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Sep 6 2012, 6:43am


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Morgoth's Ring provides 50 years, for some 100 years (as just noted), and while this has proved to be popular on the web, it's not the only idea Tolkien had, nor even the latest idea he had. Other examples include:

'They' are the Númenóreans: 'Thus (as the Eldar) they grew at much the same rate as other Men, but when they had achieved 'full growth' then they aged, or 'wore out', very much more slowly.' Note 1, The Line of Elros, Unfinished Tales

Author's notes to NKE ('neter, kanat, enek'): Note 1: 'C.E. ? netthi. C.E. tth > Q., T. tt; S. þþ > þ. nette meant 'girl approaching the adult' (in her 'teens': the growth of Elvish children after birth was little if at all slower than that of the children of Men). The Common Eldarin stem (wen-ed) wendé 'maiden' applied to all stages up to the fully adult (until marriage).' JRRT, from Vinyar Tengwar 47, texts generally dated 1967-70

This text is quite a bit later than Laws And Customs Among the Eldar (Morgoth's Ring), which generally dates to the late 1950s early 1960s.

These two texts appear to say that the Eldar grew at about the same rate as Men. But even this is not the complete story, as there is another indication, from other texts published in Morgoth's Ring (still later 1950s however), that the Eldar, at least early in the history of Middle-earth and in Aman, matured much slower than 50 to 100 years -- and actually the notion seems to be that it took roughly 3,000 years for an Elf-child to become an adult! and possibly (based on a further text written at this time called Athrabeth Finrod Ah Andreth) in Middle-earth (not in Aman) this rate dwindled, meaning that it took less time to grow to be an adult in Middle-earth as time passed, suggesting Elven children reached maturity faster and faster until at least Finrod's conversation with Andreth.

This idea is wound up with possible drastic changes in the internal chronology, as well as the notion of 144 Sun Years being equal to 1 Valian Year (not roughly 10 Sun Years being equal to 1 Valian Year, as formerly).


It's a complicated subject, but considering external chronology, I tend to think Tolkien had altered all this for a simpler scenario: that Elves grew at much the same rate as Men, until reaching their mature bodies.

Subject User Time
When do Elves stop ageing? iandea14 Send a private message to iandea14 Sep 5 2012, 7:20am
    The closest we can come to answers... Elizabeth Send a private message to Elizabeth Sep 5 2012, 8:12am
        Thank you! iandea14 Send a private message to iandea14 Sep 5 2012, 8:24am
        This is interesting, and confusing lol rings7 Send a private message to rings7 Sep 5 2012, 9:54pm
            Yes, that's right! Elizabeth Send a private message to Elizabeth Sep 5 2012, 11:34pm
                Cirdan and Fading Noel Q. von Schneiffel Send a private message to Noel Q. von Schneiffel Sep 6 2012, 5:17pm
                    preservation power Elthir Send a private message to Elthir Sep 6 2012, 5:37pm
                        Maybe both happened Noel Q. von Schneiffel Send a private message to Noel Q. von Schneiffel Sep 6 2012, 5:54pm
            Movie might be wrong iandea14 Send a private message to iandea14 Sep 6 2012, 6:59am
            Elrond PhantomS Send a private message to PhantomS Sep 7 2012, 1:34am
                Ageless Elthir Send a private message to Elthir Sep 7 2012, 3:44pm
                    Living at the coast Noel Q. von Schneiffel Send a private message to Noel Q. von Schneiffel Sep 7 2012, 4:21pm
                        You of course meant weathered DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Sep 7 2012, 4:29pm
                            I don't think I'd like to see... Noel Q. von Schneiffel Send a private message to Noel Q. von Schneiffel Sep 7 2012, 4:44pm
                                My degree in Geography isn't wasted!! DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Sep 7 2012, 5:11pm
                                    I see now Noel Q. von Schneiffel Send a private message to Noel Q. von Schneiffel Sep 7 2012, 7:16pm
                                        Erosion and weathering! DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Sep 7 2012, 7:23pm
                        See salt Elthir Send a private message to Elthir Sep 7 2012, 5:40pm
                            Sea water only has about 3% salt in it / DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Sep 7 2012, 5:57pm
                                But there's a lot of water... Elthir Send a private message to Elthir Sep 7 2012, 6:40pm
                                    Mining salt from rock might be easier ;-) / DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Sep 7 2012, 7:10pm
                    Tolkien IIRC wrote Solicitr Send a private message to Solicitr Sep 8 2012, 12:31am
                        innie or outie Elthir Send a private message to Elthir Sep 8 2012, 12:57am
                            Let's face it: Cirdan is an anomaly. Elizabeth Send a private message to Elizabeth Sep 8 2012, 2:44am
                                facing Cirdan's face Elthir Send a private message to Elthir Sep 8 2012, 3:59am
                                    Young MEN can have beards Solicitr Send a private message to Solicitr Sep 8 2012, 12:20pm
                                        emphasis more on 'young' men can have beards Elthir Send a private message to Elthir Sep 8 2012, 2:38pm
                                            Fading Solicitr Send a private message to Solicitr Sep 8 2012, 11:18pm
                                                Lingering on this topic a bit Elthir Send a private message to Elthir Sep 9 2012, 12:59am
                                                    I'd say Solicitr Send a private message to Solicitr Sep 9 2012, 3:07am
                                                        I agree but is there a 'wrinkle' in the larger idea Elthir Send a private message to Elthir Sep 9 2012, 2:48pm
                                                            Two parallel concepts Solicitr Send a private message to Solicitr Sep 9 2012, 4:31pm
                                                                closing the door on the door-ward Elthir Send a private message to Elthir Sep 9 2012, 7:47pm
                                                                    Counting the Rings Elthir Send a private message to Elthir Sep 12 2012, 4:31am
    Don't forget Cirdan the Shipwright mandel Send a private message to mandel Sep 5 2012, 11:31pm
    A post from another site i found helpful - hope its ok to do this! imin Send a private message to imin Sep 6 2012, 6:43am
        Quoting others Elthir Send a private message to Elthir Sep 6 2012, 12:26pm
    Tolkien's number Elthir Send a private message to Elthir Sep 6 2012, 9:47pm
    A few more extracts: malickfan Send a private message to malickfan Sep 10 2012, 1:29pm

 
 
 

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