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macfalk
Valinor
Sep 23 2012, 6:01pm
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the reaction would have been if JRR Tolkien directed, written, composed, edited, produced, casted in an adaptation of LOTR! Not even the purest purists could object to any change Tolkien would have made while adapting it
The greatest adventure is what lies ahead.
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Reactions to the trailer overwhelmingly positive on historically-critical Tolkien site
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Sep 22 2012, 11:31pm
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I think it will be OK
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titanium_hobbit
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Sep 22 2012, 11:40pm
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nah!
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Elenorflower
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Sep 22 2012, 11:41pm
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Probably wise
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Sep 22 2012, 11:45pm
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because the trailer was amazing
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lurtz2010
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Sep 22 2012, 11:49pm
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I have to wonder
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Sep 22 2012, 11:49pm
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L-Like In Trailer Dialogue
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JWPlatt
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Sep 22 2012, 11:56pm
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Yup
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Sep 23 2012, 12:03am
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Not The Pause
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JWPlatt
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Sep 23 2012, 12:12am
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I noticed when I was editing
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cameragod
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Sep 23 2012, 1:49am
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I thought it must've been as soon as I heard it
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lurtz2010
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Sep 22 2012, 11:56pm
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I think so
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Elenorflower
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Sep 23 2012, 12:09am
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weird speech
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Lusitano
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Sep 23 2012, 12:27am
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Some of it was probably recorded for that, or...
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dalecooper
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Sep 23 2012, 1:38am
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Spot on, dalecooper
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Altaira
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Sep 23 2012, 5:10am
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I agree about computer screen vs theater screen and will go farther to say....
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Magpie
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Sep 23 2012, 5:13am
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I never caught the first trailer in 3-D
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Altaira
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Sep 23 2012, 5:56am
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I think what I should do for three months...
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Magpie
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Sep 23 2012, 5:13pm
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I don't know about that Goblin King moment though!
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wendy woo
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Sep 23 2012, 6:54am
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I was actually
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Elenorflower
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Sep 23 2012, 3:23pm
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I agree the first trailer gave me goosebumps
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Sinister71
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Sep 23 2012, 3:26pm
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Hehe
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Phibbus
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Sep 23 2012, 3:27pm
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oh dear
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Elenorflower
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Sep 23 2012, 8:57pm
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while I think that some of the
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Elenorflower
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Sep 23 2012, 9:32pm
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I agree whole heartedly
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Sinister71
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Sep 23 2012, 9:44pm
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Yup.
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Solicitr
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Sep 23 2012, 11:47pm
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Oddly enough, I agree
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DarkJackal
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Sep 23 2012, 12:58am
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Seems to be doing ok on YouTube
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Sep 22 2012, 11:49pm
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Propaganda
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JWPlatt
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Sep 22 2012, 11:49pm
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Reactions to the trailer (both good and bad) on this site will be amplified tenfold.
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Maiarmike
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Sep 23 2012, 12:03am
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But TORN is full of hardcore Tolkien fans
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Sep 23 2012, 12:05am
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That should read TORC
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Sep 23 2012, 12:25am
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The reactions are overwhelmingly positive, because the trailer is overwhelmingly awesome :)
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Gorbag
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Sep 23 2012, 12:14am
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I'm with you
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Elessar
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Sep 23 2012, 1:17am
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Some unique things about TORn that I have noticed.
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Escapist
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Sep 23 2012, 12:37am
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Yes, TORners often assume
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Faenoriel
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Sep 23 2012, 10:14am
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And the awards
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macfalk
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Sep 23 2012, 11:04am
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Aha ha! Though to be fair
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Faenoriel
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Sep 23 2012, 11:15am
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Mac..I'm ROTFLMAO///
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Bombadil
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Sep 23 2012, 11:23am
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Not this old "billions and billions served" argument again
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Solicitr
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Sep 23 2012, 4:56pm
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I think for most people
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Sep 23 2012, 5:10pm
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Hm/
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Solicitr
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Sep 23 2012, 5:58pm
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I don't understand I'm afraid.
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Sep 23 2012, 6:09pm
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Exactly
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macfalk
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Sep 23 2012, 6:15pm
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Ugh
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Elessar
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Sep 23 2012, 5:38pm
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The dreaded NARF
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entmaiden
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Sep 23 2012, 5:53pm
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I wonder how
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macfalk
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Sep 23 2012, 6:01pm
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That's great
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Elessar
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Sep 23 2012, 6:08pm
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I find myself in this category.
