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I loved it, too

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Sep 20 2012, 5:21pm


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For the first half or so of the trailer, you are in the shire, with its trimmed hedges. The dwarves come along with a completely-different-from-hobbit rambunctiousness that really catches the mood of both the book and what I would like to see. The head-butt is a wonderful addition. Not mentioned in the book, but just the kind of thing that would make Bilbo wonder, "why would anyone headbutt another person?" and stand there in stunned silence at the subjective stupidity of the act. Because the hobbit has plenty of little touches like that where a sensible hobbit just would not condone certain activities, I think it is spot-on.

The dwarves are in a way more varied than humanity because they have the added benefit of inhuman, but still dwarvish (in my mind), characteristics. One is hard of hearing, one is hard of, well, thinking. You have the old fatherly sort, the young idealistic, ... I really like how the dwarves are not cookie cutter images. This is actually also a welcome deviation from the book. Using just the book, tell me the difference between Ori and Nori. Now I see it. I don't know if they will make Dori the strongest (he doesn't look strongest to me), but there are now so many visual cues, as well as manners of speaking, that distinguish these dwarves from one another. I would have liked some longer beards (at least I think I would have), but over all, I am quite pleased. I particularly like Balin. We also get nothing like the tone of his in the book (though he is from the narrator's perspective, which is Bilbo many years later I think, one of those who looks most kindly on hobbit).

I liked Rivendell just fine. The harps in the back give the feel of a tra-la-lilly without actually having to listen to it. The narrator mentioned that the elves actually seem foolish to some. I don't want to see the elves act in a manner that would seem foolish to some. I don't think it will translate well to the screen. I believe the tone of Elrond is such that there is no great concern for this. The way Elrond and Thorin speak to one another is spot-on what I pictured, with a bit of impatience and lack of trust throughout.

Then we get to goblin town, with the wonderful touches placing bones here and there and making it look like a cave, but as dirty a cave as you might expect. Having done a little spelunking in my day, I really liked the way they made the cave feels like it is underground, but had more character than the usual cavern. Not to say I don't think plain old caves are anything other than awe-inspiring, but it will not translate to the screen. You need to bones laying around and the old-looking platforms to really get it right.

The landscapes, well, we all know about those. Stunning.

The trolls are a little meh, but they had to look like the Cave Trolls of LOTR trilogy. I pictured them as more human-looking when reading the book; so I think it is just a matter of taste. They move quite well. The camp, the little I could see by still-framing the HD version of the trailer, looks nice and littered, like I would expect. On the plus side, the dwarves charging out to rescue Bilbo (together) feels more satisfying than them stumbling into the troll camp two at a time to be conveniently stuffed into sacks. There was a hint in the book about a couple of dwarves making an "impression" on the trolls in the form of painful, but not life-threatening wounds. However, over-all the dwarves seemed to act kind of stupid. I am glad to see hints of them going down with more purpose and a bit more of a fight.

The animals are amazing. On still-frame, I defy anyone to point out how the hedgehog or hare looks any different than a real hedgehog or hare. The only way to tell that there is CGI there is to realize that hedgehogs cannot be trained to do what that hedgehog does (and hares don't pull sleds). If that kind of CGI doesn't impress, you probably don't like things in real life that are unbelievable, like moon walks (hoax!) and such. Flawlessly rendered.

I adore the elves, Galadriel and Elrond. It is amazing to me the power they exude without any special effects. I think Sir Ian is showing his age a bit because he had the same power in the first film, but is somewhat diminished in this one. He is still awesome, though.

Nice touch having Bifur awake and playing with a toy when the goblins ambush the party. I thought it was kind of cute.

Were those stone giants a GDT design?

