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JWPlatt
Grey Havens
Sep 22 2012, 11:49pm
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I thought this was a new thread sourced from someone in the Propaganda Department of Warner Brothers until I noticed the OP's name and thought for sure it was, instead, satire. Instead, I found farce. Nothing helps credibility like praise from a critic.
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User
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Reactions to the trailer overwhelmingly positive on historically-critical Tolkien site
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Sep 22 2012, 11:31pm
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I think it will be OK
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titanium_hobbit
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Sep 22 2012, 11:40pm
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nah!
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Elenorflower
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Sep 22 2012, 11:41pm
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Probably wise
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Sep 22 2012, 11:45pm
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because the trailer was amazing
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lurtz2010
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Sep 22 2012, 11:49pm
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I have to wonder
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Sep 22 2012, 11:49pm
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L-Like In Trailer Dialogue
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JWPlatt
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Sep 22 2012, 11:56pm
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Yup
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Sep 23 2012, 12:03am
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Not The Pause
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JWPlatt
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Sep 23 2012, 12:12am
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I noticed when I was editing
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cameragod
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Sep 23 2012, 1:49am
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I thought it must've been as soon as I heard it
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lurtz2010
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Sep 22 2012, 11:56pm
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I think so
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Elenorflower
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Sep 23 2012, 12:09am
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weird speech
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Lusitano
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Sep 23 2012, 12:27am
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Some of it was probably recorded for that, or...
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dalecooper
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Sep 23 2012, 1:38am
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Spot on, dalecooper
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Altaira
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Sep 23 2012, 5:10am
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I agree about computer screen vs theater screen and will go farther to say....
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Magpie
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Sep 23 2012, 5:13am
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I never caught the first trailer in 3-D
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Altaira
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Sep 23 2012, 5:56am
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I think what I should do for three months...
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Magpie
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Sep 23 2012, 5:13pm
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I don't know about that Goblin King moment though!
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wendy woo
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Sep 23 2012, 6:54am
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I was actually
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Elenorflower
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Sep 23 2012, 3:23pm
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I agree the first trailer gave me goosebumps
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Sinister71
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Sep 23 2012, 3:26pm
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Hehe
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Phibbus
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Sep 23 2012, 3:27pm
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oh dear
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Elenorflower
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Sep 23 2012, 8:57pm
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while I think that some of the
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Elenorflower
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Sep 23 2012, 9:32pm
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I agree whole heartedly
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Sinister71
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Sep 23 2012, 9:44pm
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Yup.
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Solicitr
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Sep 23 2012, 11:47pm
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Oddly enough, I agree
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DarkJackal
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Sep 23 2012, 12:58am
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Seems to be doing ok on YouTube
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Sep 22 2012, 11:49pm
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Propaganda
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JWPlatt
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Sep 22 2012, 11:49pm
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Reactions to the trailer (both good and bad) on this site will be amplified tenfold.
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Maiarmike
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Sep 23 2012, 12:03am
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But TORN is full of hardcore Tolkien fans
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Sep 23 2012, 12:05am
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That should read TORC
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Sep 23 2012, 12:25am
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The reactions are overwhelmingly positive, because the trailer is overwhelmingly awesome :)
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Gorbag
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Sep 23 2012, 12:14am
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I'm with you
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Elessar
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Sep 23 2012, 1:17am
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Some unique things about TORn that I have noticed.
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Escapist
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Sep 23 2012, 12:37am
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Yes, TORners often assume
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Faenoriel
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Sep 23 2012, 10:14am
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And the awards
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macfalk
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Sep 23 2012, 11:04am
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Aha ha! Though to be fair
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Faenoriel
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Sep 23 2012, 11:15am
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Mac..I'm ROTFLMAO///
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Bombadil
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Sep 23 2012, 11:23am
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Not this old "billions and billions served" argument again
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Solicitr
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Sep 23 2012, 4:56pm
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I think for most people
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Sep 23 2012, 5:10pm
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Hm/
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Solicitr
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Sep 23 2012, 5:58pm
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I don't understand I'm afraid.
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Sep 23 2012, 6:09pm
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Exactly
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macfalk
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Sep 23 2012, 6:15pm
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Ugh
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Elessar
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Sep 23 2012, 5:38pm
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The dreaded NARF
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entmaiden
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Sep 23 2012, 5:53pm
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I wonder how
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macfalk
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Sep 23 2012, 6:01pm
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That's great
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Elessar
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Sep 23 2012, 6:08pm
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I find myself in this category.