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Owain
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Sep 23 2012, 10:03pm
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true
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Sinister71
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Sep 23 2012, 10:09pm
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I dont think
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Elenorflower
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Sep 23 2012, 10:38pm
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It is an enviable category to belong to
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Sep 23 2012, 10:09pm
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Here's to a very enjoyable experiencing...
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Owain
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Sep 23 2012, 10:12pm
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Me 2
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Elessar
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Sep 23 2012, 10:50pm
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Indeed! There is so much to enjoy.
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Owain
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Sep 24 2012, 12:47am
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Impact
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Elessar
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Sep 24 2012, 12:50am
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I guess...
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Magpie
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Sep 23 2012, 5:53pm
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Not A Real Fan, mate
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macfalk
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Sep 23 2012, 5:56pm
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I gues so. Lol
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Elessar
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Sep 23 2012, 6:09pm
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My guess still stands: the majority of the fans were pleased
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macfalk
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Sep 23 2012, 6:05pm
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Not this old: 'people who liked the movies aren't 'actual fans'' argument again
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Altaira
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Sep 23 2012, 9:34pm
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A handful may assume that
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Altaira
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Sep 23 2012, 3:14pm
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What?!? No Crunchie bar? I feel lied to
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Oiotári
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Sep 23 2012, 9:47pm
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*snort*
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Magpie
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Sep 24 2012, 12:40am
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Antidotes
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Solicitr
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Sep 23 2012, 1:58am
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Do you think it might be safe to say
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Escapist
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Sep 23 2012, 2:05am
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If so
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Ardamírë
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Sep 23 2012, 2:06am
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I don't believe it's safe to say so at all {NT}
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Sep 23 2012, 2:15am
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This is not true at all.
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Kangi Ska
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Sep 23 2012, 3:25am
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No. That's not quite it...
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Otaku-sempai
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Sep 23 2012, 4:17pm
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However
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Solicitr
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Sep 23 2012, 4:44pm
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Perhaps
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Sep 23 2012, 2:18am
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News value?
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macfalk
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Sep 23 2012, 6:56am
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"Tolkien purist/worshipper site"
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Solicitr
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Sep 23 2012, 2:26pm
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Agreed
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Sinister71
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Sep 23 2012, 2:47pm
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No
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macfalk
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Sep 23 2012, 2:53pm
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different mediums but
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Sinister71
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Sep 23 2012, 3:00pm
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Hmm
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macfalk
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Sep 23 2012, 3:27pm
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Gah, the quote function
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macfalk
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Sep 23 2012, 3:30pm
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I find
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Phibbus
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Sep 23 2012, 3:34pm
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Sometimes but not always.
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Escapist
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Sep 23 2012, 3:32pm
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right
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Sinister71
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Sep 23 2012, 3:41pm
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Ch. ch. ch. changes (insert bad song lyric here)
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Elessar
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Sep 23 2012, 4:01pm
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You're attributing intent that is not determinable
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entmaiden
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Sep 23 2012, 5:59pm
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Why change it then
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Sinister71
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Sep 23 2012, 6:26pm
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The main reason to change things in adaptation is to make them suitable to the new medium.
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dalecooper
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Sep 23 2012, 6:41pm
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exactly dalecooper
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triptrap
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Sep 23 2012, 7:03pm
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Never claimed there shouldn't be changes
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Sinister71
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Sep 23 2012, 8:20pm
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Jokes
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Elessar
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Sep 23 2012, 8:32pm
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Like I said to me anyways
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Sinister71
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Sep 23 2012, 8:47pm
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Different stokes for different folks
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Elessar
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Sep 23 2012, 8:53pm
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Hmm
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GothmogTheBalrog
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Sep 23 2012, 9:35pm
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I think its all perception
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Sinister71
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Sep 23 2012, 9:54pm
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I'm not saying
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GothmogTheBalrog
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Sep 23 2012, 9:58pm
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That strawman has been beaten so long and hard
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Solicitr
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Sep 23 2012, 11:43pm
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I'm sure the changes between book and movie
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entmaiden
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Sep 23 2012, 10:25pm
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But it explains motivation IMO
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Sinister71
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Sep 23 2012, 10:36pm
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As far as I recall
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Sep 23 2012, 11:09pm
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with the Hobbit
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Sinister71
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Sep 23 2012, 11:20pm
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I think you are misremembering both
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Sep 23 2012, 11:36pm
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Boys club...
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Sinister71
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Sep 23 2012, 11:53pm
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Ah thought so.