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The 'unofficial' NOT disappointed thread architecthis Send a private message to architecthis Sep 20 2012, 3:55pm
    Something does seem to be strange! Escapist Send a private message to Escapist Sep 20 2012, 4:06pm
        I think the thing is... RosieLass Send a private message to RosieLass Sep 20 2012, 4:11pm
            I can't speak for everyone... easterlingchief1 Send a private message to easterlingchief1 Sep 20 2012, 6:59pm
        All comments are welcome architecthis Send a private message to architecthis Sep 20 2012, 4:11pm
        Very good point dernwyn Send a private message to dernwyn Sep 20 2012, 4:20pm
            And I changed Altaira Send a private message to Altaira Sep 20 2012, 4:36pm
                Ah... sador Send a private message to sador Sep 20 2012, 5:01pm
                    Ha! Sador... SirDennisC Send a private message to SirDennisC Sep 20 2012, 6:10pm
    Displeasure JWPlatt Sep 20 2012, 4:13pm
        touche architecthis Send a private message to architecthis Sep 20 2012, 4:18pm
            Reference JWPlatt Sep 20 2012, 4:49pm
                despite the original thread title architecthis Send a private message to architecthis Sep 21 2012, 11:16am
    Yeah no kidding WhiskFishercat Send a private message to WhiskFishercat Sep 20 2012, 4:26pm
        You don't see talking jesus lions? SirDennisC Send a private message to SirDennisC Sep 20 2012, 4:41pm
            I love that shot too WhiskFishercat Send a private message to WhiskFishercat Sep 20 2012, 4:52pm
            Love that shot imin Send a private message to imin Sep 20 2012, 4:54pm
            That image is gorgeous Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Sep 20 2012, 5:02pm
        I loved it, too totoro Send a private message to totoro Sep 20 2012, 5:21pm
            The Elves Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Sep 20 2012, 5:45pm
            Refuse to comment further SirDennisC Send a private message to SirDennisC Sep 20 2012, 5:56pm
        Has me scratching my head too... Snaga Send a private message to Snaga Sep 20 2012, 8:33pm
        I think a lot of it has to do with the hyper-smooth, silky look Shelob'sAppetite Send a private message to Shelob'sAppetite Sep 20 2012, 9:58pm
            I understand architecthis Send a private message to architecthis Sep 21 2012, 11:21am
    This thread really needed? imin Send a private message to imin Sep 20 2012, 4:41pm
        maybe not architecthis Send a private message to architecthis Sep 20 2012, 4:44pm
            Ah ok, fair enough imin Send a private message to imin Sep 20 2012, 4:50pm
            A positive outlook is great. Macfeast Send a private message to Macfeast Sep 20 2012, 5:21pm
                your costume WhiskFishercat Send a private message to WhiskFishercat Sep 20 2012, 5:31pm
                    my costume totoro Send a private message to totoro Sep 20 2012, 5:38pm
                    Thorin, actually! Macfeast Send a private message to Macfeast Sep 20 2012, 5:43pm
        I don't think Altaira Send a private message to Altaira Sep 20 2012, 4:51pm
    Thank you for this thread!! adnan Send a private message to adnan Sep 20 2012, 4:52pm
        Count me positive too... dormouse Send a private message to dormouse Sep 20 2012, 5:02pm
        Yes thank you!! droidsocket Send a private message to droidsocket Sep 20 2012, 6:27pm
            But isn't nerd rage over nerd rage still nerd rage? SirDennisC Send a private message to SirDennisC Sep 20 2012, 6:36pm
                I appreciate the quote, Sir D, but we must give that one to DK's scriptwriter... Tim Send a private message to Tim Sep 20 2012, 6:57pm
                    I think it is OK to be negative about the hedgehog totoro Send a private message to totoro Sep 20 2012, 7:00pm
                        They're Middle-earth hedgehogs! DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Sep 20 2012, 7:01pm
                            Middle Earth hedgehogs, you say? easterlingchief1 Send a private message to easterlingchief1 Sep 20 2012, 8:27pm
            and I am driving my fiance crazy haha architecthis Send a private message to architecthis Sep 21 2012, 11:29am
    Love what we've seen of the trolls! Carne Send a private message to Carne Sep 20 2012, 4:57pm
