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Quoted for truth

SirDennisC
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Sep 24 2012, 5:01pm


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Quoted for truth [In reply to] Can't Post
This is what I was getting at here (though your post is a fully supported thesis, mine a mention in passing):

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It really is too early to say. We've seen what, less than a minute of a 20 minute scene? The scene begins with Bilbo at the end of his wits (and the trail he was following), recovering from a bump on the head. Also he was rather more comfortable than humans would be under ground, and upon meeting Gollum was only "anxious" because he wasn't sure of the creature's alignment be it chaotic good, neutral, lawful evil and so on... nah, he wasn't sure if Gollum was a friend of the Goblins or not. Tolkien says nothing about him being frightened by him though. At least not at first.

Keep in mind too that Gollum was trying to appear friendly, at least until he found out more about Bilbo and his sword.
That last line is almost an exact quote from Riddles in the Dark.

Also it is important to consider how Bilbo relates to Gollum when trying to discern how fans will respond to him, and how far removed (or not) either of their portrayals are from the book. Not only does Tolkien say that Gollum was trying to appear friendly, he also says Bilbo was [merely] anxious until he had more time to learn about Gollum.

So at the beginning of their encounter, if an affected friendliness is the ideal for portraying Gollum, and a detached wariness is ideal on Bilbo's part, they pretty much nailed it in the trailer.

Anyway, thanks for taking the time to walk us through the scene Silverlode.


