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Sunflower
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Sep 5 2012, 10:16am
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It will be much more difficult for America to drop the need for "dark, flawed" heroes when she is so currently muddled and confused about her own direction, and even reson d'etre while she is held in the strong jaws of the rapacious 1%. Post-9/11 and Gitmo America will never again be able to create, much less believably return to, say, Superman or Mickey Mouse. (Captian Jack was a bit of a corporate miracle.) How can we convincingly re-invent or reimagine new heroes to look up to, when torture and warrantless spying are Constitutional? King of hard, there, to preach lofty ideals through a myhtic creation, when you're betraying your own ideals.--with the peoples' silent consent (bit of a harsh statement there, but it has to be said.) I just finished reading a very interesting book over the summer about the history of Comic-Con. It brings up (a little) this very oint, that most of the totular American cult heroes and figures were born in a much more inocent age when American economy was expanding and even in the light of some setbacks, the nation was expanding and people in general had...well, Estel. for lack of a more powerful word. Now that is all in doubt. The book suggested that in future, Comic-Con might not be THE global pop-culture leader, but merely one of several globally recognised Cons. And that the next Superman or Batman or cartoon icon that we look up to with shining eyes, might come from, say, India....or Brazil. Some other nation giong through its period of expanding middle class and hope for the future. Personally, I don't have much hope in future of the continued expansion of Industrial Civ...not in a world of exploding population growth against a backdrop of rapid rescource depletin, more expensive food and emergy,and accelerating climate change...so they should enjoy the party in its last hours. Sorry to get OT there. But I hope you get the gneral gist of what I mean.
(This post was edited by Sunflower on Sep 5 2012, 10:20am)
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Critique of The Hobbit trilogy in today's Guardian.
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Spaldron
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Sep 3 2012, 3:32pm
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Not worth taking seriously.
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Elessar
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Sep 3 2012, 3:37pm
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Elessar, I agree with you 100%
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Radagast-Aiwendil
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Sep 3 2012, 3:46pm
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I don't care about the cold hard profit that WB will make
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DanielLB
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Sep 3 2012, 3:37pm
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typical lack of understanding of the book
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Fardragon
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Sep 3 2012, 3:47pm
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Agreed :-)
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DanielLB
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Sep 3 2012, 3:51pm
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It will be created
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GoodGuyA
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Sep 3 2012, 3:59pm
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Wouldn't have the same feel as a real film though ;-) /
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DanielLB
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Sep 3 2012, 4:06pm
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You'd be surprised, my friend
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GoodGuyA
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Sep 3 2012, 4:07pm
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One film Hobbit
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Fardragon
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Sep 3 2012, 4:02pm
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I don't think it would be that bad!
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DanielLB
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Sep 3 2012, 4:07pm
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Rankin/Bass proved that a one-film adaptation could be done...
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Otaku-sempai
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Sep 3 2012, 4:07pm
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Sub plot!
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Fardragon
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Sep 3 2012, 4:13pm
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Welll I'm not suggesting that the Arkenstone should be left out...
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Otaku-sempai
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Sep 3 2012, 4:26pm
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He proved that it's possible to cram everything together into one film
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painjoiker
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Sep 3 2012, 5:11pm
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Well, Rankin/Bass isn't a 'he', it's a 'they'...
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Otaku-sempai
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Sep 3 2012, 5:26pm
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Sorry . . . can't agree.
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TomthePilgrim
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Sep 3 2012, 6:32pm
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You are certainly welcome to your own opinion
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Otaku-sempai
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Sep 3 2012, 6:40pm
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Not a problem . . .
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TomthePilgrim
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Sep 3 2012, 6:52pm
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Somewhere between 1 film/2 hours and 3 films/x hours is what I was hoping for.
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dalecooper
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Sep 3 2012, 10:10pm
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So how long is reasonable for The Hobbit?
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Escapist
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Sep 3 2012, 11:02pm
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How Long
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JWPlatt
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Sep 3 2012, 11:09pm
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Agreed. And I wouldn't even call the absence of the Wood Elves feast a major
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AinurOlorin
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Sep 4 2012, 9:00pm
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"It's not its length that makes it three movies, it's its structure."
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Faenoriel
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Sep 3 2012, 4:12pm
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Totally.
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Buchanicus
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Sep 3 2012, 7:37pm
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Perfect post./
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Patty
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Sep 3 2012, 8:21pm
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3 could be a bonus, or a convuluting distraction. It remains to be seen.
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AinurOlorin
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Sep 4 2012, 8:50pm
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I excepedt long ago that we are no longer just getting The Hobbit
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DanielLB
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Sep 4 2012, 8:58pm
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Well there still seems
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Sep 4 2012, 9:15pm
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I'm not sure I suggested that? /
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DanielLB
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Sep 4 2012, 9:18pm
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It seems that if someone is saying
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Sep 4 2012, 9:26pm
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Ah, the Guardian
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Carne
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Sep 3 2012, 3:42pm
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Good thing
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Ziggy Stardust
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Sep 5 2012, 1:18am
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This article doesn't even mention Tintin. //
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RosieLass
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Sep 5 2012, 4:34am
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I was referring to Carne's post
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Ziggy Stardust
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Sep 5 2012, 7:51pm
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I wouldn't expect anything else from The Grauniad to be honest
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Crunchable Birdses
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Sep 3 2012, 3:55pm
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Haha, this is so true! //
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imin
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Sep 3 2012, 4:25pm
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Groupie Site
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JWPlatt
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Sep 3 2012, 4:11pm
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Ok then...