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Owain
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Sep 23 2012, 10:03pm
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true
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Sinister71
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Sep 23 2012, 10:09pm
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I dont think
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Elenorflower
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Sep 23 2012, 10:38pm
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It is an enviable category to belong to
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Sep 23 2012, 10:09pm
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Here's to a very enjoyable experiencing...
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Owain
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Sep 23 2012, 10:12pm
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Me 2
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Elessar
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Sep 23 2012, 10:50pm
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Indeed! There is so much to enjoy.
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Owain
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Sep 24 2012, 12:47am
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Impact
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Elessar
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Sep 24 2012, 12:50am
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I guess...
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Magpie
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Sep 23 2012, 5:53pm
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Not A Real Fan, mate
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macfalk
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Sep 23 2012, 5:56pm
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I gues so. Lol
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Elessar
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Sep 23 2012, 6:09pm
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My guess still stands: the majority of the fans were pleased
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macfalk
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Sep 23 2012, 6:05pm
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Not this old: 'people who liked the movies aren't 'actual fans'' argument again
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Altaira
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Sep 23 2012, 9:34pm
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A handful may assume that
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Altaira
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Sep 23 2012, 3:14pm
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What?!? No Crunchie bar? I feel lied to
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Oiotári
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Sep 23 2012, 9:47pm
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*snort*
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Magpie
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Sep 24 2012, 12:40am
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Antidotes
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Solicitr
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Sep 23 2012, 1:58am
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Do you think it might be safe to say
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Escapist
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Sep 23 2012, 2:05am
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If so
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Ardamírë
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Sep 23 2012, 2:06am
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I don't believe it's safe to say so at all {NT}
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Sep 23 2012, 2:15am
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This is not true at all.
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Kangi Ska
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Sep 23 2012, 3:25am
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No. That's not quite it...
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Otaku-sempai
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Sep 23 2012, 4:17pm
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However
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Solicitr
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Sep 23 2012, 4:44pm
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Perhaps
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Sep 23 2012, 2:18am
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News value?
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macfalk
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Sep 23 2012, 6:56am
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"Tolkien purist/worshipper site"
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Solicitr
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Sep 23 2012, 2:26pm
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Agreed
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Sinister71
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Sep 23 2012, 2:47pm
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No
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macfalk
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Sep 23 2012, 2:53pm
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different mediums but
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Sinister71
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Sep 23 2012, 3:00pm
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Hmm
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macfalk
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Sep 23 2012, 3:27pm
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Gah, the quote function
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macfalk
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Sep 23 2012, 3:30pm
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I find
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Phibbus
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Sep 23 2012, 3:34pm
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Sometimes but not always.
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Escapist
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Sep 23 2012, 3:32pm
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right
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Sinister71
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Sep 23 2012, 3:41pm
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Ch. ch. ch. changes (insert bad song lyric here)
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Elessar
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Sep 23 2012, 4:01pm
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You're attributing intent that is not determinable
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entmaiden
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Sep 23 2012, 5:59pm
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Why change it then
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Sinister71
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Sep 23 2012, 6:26pm
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The main reason to change things in adaptation is to make them suitable to the new medium.
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dalecooper
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Sep 23 2012, 6:41pm
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exactly dalecooper
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triptrap
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Sep 23 2012, 7:03pm
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Never claimed there shouldn't be changes
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Sinister71
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Sep 23 2012, 8:20pm
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Jokes
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Elessar
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Sep 23 2012, 8:32pm
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Like I said to me anyways
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Sinister71
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Sep 23 2012, 8:47pm
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Different stokes for different folks
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Elessar
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Sep 23 2012, 8:53pm
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Hmm
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GothmogTheBalrog
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Sep 23 2012, 9:35pm
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I think its all perception
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Sinister71
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Sep 23 2012, 9:54pm
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I'm not saying
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GothmogTheBalrog
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Sep 23 2012, 9:58pm
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That strawman has been beaten so long and hard
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Solicitr
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Sep 23 2012, 11:43pm
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I'm sure the changes between book and movie
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entmaiden
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Sep 23 2012, 10:25pm
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But it explains motivation IMO
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Sinister71
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Sep 23 2012, 10:36pm
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As far as I recall
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Sep 23 2012, 11:09pm
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with the Hobbit
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Sinister71
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Sep 23 2012, 11:20pm
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I think you are misremembering both
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Sep 23 2012, 11:36pm
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Boys club...
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Sinister71
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Sep 23 2012, 11:53pm
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Ah thought so.