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The "friendly" Gollum from the trailer Silverlode Send a private message to Silverlode Sep 24 2012, 9:16am
    Interesting! Intergalactic Lawman Send a private message to Intergalactic Lawman Sep 24 2012, 9:44am
        Absolutely.. Bombadil Send a private message to Bombadil Sep 24 2012, 10:02am
            Could also be Solicitr Send a private message to Solicitr Sep 24 2012, 1:57pm
                As to Light in his Cave.. Bombadil Send a private message to Bombadil Sep 24 2012, 2:18pm
    thanks! Valandil ed Imladris Send a private message to Valandil ed Imladris Sep 24 2012, 10:09am
    Great stuff, Silverlode! Kendalf Send a private message to Kendalf Sep 24 2012, 10:25am
        We did see the Smeagol-Gollum split personality in the trailer... Earl Send a private message to Earl Sep 24 2012, 11:23am
            Yes, Earl Kendalf Send a private message to Kendalf Sep 24 2012, 11:42am
                Are perfect making you sense Earl Send a private message to Earl Sep 24 2012, 11:50am
            Not only that Shelob'sAppetite Send a private message to Shelob'sAppetite Sep 24 2012, 4:54pm
    The alternate trailer ending Estel78 Send a private message to Estel78 Sep 24 2012, 11:15am
        That is in the beginning of the Riddles in the Dark scene ! Gusev8 Send a private message to Gusev8 Sep 24 2012, 12:00pm
            You're probably right. Estel78 Send a private message to Estel78 Sep 24 2012, 12:44pm
                Iconic scene Gusev8 Send a private message to Gusev8 Sep 24 2012, 12:53pm
        From descriptions at comic-con (spoilers) burgahobbit Send a private message to burgahobbit Sep 24 2012, 12:03pm
            Change... Eleniel Send a private message to Eleniel Sep 24 2012, 8:22pm
                The ubiquitous question...... Solicitr Send a private message to Solicitr Sep 24 2012, 8:34pm
                    Because they're making a film Eledhwen Send a private message to Eledhwen Sep 24 2012, 9:00pm
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                                You're rather missing the point Solicitr Send a private message to Solicitr Sep 25 2012, 1:53pm
                                    I certainly didn't make that argument entmaiden Send a private message to entmaiden Sep 25 2012, 2:21pm
                                        But there you go again Solicitr Send a private message to Solicitr Sep 25 2012, 2:36pm
                                            I don't think a bunch of amateurs entmaiden Send a private message to entmaiden Sep 25 2012, 2:59pm
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                                            Adaptation paradigms Phibbus Send a private message to Phibbus Sep 25 2012, 3:42pm
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                                                I think it's a bit simplistic. Fardragon Send a private message to Fardragon Sep 25 2012, 4:00pm
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                                                Not bad. Not bad at all Solicitr Send a private message to Solicitr Sep 25 2012, 4:01pm
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                                        Just a little background for the rest of us - SirDennisC Send a private message to SirDennisC Sep 25 2012, 6:40pm
                                    Authorial intent upon authorial intent Lacrimae Rerum Send a private message to Lacrimae Rerum Sep 25 2012, 4:50pm
                                        Like Mark Twain Solicitr Send a private message to Solicitr Sep 25 2012, 6:06pm
                                            Well I'd have to say no, not really. Lacrimae Rerum Send a private message to Lacrimae Rerum Sep 25 2012, 6:42pm
                                                What you mean to say Solicitr Send a private message to Solicitr Sep 25 2012, 6:47pm
                                                    Certainly Lacrimae Rerum Send a private message to Lacrimae Rerum Sep 25 2012, 7:16pm
                                                        Oh, balderdash Solicitr Send a private message to Solicitr Sep 25 2012, 7:32pm
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    The comedy was never in the book, though stoutfiles Send a private message to stoutfiles Sep 24 2012, 12:26pm
        I totally agree with you Stoutfiles Elenorflower Send a private message to Elenorflower Sep 24 2012, 1:51pm
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                            Oh my, that sounds horrible... SirDennisC Send a private message to SirDennisC Sep 26 2012, 3:15am
        Excellent point Shelob'sAppetite Send a private message to Shelob'sAppetite Sep 24 2012, 3:52pm
        Tolkien uses various humorous techniques in the scene Lacrimae Rerum Send a private message to Lacrimae Rerum Sep 24 2012, 6:39pm
    You also have to realize Lindele Send a private message to Lindele Sep 24 2012, 1:26pm
    Good point Shelob'sAppetite Send a private message to Shelob'sAppetite Sep 24 2012, 2:32pm
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            erm Elenorflower Send a private message to Elenorflower Sep 24 2012, 2:55pm
                As PJ does far, far, far too often Solicitr Send a private message to Solicitr Sep 24 2012, 3:25pm
                    The humor makes us Peanuts happy. Kangi Ska Send a private message to Kangi Ska Sep 24 2012, 3:56pm
                        It's entirely possible Solicitr Send a private message to Solicitr Sep 24 2012, 4:09pm
                            PJ did an excellent job adapting LOTR Estel78 Send a private message to Estel78 Sep 24 2012, 5:22pm
                        I guess I'm a peanut gallery member as well Tim Send a private message to Tim Sep 24 2012, 4:36pm
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                            Me too dormouse Send a private message to dormouse Sep 24 2012, 5:55pm
                                This is different, though Shelob'sAppetite Send a private message to Shelob'sAppetite Sep 24 2012, 6:35pm
                                    Well, I don't think so... dormouse Send a private message to dormouse Sep 24 2012, 7:06pm
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                                            It's so hard to tell with just that little clip entmaiden Send a private message to entmaiden Sep 24 2012, 7:30pm
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                                                I think the point of the trailer entmaiden Send a private message to entmaiden Sep 24 2012, 7:56pm