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Sep 23 2012, 11:57pm
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Still means she said something along those lines
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Sinister71
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Sep 24 2012, 12:02am
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There are days when I question the jury system.
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Sep 24 2012, 12:07am
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And if she has not said it we will say that she did anyway! //
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Kangi Ska
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Sep 24 2012, 3:08am
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She did say it
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Phibbus
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Sep 24 2012, 3:20am
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A Boys Own storyis different than a Boys Club.//
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Kangi Ska
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Sep 24 2012, 3:24am
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Boys' Own Story
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JWPlatt
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Sep 24 2012, 3:29am
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Still means to me they had to add
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Sinister71
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Sep 24 2012, 3:36am
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Right
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Sep 24 2012, 3:58am
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Really, Philippa?
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Solicitr
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Sep 24 2012, 4:04am
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Excellent ! //
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geordie
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Sep 24 2012, 8:56am
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Sauron?
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entmaiden
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Sep 24 2012, 2:48pm
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Galadriel also has a lot of "political" power
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kzer_za
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Sep 24 2012, 2:55pm
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Nothing of the sort
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Solicitr
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Sep 24 2012, 3:36pm
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She didn't say Philippa is right.
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macfalk
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Sep 24 2012, 5:03pm
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Explain to me again
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Solicitr
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Sep 24 2012, 5:10pm
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First, there is no "2 + 2 = 5"
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macfalk
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Sep 24 2012, 5:15pm
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Peanut Butter and Jelly
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Solicitr
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Sep 24 2012, 5:31pm
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Ah, personal opinion
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Hanzkaz
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Sep 24 2012, 5:39pm
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Personal opinion <> objectively
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Solicitr
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Sep 24 2012, 5:45pm
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Proof?
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entmaiden
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Sep 24 2012, 6:12pm
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Cite one that didn't
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Solicitr
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Sep 24 2012, 6:23pm
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I was trying to understand
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entmaiden
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Sep 24 2012, 6:28pm
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I'm not trying to start an argument
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Solicitr
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Sep 24 2012, 6:38pm
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Are they all due to Philippa's input?
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entmaiden
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Sep 24 2012, 6:43pm
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Solicitr this is the first really humorous thing you have written.//
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Kangi Ska
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Sep 24 2012, 7:34pm
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You seem to be trying to start an argument
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macfalk
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Sep 24 2012, 7:58pm
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I understand it can be frustrating
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entmaiden
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Sep 24 2012, 8:26pm
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entmaiden
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macfalk
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Sep 24 2012, 8:33pm
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---> It's about time to wind this down (reposting for those using threaded mode)
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Altaira
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Sep 24 2012, 8:56pm
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Opinions
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JWPlatt
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Sep 24 2012, 9:05pm
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Do you have a personal grudge with Philippa Boyens? //
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macfalk
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Sep 24 2012, 5:52pm
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Imagine
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Solicitr
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Sep 24 2012, 6:03pm
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Poor comparison - Boyens isn't mentally disturbed /
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DanielLB
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Sep 24 2012, 6:08pm
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Nor did she physically attack Tolkien's original work
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Arwen's daughter
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Sep 24 2012, 6:12pm
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Too Literal
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JWPlatt
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Sep 24 2012, 6:17pm
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I felt pointing out the lack of physical attack would do enough to imply that the book still exists
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Arwen's daughter
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Sep 24 2012, 6:18pm
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There is however a tendency
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SirDennisC
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Sep 24 2012, 6:21pm
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Really?
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Solicitr
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Sep 24 2012, 6:19pm
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Unjustified.
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DanielLB
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Sep 24 2012, 6:22pm
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well,
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Solicitr
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Sep 24 2012, 6:34pm
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Amateur writers do have a tendency to inflate their skills, and disparages their sources
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Sep 24 2012, 7:03pm
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There are many who would agree with her.
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entmaiden
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Sep 24 2012, 7:12pm
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Let's be careful to define our terms
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Solicitr
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Sep 24 2012, 7:57pm
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I was talking about the book.