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Sep 23 2012, 11:57pm
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Still means she said something along those lines
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Sinister71
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Sep 24 2012, 12:02am
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There are days when I question the jury system.
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Sep 24 2012, 12:07am
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And if she has not said it we will say that she did anyway! //
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Kangi Ska
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Sep 24 2012, 3:08am
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She did say it
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Phibbus
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Sep 24 2012, 3:20am
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A Boys Own storyis different than a Boys Club.//
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Kangi Ska
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Sep 24 2012, 3:24am
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Boys' Own Story
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JWPlatt
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Sep 24 2012, 3:29am
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Still means to me they had to add
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Sinister71
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Sep 24 2012, 3:36am
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Right
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Sep 24 2012, 3:58am
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Really, Philippa?
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Solicitr
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Sep 24 2012, 4:04am
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Excellent ! //
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geordie
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Sep 24 2012, 8:56am
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Sauron?
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entmaiden
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Sep 24 2012, 2:48pm
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Galadriel also has a lot of "political" power
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kzer_za
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Sep 24 2012, 2:55pm
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Nothing of the sort
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Solicitr
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Sep 24 2012, 3:36pm
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She didn't say Philippa is right.
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macfalk
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Sep 24 2012, 5:03pm
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Explain to me again
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Solicitr
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Sep 24 2012, 5:10pm
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First, there is no "2 + 2 = 5"
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macfalk
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Sep 24 2012, 5:15pm
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Peanut Butter and Jelly
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Solicitr
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Sep 24 2012, 5:31pm
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Ah, personal opinion
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Hanzkaz
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Sep 24 2012, 5:39pm
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Personal opinion <> objectively
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Solicitr
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Sep 24 2012, 5:45pm
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Proof?
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entmaiden
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Sep 24 2012, 6:12pm
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Cite one that didn't
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Solicitr
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Sep 24 2012, 6:23pm
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I was trying to understand
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entmaiden
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Sep 24 2012, 6:28pm
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I'm not trying to start an argument
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Solicitr
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Sep 24 2012, 6:38pm
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Are they all due to Philippa's input?
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entmaiden
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Sep 24 2012, 6:43pm
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Solicitr this is the first really humorous thing you have written.//
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Kangi Ska
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Sep 24 2012, 7:34pm
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You seem to be trying to start an argument
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macfalk
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Sep 24 2012, 7:58pm
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I understand it can be frustrating
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entmaiden
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Sep 24 2012, 8:26pm
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entmaiden
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macfalk
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Sep 24 2012, 8:33pm
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---> It's about time to wind this down (reposting for those using threaded mode)
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Altaira
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Sep 24 2012, 8:56pm
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Opinions
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JWPlatt
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Sep 24 2012, 9:05pm
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Do you have a personal grudge with Philippa Boyens? //
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macfalk
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Sep 24 2012, 5:52pm
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Imagine
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Solicitr
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Sep 24 2012, 6:03pm
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Poor comparison - Boyens isn't mentally disturbed /
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DanielLB
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Sep 24 2012, 6:08pm
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Nor did she physically attack Tolkien's original work
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Arwen's daughter
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Sep 24 2012, 6:12pm
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Too Literal
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JWPlatt
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Sep 24 2012, 6:17pm
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I felt pointing out the lack of physical attack would do enough to imply that the book still exists
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Arwen's daughter
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Sep 24 2012, 6:18pm
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There is however a tendency
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SirDennisC
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Sep 24 2012, 6:21pm
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Really?
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Solicitr
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Sep 24 2012, 6:19pm
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Unjustified.
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DanielLB
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Sep 24 2012, 6:22pm
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well,
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Solicitr
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Sep 24 2012, 6:34pm
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Amateur writers do have a tendency to inflate their skills, and disparages their sources
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Sep 24 2012, 7:03pm
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There are many who would agree with her.
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entmaiden
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Sep 24 2012, 7:12pm
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Let's be careful to define our terms
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Solicitr
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Sep 24 2012, 7:57pm
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I was talking about the book.
