lawman
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Sep 24 2012, 9:44am
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Absolutely..
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Bombadil
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Sep 24 2012, 10:02am
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Could also be
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Solicitr
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Sep 24 2012, 1:57pm
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As to Light in his Cave..
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Bombadil
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Sep 24 2012, 2:18pm
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thanks!
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Valandil ed Imladris
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Sep 24 2012, 10:09am
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Great stuff, Silverlode!
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Kendalf
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Sep 24 2012, 10:25am
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We did see the Smeagol-Gollum split personality in the trailer...
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Earl
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Sep 24 2012, 11:23am
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Yes, Earl
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Kendalf
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Sep 24 2012, 11:42am
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Are perfect making you sense
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Earl
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Sep 24 2012, 11:50am
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Not only that
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Sep 24 2012, 4:54pm
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The alternate trailer ending
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Estel78
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Sep 24 2012, 11:15am
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That is in the beginning of the Riddles in the Dark scene !
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Gusev8
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Sep 24 2012, 12:00pm
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You're probably right.
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Estel78
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Sep 24 2012, 12:44pm
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Iconic scene
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Gusev8
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Sep 24 2012, 12:53pm
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From descriptions at comic-con (spoilers)
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burgahobbit
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Sep 24 2012, 12:03pm
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Change...
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Eleniel
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Sep 24 2012, 8:22pm
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The ubiquitous question......
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Solicitr
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Sep 24 2012, 8:34pm
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Because they're making a film
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Eledhwen
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Sep 24 2012, 9:00pm
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Chesterton's Fence
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Solicitr
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Sep 25 2012, 12:50am
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Making a movie does not change the original work
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entmaiden
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Sep 25 2012, 12:30pm
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You're rather missing the point
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Solicitr
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Sep 25 2012, 1:53pm
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I certainly didn't make that argument
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entmaiden
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Sep 25 2012, 2:21pm
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But there you go again
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Solicitr
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Sep 25 2012, 2:36pm
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I don't think a bunch of amateurs
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entmaiden
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Sep 25 2012, 2:59pm
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Oh, my, a variant on the argumentum ad auctoritas
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Solicitr
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Sep 25 2012, 3:17pm
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Adaptation paradigms
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Phibbus
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Sep 25 2012, 3:42pm
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Most film adaptations of books are probably a mix of all those elements. //
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Escapist
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Sep 25 2012, 3:47pm
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I think it's a bit simplistic.
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Fardragon
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Sep 25 2012, 4:00pm
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Two contentious assertions at one go
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Solicitr
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Sep 25 2012, 5:02pm
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Not bad. Not bad at all
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Solicitr
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Sep 25 2012, 4:01pm
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I wouldn't ever push the idea that something is
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Sep 25 2012, 4:42pm
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Just a little background for the rest of us -
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SirDennisC
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Sep 25 2012, 6:40pm
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Authorial intent upon authorial intent
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Sep 25 2012, 4:50pm
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Like Mark Twain
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Solicitr
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Sep 25 2012, 6:06pm
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Well I'd have to say no, not really.
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Sep 25 2012, 6:42pm
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What you mean to say
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Solicitr
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Sep 25 2012, 6:47pm
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Certainly
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Sep 25 2012, 7:16pm
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Oh, balderdash
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Solicitr
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Sep 25 2012, 7:32pm
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Well there was me trying to be generous
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Sep 25 2012, 7:37pm
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Nope
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Solicitr
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Sep 25 2012, 7:43pm
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Balderdash?
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Kangi Ska
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Sep 25 2012, 10:16pm
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I completely agree with you
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burgahobbit
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Sep 24 2012, 12:06pm
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The comedy was never in the book, though
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stoutfiles
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Sep 24 2012, 12:26pm
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I totally agree with you Stoutfiles
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Elenorflower
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Sep 24 2012, 1:51pm
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Amen
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Solicitr
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Sep 24 2012, 2:08pm
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Whatever the case with Sybil may have been . . .
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Ælfwine Samylfin
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Sep 25 2012, 12:17am
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Yup
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ericmvan
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Sep 25 2012, 4:34am
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Given that
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Ælfwine Samylfin
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Sep 26 2012, 2:56am
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Oh my, that sounds horrible...