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entmaiden
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Sep 24 2012, 8:31pm
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Disagree
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Solicitr
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Sep 24 2012, 8:38pm
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I largely agree with you about Boyens
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Elenorflower
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Sep 24 2012, 10:13pm
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Don't get me started
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Phibbus
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Sep 24 2012, 10:34pm
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I'll Be Lazy
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JWPlatt
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Sep 24 2012, 11:11pm
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Boyens' Resume
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JWPlatt
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Sep 24 2012, 7:20pm
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nuances of meaning
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Escapist
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Sep 24 2012, 7:47pm
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I feel this way
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macfalk
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Sep 24 2012, 8:01pm
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Well, in that comment
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Sep 24 2012, 8:23pm
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opinion you don't like <> delusion
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Arwen's daughter
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Sep 24 2012, 7:32pm
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Delusion
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Solicitr
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Sep 24 2012, 8:03pm
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Boyens -
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Hanzkaz
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Sep 24 2012, 6:36pm
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What She Says
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JWPlatt
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Sep 24 2012, 6:47pm
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But are they 101% happy with what they ultimately produced?
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DanielLB
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Sep 24 2012, 6:49pm
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I see the LOTR films as having been made -
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Hanzkaz
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Sep 24 2012, 7:10pm
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Agreed /
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DanielLB
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Sep 24 2012, 7:12pm
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How?
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Solicitr
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Sep 24 2012, 8:00pm
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It's where people certainly won't agree.
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macfalk
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Sep 24 2012, 8:03pm
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Unwarranted
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Solicitr
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Sep 24 2012, 8:11pm
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Not a valid comparison
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entmaiden
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Sep 24 2012, 6:15pm
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Are you so sure of that?
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Solicitr
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Sep 24 2012, 6:28pm
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I can't speak for other people
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entmaiden
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Sep 24 2012, 6:39pm
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You have destroyed your own argument.
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SirDennisC
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Sep 24 2012, 7:33pm
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By definition
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SirDennisC
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Sep 24 2012, 6:14pm
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There is also evidence that Tolkien was quite capable -
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Hanzkaz
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Sep 24 2012, 6:24pm
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Warning: Rambling post within.
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SirDennisC
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Sep 24 2012, 6:50pm
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I admit I am dubious about some of the comments -
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Hanzkaz
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Sep 24 2012, 5:16pm
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One is a fact, the other, an opinion.
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DanielLB
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Sep 24 2012, 5:19pm
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Oh dear how disappointing and silly.
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Sep 24 2012, 6:54pm
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Not rewriting the story
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entmaiden
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Sep 24 2012, 12:03am
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Distinction without a difference
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Solicitr
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Sep 24 2012, 12:09am
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Preposterous alien character
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Sep 24 2012, 12:11am
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Yup.
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Solicitr
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Sep 24 2012, 12:17am
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Preposterous of me to ask, really. Typical woman eh?
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Sep 24 2012, 12:31am
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In Tolkien's world, you play by his rules
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Solicitr
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Sep 24 2012, 12:34am
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I suspect our versions of that world look rather different.
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Sep 24 2012, 12:44am
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What counts is Tolkien's version of that world
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Solicitr
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Sep 24 2012, 12:53am
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And the fact that a woman of her position needed to stow away says a lot!//
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Escapist
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Sep 24 2012, 12:55am
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Ah, I think you mistake my meaning. What a shame.
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Sep 24 2012, 12:56am
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Yes. Exactly.
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entmaiden
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Sep 24 2012, 12:14am
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We can make some good guesses
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Phibbus
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Sep 24 2012, 12:50am
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Very interesting
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Sep 24 2012, 1:00am
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That was LOTR
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entmaiden
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Sep 24 2012, 1:03am
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Good point, entmaiden
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Altaira
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Sep 24 2012, 4:01am
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True enough
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Phibbus
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Sep 24 2012, 4:16am
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I don't think
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Altaira
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Sep 24 2012, 4:57am
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Fair enough, again
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Phibbus
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Sep 24 2012, 5:22am
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Quite right
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Solicitr
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Sep 24 2012, 5:29am
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Assertions
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JWPlatt
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Sep 24 2012, 6:43am
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Well said. //
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geordie
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Sep 24 2012, 9:05am
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No quibbles
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Altaira
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Sep 24 2012, 3:15pm
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Excellent point, Phibbus
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Solicitr
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Sep 24 2012, 1:45am
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Agreed. //
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geordie
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Sep 24 2012, 8:45am
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So the movie Hobbit and the Book Hobbit are totally differnet entities then?
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Sinister71
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Sep 24 2012, 12:15am
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Yes.
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entmaiden
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Sep 24 2012, 12:20am
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Yes with a priviso
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SirDennisC
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Sep 24 2012, 2:07am
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Thats fine
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Sinister71
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Sep 24 2012, 2:24am
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So you objected to the changes in Boromir's movie character?