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entmaiden
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Sep 24 2012, 8:31pm
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Disagree
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Solicitr
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Sep 24 2012, 8:38pm
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I largely agree with you about Boyens
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Elenorflower
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Sep 24 2012, 10:13pm
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Don't get me started
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Phibbus
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Sep 24 2012, 10:34pm
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I'll Be Lazy
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JWPlatt
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Sep 24 2012, 11:11pm
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Boyens' Resume
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JWPlatt
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Sep 24 2012, 7:20pm
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nuances of meaning
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Escapist
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Sep 24 2012, 7:47pm
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I feel this way
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macfalk
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Sep 24 2012, 8:01pm
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Well, in that comment
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Sep 24 2012, 8:23pm
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opinion you don't like <> delusion
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Arwen's daughter
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Sep 24 2012, 7:32pm
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Delusion
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Solicitr
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Sep 24 2012, 8:03pm
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Boyens -
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Hanzkaz
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Sep 24 2012, 6:36pm
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What She Says
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JWPlatt
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Sep 24 2012, 6:47pm
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But are they 101% happy with what they ultimately produced?
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DanielLB
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Sep 24 2012, 6:49pm
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I see the LOTR films as having been made -
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Hanzkaz
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Sep 24 2012, 7:10pm
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Agreed /
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DanielLB
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Sep 24 2012, 7:12pm
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How?
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Solicitr
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Sep 24 2012, 8:00pm
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It's where people certainly won't agree.
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macfalk
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Sep 24 2012, 8:03pm
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Unwarranted
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Solicitr
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Sep 24 2012, 8:11pm
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Not a valid comparison
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entmaiden
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Sep 24 2012, 6:15pm
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Are you so sure of that?
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Solicitr
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Sep 24 2012, 6:28pm
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I can't speak for other people
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entmaiden
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Sep 24 2012, 6:39pm
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You have destroyed your own argument.
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SirDennisC
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Sep 24 2012, 7:33pm
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By definition
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SirDennisC
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Sep 24 2012, 6:14pm
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There is also evidence that Tolkien was quite capable -
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Hanzkaz
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Sep 24 2012, 6:24pm
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Warning: Rambling post within.
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SirDennisC
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Sep 24 2012, 6:50pm
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I admit I am dubious about some of the comments -
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Hanzkaz
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Sep 24 2012, 5:16pm
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One is a fact, the other, an opinion.
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DanielLB
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Sep 24 2012, 5:19pm
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Oh dear how disappointing and silly.
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Sep 24 2012, 6:54pm
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Not rewriting the story
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entmaiden
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Sep 24 2012, 12:03am
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Distinction without a difference
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Solicitr
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Sep 24 2012, 12:09am
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Preposterous alien character
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Sep 24 2012, 12:11am
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Yup.
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Solicitr
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Sep 24 2012, 12:17am
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Preposterous of me to ask, really. Typical woman eh?
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Sep 24 2012, 12:31am
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In Tolkien's world, you play by his rules
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Solicitr
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Sep 24 2012, 12:34am
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I suspect our versions of that world look rather different.
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Sep 24 2012, 12:44am
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What counts is Tolkien's version of that world
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Solicitr
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Sep 24 2012, 12:53am
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And the fact that a woman of her position needed to stow away says a lot!//
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Escapist
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Sep 24 2012, 12:55am
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Ah, I think you mistake my meaning. What a shame.
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Sep 24 2012, 12:56am
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Yes. Exactly.
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entmaiden
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Sep 24 2012, 12:14am
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We can make some good guesses
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Phibbus
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Sep 24 2012, 12:50am
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Very interesting
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Sep 24 2012, 1:00am
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That was LOTR
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entmaiden
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Sep 24 2012, 1:03am
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Good point, entmaiden
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Altaira
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Sep 24 2012, 4:01am
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True enough
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Phibbus
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Sep 24 2012, 4:16am
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I don't think
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Altaira
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Sep 24 2012, 4:57am
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Fair enough, again
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Phibbus
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Sep 24 2012, 5:22am
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Quite right
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Solicitr
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Sep 24 2012, 5:29am
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Assertions
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JWPlatt
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Sep 24 2012, 6:43am
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Well said. //
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geordie
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Sep 24 2012, 9:05am
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No quibbles
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Altaira
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Sep 24 2012, 3:15pm
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Excellent point, Phibbus
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Solicitr
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Sep 24 2012, 1:45am
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Agreed. //
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geordie
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Sep 24 2012, 8:45am
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So the movie Hobbit and the Book Hobbit are totally differnet entities then?
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Sinister71
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Sep 24 2012, 12:15am
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Yes.
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entmaiden
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Sep 24 2012, 12:20am
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Yes with a priviso
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SirDennisC
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Sep 24 2012, 2:07am
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Thats fine
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Sinister71
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Sep 24 2012, 2:24am
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So you objected to the changes in Boromir's movie character?