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SirDennisC
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Sep 26 2012, 3:15am
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Excellent point
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Sep 24 2012, 3:52pm
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Tolkien uses various humorous techniques in the scene
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Sep 24 2012, 6:39pm
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You also have to realize
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Lindele
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Sep 24 2012, 1:26pm
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Good point
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Sep 24 2012, 2:32pm
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My issue is neither politeness nor cutestiness
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
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Sep 24 2012, 2:41pm
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erm
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Elenorflower
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Sep 24 2012, 2:55pm
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As PJ does far, far, far too often
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Solicitr
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Sep 24 2012, 3:25pm
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The humor makes us Peanuts happy.
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Kangi Ska
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Sep 24 2012, 3:56pm
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It's entirely possible
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Solicitr
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Sep 24 2012, 4:09pm
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PJ did an excellent job adapting LOTR
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Estel78
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Sep 24 2012, 5:22pm
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I guess I'm a peanut gallery member as well
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Tim
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Sep 24 2012, 4:36pm
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Pass the peanuts and break out the peanut M&Ms!
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Arwen's daughter
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Sep 24 2012, 5:41pm
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Peasants!
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Sep 24 2012, 5:42pm
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Me too
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dormouse
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Sep 24 2012, 5:55pm
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This is different, though
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Sep 24 2012, 6:35pm
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Well, I don't think so...
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dormouse
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Sep 24 2012, 7:06pm
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On an intellectual level
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Sep 24 2012, 7:12pm
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It's so hard to tell with just that little clip
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entmaiden
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Sep 24 2012, 7:30pm
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Thank you
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Altaira
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Sep 25 2012, 3:30am
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But something cute....
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dormouse
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Sep 24 2012, 7:50pm
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If they could pull that off
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stoutfiles
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Sep 24 2012, 11:17pm
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That was my thought also.
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entmaiden
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Sep 24 2012, 7:22pm
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You know what is to come
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Sep 24 2012, 7:29pm
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I think the point of the trailer
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entmaiden
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Sep 24 2012, 7:56pm
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But neither does Bilbo
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Silverlode
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Sep 25 2012, 1:22am
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Seems a bit backwards
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Sep 25 2012, 1:28am
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yep exactly
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Sinister71
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Sep 25 2012, 1:40am
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I expect he will be.
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Silverlode
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Sep 25 2012, 1:58am
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He still shouldn't be seen as friendly
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Sinister71
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Sep 25 2012, 2:29am
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I must be missing something
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SirDennisC
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Sep 25 2012, 3:49am
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perspective
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Sinister71
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Sep 25 2012, 7:54am
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If you don't mind me saying so ...
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tolktolk
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Sep 25 2012, 9:57am
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Please step back a little and think about this....
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dormouse
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Sep 25 2012, 1:17pm
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I am sure no one recognises that description
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Sep 25 2012, 5:04pm
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I said what we have seen so far
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Sinister71
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Sep 25 2012, 11:17pm
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The Bright Side
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JWPlatt
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Sep 25 2012, 11:42pm
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NO
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Sinister71
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Sep 25 2012, 11:53pm
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Many people are pessimists and always expect the worst.
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Kangi Ska
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Sep 26 2012, 12:54am
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When frustrated
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Sep 26 2012, 1:44am
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Universes
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JWPlatt
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Sep 26 2012, 2:09am
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There you are wrong
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Sep 26 2012, 2:44am
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Well said, sir
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Solicitr
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Sep 26 2012, 12:37am
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No...
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tolktolk
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Sep 26 2012, 8:40am
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good advice
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Elenorflower
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Sep 26 2012, 11:21am
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Ive never said anyones view point is less important than mine
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Sinister71
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Sep 26 2012, 4:24pm
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Witty and original
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macfalk
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Sep 26 2012, 5:42pm
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well heres an idea
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Sinister71
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Sep 26 2012, 6:02pm
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Oh dear
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Fardragon
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Sep 26 2012, 6:19pm
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You underestimate
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Sep 26 2012, 7:28pm
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Is complaining about the films really a "core aspect of Tolkien fandom"?
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Arwen's daughter
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Sep 26 2012, 7:35pm
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As long as
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Silverlode
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Sep 26 2012, 7:59pm
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This is easily
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Sep 26 2012, 10:28pm
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I know its hard to believe that everyone doesn't find Peter jackson's middle earth
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Sinister71
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Sep 26 2012, 10:37pm
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No, it's not
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Altaira
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Sep 27 2012, 3:02am
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Call me stupid, but...