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Spaldron
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Sep 3 2012, 4:32pm
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This is possibly true -
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geordie
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Sep 3 2012, 5:25pm
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Fan v Groupie
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JWPlatt
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Sep 3 2012, 5:49pm
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I don't disagree with this. //
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geordie
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Sep 3 2012, 6:16pm
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JWPlatt
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Silverlode
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Sep 3 2012, 8:01pm
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Fully agreed with Silverlode
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macfalk
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Sep 4 2012, 12:10pm
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creative stagnation?
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Elenorflower
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Sep 4 2012, 12:22pm
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Agree
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Olo Overhill
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Sep 4 2012, 4:05pm
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Pssst, Elenorflower...
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Ataahua
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Sep 4 2012, 7:32pm
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Hmmmmm
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Sep 3 2012, 4:19pm
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Or, to paraphrase:
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Fardragon
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Sep 3 2012, 4:22pm
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That Dude did say he might have to eat hizz Words..
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Bombadil
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Sep 3 2012, 4:27pm
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Yes, I was irked by that -
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geordie
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Sep 3 2012, 5:33pm
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Actually, he did!
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sharpened_graphite
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Sep 3 2012, 7:26pm
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Haha
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Sep 3 2012, 7:44pm
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I heard 'The New Shadow' -
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geordie
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Sep 3 2012, 8:05pm
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How exciting!
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Ardamírë
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Sep 3 2012, 8:13pm
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Are you serious?
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Ziggy Stardust
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Sep 5 2012, 1:28am
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So they've seen the movies already. Lucky them!...
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Maiarmike
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Sep 3 2012, 5:23pm
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We had cinema Critic here that was Such a waste of time
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Bombadil
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Sep 3 2012, 5:40pm
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People like this don't deserve the title 'critic'
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mandel
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Sep 3 2012, 6:33pm
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I have no interest to choose to spend any time reading the article.
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Escapist
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Sep 3 2012, 6:35pm
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One short book does not nessecarily interpret as one short movie....
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Dlanor da Great
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Sep 3 2012, 6:50pm
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A target of convenience
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SirDennisC
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Sep 3 2012, 7:40pm
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But this (prospective backlash)
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Sunflower
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Sep 5 2012, 1:14am
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And? And?
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SirDennisC
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Sep 5 2012, 1:40am
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Backlash
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JWPlatt
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Sep 5 2012, 2:51am
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Heroes
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Sunflower
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Sep 5 2012, 10:16am
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LOL....
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Sunflower
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Sep 5 2012, 10:03am
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Waste of time
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Noria
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Sep 3 2012, 7:46pm
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Pure speculation
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Silverlode
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Sep 3 2012, 8:13pm
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Though I don't agree with the author's general point
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Sep 3 2012, 8:29pm
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I'm glad to hear that it wasn't all as negative sounding as the excerpt in the original post.
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Escapist
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Sep 3 2012, 8:46pm
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I don't wish to hear that which may be disagreeable, particularly if it's right...
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Morthoron
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Sep 3 2012, 9:57pm
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That doesn't appear to be the point of the article at all.
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Sep 3 2012, 10:24pm
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You skipped an entire germane paragraph...
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Morthoron
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Sep 3 2012, 10:42pm
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That's not his critique
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Sep 3 2012, 10:49pm
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Misstatement of fact...
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Otaku-sempai
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Sep 4 2012, 7:13pm
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actually
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Fardragon
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Sep 4 2012, 7:54pm
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Which is exactly what some people will understandably object to.
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AinurOlorin
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Sep 4 2012, 9:27pm
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(Literary) Devices
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JWPlatt
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Sep 4 2012, 10:13pm
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I would disagree about their reluctance. Doubtless, by now, they know the fickle ways of Djinn
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AinurOlorin
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Sep 4 2012, 11:24pm
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How long will these films run?
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morgenstern
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Sep 4 2012, 2:54pm
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His argument doesn't make sense to me.
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Istaris'staffs
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Sep 3 2012, 9:44pm
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why three? differing motivations from differing camps
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Demosthenes
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Sep 4 2012, 12:13am
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Controversial agreement...
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Bound
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Sep 4 2012, 8:34am
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Not really the point
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Fardragon
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Sep 4 2012, 9:45am
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...
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Bound
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Sep 4 2012, 12:45pm
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I agree to an extent Bound
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SirDennisC
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Sep 4 2012, 1:21pm
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Totally agree
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Bound
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Sep 4 2012, 1:38pm
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There will probably be a lot of that sort of thing this time around
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dave_lf
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Sep 4 2012, 12:39pm
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The gripes that this is only "speculation" are pointless.
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RosieLass
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Sep 4 2012, 3:07pm
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And if you aren't going to read the whole article...
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RosieLass
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Sep 4 2012, 3:10pm
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Not all speculation is groundless
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Fardragon
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Sep 4 2012, 4:08pm
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It's an opinion piece.
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RosieLass
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Sep 4 2012, 4:17pm
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Only one false assumption is required to invalidate a thesis
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Fardragon
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Sep 4 2012, 4:24pm
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A bit late.
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Spaldron
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Sep 4 2012, 3:36pm
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People seem to be forgetting about the LENGTH of the LotR movies...
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SteveDJ
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Sep 4 2012, 6:30pm
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creative team
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Elenorflower
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Sep 5 2012, 8:41pm
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Darn, I came late to this thread and everbody has just about said it all
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Snaga
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Sep 4 2012, 10:38pm
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