    Someone raised the issue of "friendly Gollum." SirDennisC Send a private message to SirDennisC Sep 20 2012, 5:37pm
        polite gollum totoro Send a private message to totoro Sep 20 2012, 5:47pm
            Polite and Happy are 2 different things Sinister71 Send a private message to Sinister71 Sep 21 2012, 3:16am
                This is kind of how I feel Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Sep 21 2012, 3:30am
            Uh-oh. stormcrow20 Send a private message to stormcrow20 Sep 21 2012, 7:33am
        He should still be creepy though, no? Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Sep 20 2012, 5:48pm
            Not the whole picture (spoiler) SirDennisC Send a private message to SirDennisC Sep 20 2012, 6:05pm
                Familiarity with Gollum Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Sep 20 2012, 6:34pm
            Also - hamlet Send a private message to hamlet Sep 20 2012, 7:05pm
                Oh yes indeed Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Sep 20 2012, 7:13pm
                    Never mind about that I want to know why Lacrimae Rerum Send a private message to Lacrimae Rerum Sep 20 2012, 7:30pm
                        Stop it with the being funny. Tim Send a private message to Tim Sep 20 2012, 7:34pm
                        I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic toward me Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Sep 20 2012, 7:39pm
                            Just a general chuckle, I assure you. Lacrimae Rerum Send a private message to Lacrimae Rerum Sep 20 2012, 7:42pm
                            Just imagine the mood swings in store SirDennisC Send a private message to SirDennisC Sep 20 2012, 7:44pm
                                I'm not looking forward to the mood swings Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Sep 20 2012, 8:09pm
                                Well just as in the text Lacrimae Rerum Send a private message to Lacrimae Rerum Sep 20 2012, 8:39pm
        Yes, we're dealing with a different Gollum here Snaga Send a private message to Snaga Sep 20 2012, 8:47pm
        disagreehttp://newboards.theonering.net/ Sinister71 Send a private message to Sinister71 Sep 21 2012, 3:07am
            *snicker* Altaira Send a private message to Altaira Sep 21 2012, 3:18am
                Just his presence is a tie in Sinister71 Send a private message to Sinister71 Sep 21 2012, 3:25am
                    True Altaira Send a private message to Altaira Sep 21 2012, 4:44am
                        It can be done in the dark Shelob'sAppetite Send a private message to Shelob'sAppetite Sep 21 2012, 4:56am
                            Darkness JWPlatt Sep 21 2012, 5:07am
                        To my knowledge duats Send a private message to duats Sep 21 2012, 5:44am
                            Very well said Shelob'sAppetite Send a private message to Shelob'sAppetite Sep 21 2012, 6:16am
                                I completely disagree totoro Send a private message to totoro Sep 21 2012, 6:20am
                                    Never said he wasn't pitiful Shelob'sAppetite Send a private message to Shelob'sAppetite Sep 21 2012, 6:21am
                                        I'm simply saying I am not disappointed totoro Send a private message to totoro Sep 21 2012, 6:52am
                                    I'm a little lost. here - geordie Send a private message to geordie Sep 21 2012, 9:37am
                                    but there is also never any feeling of dread Sinister71 Send a private message to Sinister71 Sep 21 2012, 8:53pm
                                        Hmmm SirDennisC Send a private message to SirDennisC Sep 22 2012, 2:00am
                                            I just watched the Gollum scene again totoro Send a private message to totoro Sep 22 2012, 6:26am
            Takes JWPlatt Sep 21 2012, 3:22am
    Richness and depth Sunflower Send a private message to Sunflower Sep 20 2012, 5:43pm
        Right on! Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Sep 20 2012, 5:52pm
        Agreed! architecthis Send a private message to architecthis Sep 21 2012, 11:35am
        I'm with you, Sunflower! Kristin Thompson Send a private message to Kristin Thompson Oct 11 2012, 2:33am
    All is Hobbit and nothing hurts! Faenoriel Send a private message to Faenoriel Sep 20 2012, 5:59pm