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macfalk
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Sep 26 2012, 12:08pm
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Toilet Humor
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JWPlatt
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Sep 26 2012, 3:15pm
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Squirrel droppings comes close, too. ;-) /
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DanielLB
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Sep 26 2012, 3:18pm
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How is squirrel droppings "crude toilet humour"
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macfalk
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Sep 26 2012, 5:37pm
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Did you forget "the consistency of" part?
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Eowyn of Penns Woods
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Sep 26 2012, 6:11pm
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Personally ...
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DanielLB
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Sep 26 2012, 6:19pm
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A short list of crude humor
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Sep 27 2012, 5:45am
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Broken carrot = crude? //
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macfalk
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Sep 27 2012, 9:10am
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Perhaps crude was not a good adjective for the carrot bit
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Sep 28 2012, 1:18am
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This is what it comes down to. Agreed.
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DanielLB
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Sep 28 2012, 7:38am
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Crude?
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DanielLB
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Sep 27 2012, 9:14am
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You need to look up
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Fardragon
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Sep 27 2012, 2:24pm
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I'm aware of it's alternative meaning
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DanielLB
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Sep 27 2012, 2:27pm
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You are right.
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Fardragon
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Sep 27 2012, 2:30pm
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Who want's to take bets then, that this sentence appears in the films?
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DanielLB
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Sep 27 2012, 4:26pm
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well I wouldnt say
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Elenorflower
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Sep 27 2012, 9:35pm
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and tosspot
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Elenorflower
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Sep 27 2012, 9:37pm
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It also has a very different meaning in the UK
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DanielLB
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Sep 27 2012, 9:46pm
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I think we should be glad that Michael Bay's not making these films.
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Hanzkaz
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Sep 27 2012, 3:35pm
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LOTR Gollum as filter
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SirDennisC
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Sep 25 2012, 5:10pm
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Alas no
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Sep 25 2012, 6:58am
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Touche
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Altaira
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Sep 25 2012, 12:25pm
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Hannibal Lector
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Elenorflower
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Sep 25 2012, 1:05pm
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Liver With Fava Beans
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JWPlatt
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Sep 25 2012, 1:13pm
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Bilbo kills goblins?
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Solicitr
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Sep 25 2012, 2:53am
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I never said kill.
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Silverlode
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Sep 25 2012, 6:59am
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I see it as an evolution
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entmaiden
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Sep 25 2012, 2:04am
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Something Lacrimae Rerum said captures it nicely
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SirDennisC
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Sep 25 2012, 2:12am
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Bilbo starts out afraid of Gollum
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Sinister71
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Sep 25 2012, 2:34am
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Silverlode
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Elenorflower
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Sep 25 2012, 1:22pm
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Creepy?
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Sinister71
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Sep 25 2012, 12:33am
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Youse goddit, boss
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Solicitr
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Sep 25 2012, 12:45am
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Which is of course
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Sep 25 2012, 7:01am
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What the heck,
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painjoiker
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Sep 24 2012, 8:54pm
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Tolkien did the same thing
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entmaiden
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Sep 24 2012, 5:39pm
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Well, i laughed.
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Estel78
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Sep 24 2012, 5:17pm
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I laughed too
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Sep 24 2012, 5:39pm
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What's plainly needed
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Solicitr
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Sep 24 2012, 5:50pm
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I thought it was very sinister
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Altaira
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Sep 24 2012, 6:07pm
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well I would
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Elenorflower
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Sep 24 2012, 9:01pm
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In that scene the humour derives from incongruity
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Sep 24 2012, 9:21pm
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Now...Class Calm..& sit Down..What we got
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Bombadil
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Sep 24 2012, 9:46pm
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do you mean
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Elenorflower
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Sep 24 2012, 10:26pm
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I mean incongruity as an
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Sep 24 2012, 10:29pm
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Eats It
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JWPlatt
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Sep 24 2012, 11:15pm
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Excellent post Silverlode. Spot on.//
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Gorbag
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Sep 24 2012, 4:41pm
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Quoted for truth
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SirDennisC
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Sep 24 2012, 5:01pm
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'What has it got in its pocketses?' should be a real tense moment
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sycorax82
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Sep 24 2012, 8:35pm
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Its probably
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Elenorflower
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Sep 24 2012, 8:49pm
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If you're following canon, Gollum can't be too threatening.
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ericmvan
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Sep 25 2012, 5:36am
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