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entmaiden
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Sep 24 2012, 2:30am
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Changes
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Elessar
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Sep 24 2012, 2:40am
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As I said
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Sinister71
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Sep 24 2012, 2:45am
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Minor
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Elessar
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Sep 24 2012, 2:56am
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Faramir's words
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geordie
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Sep 24 2012, 8:52am
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Great man
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Elessar
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Sep 24 2012, 1:03pm
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Actually
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Solicitr
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Sep 24 2012, 1:36pm
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He does say some of those lines in RotK EE to Denethor //
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kzer_za
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Sep 24 2012, 1:12pm
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Indeed
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Elessar
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Sep 24 2012, 1:14pm
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I think you might be getting stuck
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Altaira
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Sep 24 2012, 2:41am
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Not at all... I have no problem with female characters, but it was implied her addition was because Tolkien made it a boys club
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Sinister71
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Sep 24 2012, 2:51am
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Then you're still missing the main point
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Altaira
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Sep 24 2012, 4:23am
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An excellent point Altaira -
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SirDennisC
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Sep 24 2012, 2:58am
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True.
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Silverlode
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Sep 24 2012, 6:23am
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"about" <> "commanding military units"
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Solicitr
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Sep 24 2012, 1:01pm
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Since you don't have an answer
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macfalk
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Sep 24 2012, 1:19pm
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In other words, "improving" poor old Tolkien's inadequate story
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Solicitr
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Sep 24 2012, 1:52pm
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I am worried
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Elenorflower
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Sep 24 2012, 2:37pm
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I thought the character of Tauriel might have been inspired by -
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Hanzkaz
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Sep 24 2012, 5:01pm
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Urgh.
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Solicitr
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Sep 24 2012, 5:06pm
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You assume so much about the elvish society under Thranduil.
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Escapist
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Sep 24 2012, 7:17pm
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Agreed
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Sep 24 2012, 7:26pm
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Say rather
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Solicitr
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Sep 24 2012, 7:48pm
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Wasn't there something
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Escapist
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Sep 24 2012, 8:12pm
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I don't recall anything of the sort
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Solicitr
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Sep 24 2012, 8:22pm
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Remembered because exceptional
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Solicitr
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Sep 24 2012, 7:42pm
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But it doesn't follow
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Solicitr
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Sep 24 2012, 8:29pm
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In short... Yes, they are //
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geordie
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Sep 24 2012, 8:41am
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Gag me
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Solicitr
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Sep 24 2012, 12:04am
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Gag you?
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Kangi Ska
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Sep 24 2012, 3:21am
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Keep an eye out
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Solicitr
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Sep 24 2012, 4:00am
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And if you are a Tolkien scholar
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macfalk
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Sep 24 2012, 8:01am
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How will I be able to recognise your work?
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Kangi Ska
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Sep 24 2012, 8:03pm
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I think
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Phibbus
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Sep 24 2012, 12:01am
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*hands sinister a paper bag to breath into*
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Altaira
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Sep 23 2012, 11:41pm
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I wasn't bashing
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Sinister71
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Sep 24 2012, 12:00am
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It's not your opinion that's the problem
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Altaira
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Sep 24 2012, 1:03am
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Condescending Attitudes
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JWPlatt
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Sep 24 2012, 12:34am
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You seem to have gotten stuck on a misunderstanding, JW.
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Silverlode
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Sep 24 2012, 1:38am
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Good Explanation
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JWPlatt
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Sep 24 2012, 2:00am
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Weekly threads
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Silverlode
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Sep 24 2012, 4:28am
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Interesting
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JWPlatt
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Sep 24 2012, 4:59am
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Newsworthiness
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Escapist
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Sep 23 2012, 10:50pm
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Just IMO
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Sep 23 2012, 11:04pm
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I can understand that there is something special
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Escapist
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Sep 24 2012, 12:42am
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And by the way,
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Escapist
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Sep 24 2012, 12:50am
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Just a thought
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Ring-Bearer
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Sep 23 2012, 2:25am
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Agreed.
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FaramirAndEowynMorningStar
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Sep 23 2012, 5:56pm
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Also agreed
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Ring-Bearer
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Sep 23 2012, 6:03pm
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Wow....
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Sunflower
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Sep 23 2012, 4:16am
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think what you like
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triptrap
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Sep 23 2012, 12:19pm
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LOL Shelob's appetite - I had noticed that as well.
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Noria
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Sep 23 2012, 12:43pm
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---> It's about time to wind this down
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Altaira
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Sep 24 2012, 8:53pm
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