    Yay for being positive! DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Sep 20 2012, 6:28pm
        Not the wrath of Daniel! Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Sep 20 2012, 6:35pm
            There are exceptions Ardamírë! DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Sep 20 2012, 6:40pm
                You really ought to tell everyone Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Sep 20 2012, 6:50pm
    Hey, I liked it too acheron Send a private message to acheron Sep 20 2012, 6:49pm
    But can we be surprised? mefansmum Sep 20 2012, 7:13pm
        while I understand.. droidsocket Send a private message to droidsocket Sep 20 2012, 7:44pm
    Not at all disappointed. Lacrimae Rerum Send a private message to Lacrimae Rerum Sep 20 2012, 7:20pm
    anyone else thinks that galadriel sounds like the borg-queen? elanesse Send a private message to elanesse Sep 20 2012, 7:34pm
        I don't hear it? / DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Sep 20 2012, 7:37pm
            when/before she says "Mithrandir" elanesse Send a private message to elanesse Sep 20 2012, 7:39pm
                Before she says Mithrandir? DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Sep 20 2012, 9:40pm
                Do you mean the sound of stone grinding on stone? DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Sep 20 2012, 10:52pm
        I think that's just Cate Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Sep 20 2012, 7:42pm
            like darth-vader-galadriel elanesse Send a private message to elanesse Sep 20 2012, 8:10pm
    Loved the 5 alternate endings. Lissuin Send a private message to Lissuin Sep 20 2012, 8:38pm
        Yes yes YES!!!! :) BlackCountry Send a private message to BlackCountry Sep 23 2012, 1:58pm
    My favorite shots Shelob'sAppetite Send a private message to Shelob'sAppetite Sep 20 2012, 11:03pm
    I really liked the trailer tolkiennerd Send a private message to tolkiennerd Sep 21 2012, 1:54am
        I'm with ya Elessar Send a private message to Elessar Sep 21 2012, 2:17am
    Okay... Intergalactic Lawman Send a private message to Intergalactic Lawman Sep 21 2012, 5:06am
    something interesting architecthis Send a private message to architecthis Sep 21 2012, 11:39am
    At first I thought the trailer was just ok but now namarie Send a private message to namarie Sep 21 2012, 2:27pm
    I'm officially not disappointed Tim Send a private message to Tim Sep 21 2012, 3:18pm
    Do you all think we'll get something new from WB/PJ today? Carne Send a private message to Carne Sep 21 2012, 3:53pm
        was wondering this myself architecthis Send a private message to architecthis Sep 21 2012, 3:55pm
            Hope we get something Carne Send a private message to Carne Sep 21 2012, 4:07pm
                that may explain it architecthis Send a private message to architecthis Sep 21 2012, 4:17pm
                    Almost 6:30PM here Carne Send a private message to Carne Sep 21 2012, 4:21pm
        Not another TORn meltdown! / DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Sep 21 2012, 6:15pm
    I liked it! Olafr Send a private message to Olafr Sep 21 2012, 4:23pm
    Never exactly like my vision of TH, but... Aragalen the Green Send a private message to Aragalen the Green Sep 21 2012, 5:47pm
        Could not agree more NT architecthis Send a private message to architecthis Sep 21 2012, 5:50pm
            I hope NT means... Aragalen the Green Send a private message to Aragalen the Green Sep 21 2012, 7:20pm
                It means "no text" DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Sep 21 2012, 7:23pm
                    Thanks! NT :) Aragalen the Green Send a private message to Aragalen the Green Sep 21 2012, 7:35pm
                    Subject Lines JWPlatt Sep 21 2012, 8:03pm
                        "WAAAA. WAAAAA. WAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!" Jettorex Send a private message to Jettorex Sep 21 2012, 8:32pm
                        I think the complete opposite! DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Sep 21 2012, 8:56pm
                        Now wait! LOTIP Aragalen the Green Send a private message to Aragalen the Green Sep 21 2012, 11:01pm

 
 
 

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