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'(...) It's a complicated subject, but considering external chronology, I tend to think Tolkien had altered all this for a simpler scenario: that Elves grew at much the same rate as Men, until reaching their mature bodies.' Originally posted by Galin at The Lord of the Rings Plaza, Tolkien Fanatics Forum




I think it's ok to quote someone, but maybe put the text in quotes or link to the actual page, or perhaps include the person's name (like here), whether a 'real' name or not. But I agree, the idea found in Laws and Customs Among The Eldar appears to be only one answer among others. Tolkien sometimes changed his mind!

It might be remotely possible that all these ideas could be parts of the same idea, the notion being: a rate of growth that dwindled in Middle-earth as time passed, if the rate rather drastically altered in Middle-earth over time that is: thus 3,000 or so years very early on (and in Aman), but after time the Elves matured faster and faster, and at some point this rate reduced to 50 or 100 years, perhaps at the time of Finrod's conversation with Andreth* -- and even later, the Eldar ultimately grew at much the same rate as Men.

I think that's much less likely than Tolkien simply changing his mind however, as 3,000-ish to about the same rate as Men is quite the change internally! It was probably easier to keep track of chronology if Elves simply matured at the same rate as Men, but that's a total guess as to why Tolkien seems to have later headed that way.

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* 'This I can well believe,' said Finrod: 'That your bodies suffer in some measure the malice of Melkor. For you live in Arda Marred, as do we, and all the matter of Arda is tainted by him, before ye or we came forth and drew our hroar and their sustenance therefrom: all save only Aman before he came there. For know it is not otherwise with the Quendi themselves: their health and stature is diminished. Already those of us who dwell in Middle-earth, and even we who have returned to it, find that the change* [*the word change was an emendation to the typescript B (only); the manuscript has growth -- footnote by CJRT] of their bodies is swifter than in the beginning. And that, I judge, must forebode that they will prove less strong to last than they were designed to be, though this may not be clearly revealed for many long years.'

Athrabeth Finrod ah Andreth (and see Author's note 7 on the Commentary)

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When do Elves stop ageing? iandea14 Send a private message to iandea14 Sep 5 2012, 7:20am
    The closest we can come to answers... Elizabeth Send a private message to Elizabeth Sep 5 2012, 8:12am
        Thank you! iandea14 Send a private message to iandea14 Sep 5 2012, 8:24am
        This is interesting, and confusing lol rings7 Send a private message to rings7 Sep 5 2012, 9:54pm
            Yes, that's right! Elizabeth Send a private message to Elizabeth Sep 5 2012, 11:34pm
                Cirdan and Fading Noel Q. von Schneiffel Send a private message to Noel Q. von Schneiffel Sep 6 2012, 5:17pm
                    preservation power Elthir Send a private message to Elthir Sep 6 2012, 5:37pm
                        Maybe both happened Noel Q. von Schneiffel Send a private message to Noel Q. von Schneiffel Sep 6 2012, 5:54pm
            Movie might be wrong iandea14 Send a private message to iandea14 Sep 6 2012, 6:59am
            Elrond PhantomS Send a private message to PhantomS Sep 7 2012, 1:34am
                Ageless Elthir Send a private message to Elthir Sep 7 2012, 3:44pm
                    Living at the coast Noel Q. von Schneiffel Send a private message to Noel Q. von Schneiffel Sep 7 2012, 4:21pm
                        You of course meant weathered DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Sep 7 2012, 4:29pm
                            I don't think I'd like to see... Noel Q. von Schneiffel Send a private message to Noel Q. von Schneiffel Sep 7 2012, 4:44pm
                                My degree in Geography isn't wasted!! DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Sep 7 2012, 5:11pm
                                    I see now Noel Q. von Schneiffel Send a private message to Noel Q. von Schneiffel Sep 7 2012, 7:16pm
                                        Erosion and weathering! DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Sep 7 2012, 7:23pm
                        See salt Elthir Send a private message to Elthir Sep 7 2012, 5:40pm
                            Sea water only has about 3% salt in it / DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Sep 7 2012, 5:57pm
                                But there's a lot of water... Elthir Send a private message to Elthir Sep 7 2012, 6:40pm
                                    Mining salt from rock might be easier ;-) / DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Sep 7 2012, 7:10pm
                    Tolkien IIRC wrote Solicitr Send a private message to Solicitr Sep 8 2012, 12:31am
                        innie or outie Elthir Send a private message to Elthir Sep 8 2012, 12:57am
                            Let's face it: Cirdan is an anomaly. Elizabeth Send a private message to Elizabeth Sep 8 2012, 2:44am
                                facing Cirdan's face Elthir Send a private message to Elthir Sep 8 2012, 3:59am
                                    Young MEN can have beards Solicitr Send a private message to Solicitr Sep 8 2012, 12:20pm
                                        emphasis more on 'young' men can have beards Elthir Send a private message to Elthir Sep 8 2012, 2:38pm
                                            Fading Solicitr Send a private message to Solicitr Sep 8 2012, 11:18pm
                                                Lingering on this topic a bit Elthir Send a private message to Elthir Sep 9 2012, 12:59am
                                                    I'd say Solicitr Send a private message to Solicitr Sep 9 2012, 3:07am
                                                        I agree but is there a 'wrinkle' in the larger idea Elthir Send a private message to Elthir Sep 9 2012, 2:48pm
                                                            Two parallel concepts Solicitr Send a private message to Solicitr Sep 9 2012, 4:31pm
                                                                closing the door on the door-ward Elthir Send a private message to Elthir Sep 9 2012, 7:47pm
                                                                    Counting the Rings Elthir Send a private message to Elthir Sep 12 2012, 4:31am
    Don't forget Cirdan the Shipwright mandel Send a private message to mandel Sep 5 2012, 11:31pm
    A post from another site i found helpful - hope its ok to do this! imin Send a private message to imin Sep 6 2012, 6:43am
        Quoting others Elthir Send a private message to Elthir Sep 6 2012, 12:26pm
    Tolkien's number Elthir Send a private message to Elthir Sep 6 2012, 9:47pm
    A few more extracts: malickfan Send a private message to malickfan Sep 10 2012, 1:29pm

 
 
 

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