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entmaiden
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Sep 24 2012, 2:30am
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Changes
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Elessar
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Sep 24 2012, 2:40am
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As I said
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Sinister71
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Sep 24 2012, 2:45am
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Minor
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Elessar
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Sep 24 2012, 2:56am
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Faramir's words
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geordie
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Sep 24 2012, 8:52am
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Great man
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Elessar
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Sep 24 2012, 1:03pm
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Actually
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Solicitr
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Sep 24 2012, 1:36pm
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He does say some of those lines in RotK EE to Denethor //
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kzer_za
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Sep 24 2012, 1:12pm
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Indeed
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Elessar
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Sep 24 2012, 1:14pm
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I think you might be getting stuck
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Altaira
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Sep 24 2012, 2:41am
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Not at all... I have no problem with female characters, but it was implied her addition was because Tolkien made it a boys club
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Sinister71
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Sep 24 2012, 2:51am
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Then you're still missing the main point
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Altaira
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Sep 24 2012, 4:23am
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An excellent point Altaira -
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SirDennisC
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Sep 24 2012, 2:58am
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True.
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Silverlode
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Sep 24 2012, 6:23am
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"about" <> "commanding military units"
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Solicitr
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Sep 24 2012, 1:01pm
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Since you don't have an answer
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macfalk
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Sep 24 2012, 1:19pm
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In other words, "improving" poor old Tolkien's inadequate story
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Solicitr
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Sep 24 2012, 1:52pm
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I am worried
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Elenorflower
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Sep 24 2012, 2:37pm
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I thought the character of Tauriel might have been inspired by -
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Hanzkaz
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Sep 24 2012, 5:01pm
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Urgh.
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Solicitr
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Sep 24 2012, 5:06pm
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You assume so much about the elvish society under Thranduil.
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Escapist
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Sep 24 2012, 7:17pm
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Agreed
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Sep 24 2012, 7:26pm
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Say rather
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Solicitr
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Sep 24 2012, 7:48pm
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Wasn't there something
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Escapist
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Sep 24 2012, 8:12pm
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I don't recall anything of the sort
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Solicitr
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Sep 24 2012, 8:22pm
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Remembered because exceptional
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Solicitr
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Sep 24 2012, 7:42pm
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But it doesn't follow
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Solicitr
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Sep 24 2012, 8:29pm
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In short... Yes, they are //
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geordie
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Sep 24 2012, 8:41am
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Gag me
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Solicitr
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Sep 24 2012, 12:04am
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Gag you?
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Kangi Ska
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Sep 24 2012, 3:21am
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Keep an eye out
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Solicitr
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Sep 24 2012, 4:00am
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And if you are a Tolkien scholar
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macfalk
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Sep 24 2012, 8:01am
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How will I be able to recognise your work?
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Kangi Ska
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Sep 24 2012, 8:03pm
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I think
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Phibbus
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Sep 24 2012, 12:01am
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*hands sinister a paper bag to breath into*
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Altaira
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Sep 23 2012, 11:41pm
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I wasn't bashing
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Sinister71
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Sep 24 2012, 12:00am
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It's not your opinion that's the problem
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Altaira
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Sep 24 2012, 1:03am
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Condescending Attitudes
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JWPlatt
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Sep 24 2012, 12:34am
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You seem to have gotten stuck on a misunderstanding, JW.
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Silverlode
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Sep 24 2012, 1:38am
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Good Explanation
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JWPlatt
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Sep 24 2012, 2:00am
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Weekly threads
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Silverlode
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Sep 24 2012, 4:28am
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Interesting
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JWPlatt
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Sep 24 2012, 4:59am
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Newsworthiness
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Escapist
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Sep 23 2012, 10:50pm
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Just IMO
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Sep 23 2012, 11:04pm
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I can understand that there is something special
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Escapist
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Sep 24 2012, 12:42am
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And by the way,
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Escapist
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Sep 24 2012, 12:50am
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Just a thought
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Ring-Bearer
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Sep 23 2012, 2:25am
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Agreed.
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FaramirAndEowynMorningStar
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Sep 23 2012, 5:56pm
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Also agreed
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Ring-Bearer
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Sep 23 2012, 6:03pm
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Wow....
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Sunflower
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Sep 23 2012, 4:16am
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think what you like
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triptrap
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Sep 23 2012, 12:19pm
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LOL Shelob's appetite - I had noticed that as well.
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Noria
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Sep 23 2012, 12:43pm
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---> It's about time to wind this down
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Altaira
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Sep 24 2012, 8:53pm
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