                                                But neither does Bilbo Silverlode Send a private message to Silverlode Sep 25 2012, 1:22am
                                                    Seems a bit backwards Shelob'sAppetite Send a private message to Shelob'sAppetite Sep 25 2012, 1:28am
                                                        yep exactly Sinister71 Send a private message to Sinister71 Sep 25 2012, 1:40am
                                                        I expect he will be. Silverlode Send a private message to Silverlode Sep 25 2012, 1:58am
                                                            He still shouldn't be seen as friendly Sinister71 Send a private message to Sinister71 Sep 25 2012, 2:29am
                                                                I must be missing something SirDennisC Send a private message to SirDennisC Sep 25 2012, 3:49am
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                                                                        If you don't mind me saying so ... tolktolk Send a private message to tolktolk Sep 25 2012, 9:57am
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                                                                                The Bright Side JWPlatt Sep 25 2012, 11:42pm
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                                                                                            There you are wrong Shelob'sAppetite Send a private message to Shelob'sAppetite Sep 26 2012, 2:44am
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                                                                                            Oh dear Fardragon Send a private message to Fardragon Sep 26 2012, 6:19pm
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                                                                                        Is complaining about the films really a "core aspect of Tolkien fandom"? Arwen's daughter Send a private message to Arwen's daughter Sep 26 2012, 7:35pm
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                                                                                        This is easily Lacrimae Rerum Send a private message to Lacrimae Rerum Sep 26 2012, 10:28pm
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                                                                                Call me stupid, but... macfalk Send a private message to macfalk Sep 26 2012, 12:08pm
                                                                                    Toilet Humor JWPlatt Sep 26 2012, 3:15pm
                                                                                        Squirrel droppings comes close, too. ;-) / DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Sep 26 2012, 3:18pm
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                                                                                            Perhaps crude was not a good adjective for the carrot bit Shelob'sAppetite Send a private message to Shelob'sAppetite Sep 28 2012, 1:18am
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                                                                                                            well I wouldnt say Elenorflower Send a private message to Elenorflower Sep 27 2012, 9:35pm
                                                                                                                and tosspot Elenorflower Send a private message to Elenorflower Sep 27 2012, 9:37pm
                                                                                                                    It also has a very different meaning in the UK DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Sep 27 2012, 9:46pm
                                                                                        I think we should be glad that Michael Bay's not making these films. Hanzkaz Sep 27 2012, 3:35pm
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                                                                I never said kill. Silverlode Send a private message to Silverlode Sep 25 2012, 6:59am
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                                                            Bilbo starts out afraid of Gollum Sinister71 Send a private message to Sinister71 Sep 25 2012, 2:34am
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                                        Creepy? Sinister71 Send a private message to Sinister71 Sep 25 2012, 12:33am
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                                                Which is of course Lacrimae Rerum Send a private message to Lacrimae Rerum Sep 25 2012, 7:01am
                            What the heck, painjoiker Send a private message to painjoiker Sep 24 2012, 8:54pm
                    Tolkien did the same thing entmaiden Send a private message to entmaiden Sep 24 2012, 5:39pm
                Well, i laughed. Estel78 Send a private message to Estel78 Sep 24 2012, 5:17pm
                    I laughed too Shelob'sAppetite Send a private message to Shelob'sAppetite Sep 24 2012, 5:39pm
                        What's plainly needed Solicitr Send a private message to Solicitr Sep 24 2012, 5:50pm
                    I thought it was very sinister Altaira Send a private message to Altaira Sep 24 2012, 6:07pm
                    well I would Elenorflower Send a private message to Elenorflower Sep 24 2012, 9:01pm
                        In that scene the humour derives from incongruity Lacrimae Rerum Send a private message to Lacrimae Rerum Sep 24 2012, 9:21pm
                            Now...Class Calm..& sit Down..What we got Bombadil Send a private message to Bombadil Sep 24 2012, 9:46pm
                            do you mean Elenorflower Send a private message to Elenorflower Sep 24 2012, 10:26pm
                                I mean incongruity as an Lacrimae Rerum Send a private message to Lacrimae Rerum Sep 24 2012, 10:29pm
                                    Eats It JWPlatt Sep 24 2012, 11:15pm
    Excellent post Silverlode. Spot on.// Gorbag Send a private message to Gorbag Sep 24 2012, 4:41pm
    Quoted for truth SirDennisC Send a private message to SirDennisC Sep 24 2012, 5:01pm
    'What has it got in its pocketses?' should be a real tense moment sycorax82 Send a private message to sycorax82 Sep 24 2012, 8:35pm
        Its probably Elenorflower Send a private message to Elenorflower Sep 24 2012, 8:49pm
    If you're following canon, Gollum can't be too threatening. ericmvan Send a private message to ericmvan Sep 25 2012, 5:36am

 
 
 

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