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Sunflower
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Sep 5 2012, 1:14am
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But this (prospective backlash)
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is an article that seeks to "set the tone" and I am sure that the writer puts in print what many members of the media, the industry, and (yes) the Academy must be feeling. It's the opening shot, and I disagree that this article must not be taken seriously. it should be taken seriously indeed. Not just for what it says, but b/c he isn't content to back up his own arguments; he says "the fans are upset" and offers links or points to a Facebook page so readers can see for themselves. I'm sure the author has dubiously cherry-picked selected negative fan reaction to the news of the past months. This is serious. Ask yourself: if the media had not glowingly endorsed the films wth the sobriquet "it even won over die-hard Tolkien book fans" (LOTR), if there had been a fan backlash against LOTR, wouldn't that have muddied the critical acclaim and influenced thinking of the memebers of AMPAS? This is the same type of article that began months before The Phantom Menace and esp Titanic. With TPM, the results were mixed while Titanic of course confounded all odds. We should expect to see aLOTmore of this the closer we get to Dec, and it means that Peter Jackson had better darn well deliver. And by "deliver", there are some hard hearts out there: this had better be not just as good as LOTR....the industry will now expect something better. The ods are already high, and Jackson seeming to set himself up as another George Lucas isn't doing him any critical favors. Not that I think he is. But the article riases a valid point that he isn't the same scrappy PJ any more; he's now a seasoned mogul who has a small entourage who follows him around on the shoot and, as we have seen in the vlogs, puts the cup of coffee into his hand. (This is the exact point when Alec Guinness correctly opined that GL's best days were perhaps behind him....when he saw him thus on the set of ROTJ.) I do agree that TH was a lucky break for him; but after this he will have to do his Schindler's List to follow this Jurassic Park. I'd love to see him go back to his HC roots and be known for more than DeMillian epics. After all, even Spielberg went inward... Peter jackson initially turned down TH b/c he didn't want to have to face the pressure of having to creatively top himself, before the 48fps and trilogy, he was already under pressure. Now, he is facing a situation far worse than even he dreaded--and he must be either just as the article says, OR that much of a genius. and confident that he can withstand all sotrms. ..that he can avoid the Mogul Curse that has claimed so many great directors creatively. This worrying aspect--that just as George Lucas before him, Peter Jackson might become an accidental lightening rod for debate and criticism about all that is wrong with the industry, regardless of how TH turns out--is not something to be brushed aside as specious or of the moment. It may well become all the more potent within circles of the industry IF TH is commerically successful and has a modicum of critical success. After all, we now live in the Twitter Age, when praise so inevitalby turns to backlash. It seems that Th is already being set up to sink further if it falls out of the gate (and only perfection can come from this new gate) OR if it is successful, they'll drag it down. B/c everyone is jealous of someone who is TOO good or successful. How can Peter Jackson become more than the enabler of the Bloated Blockbuster Franchise? (as they'd see it, not me.) Will Peter Biskind write another sequel to "Easy Riders, Raging Bulls" and his follow-up critique of 90's Indie CInema with a book that has the likes of Cameron and Jackson symbolizing all that is bad in Tinseltown? Having TABA open in Summer doesn;t help. "Summer blockbuster, NOT Oscar film." For the first time, I wish that the order were reversed--6 months between films 1 and 2, not 2 and 3! This is what drives me mad--that the fans too won't evn know if they've been validated (or not) for a whole year after!
(This post was edited by Sunflower on Sep 5 2012, 1:20am)
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Critique of The Hobbit trilogy in today's Guardian.
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Spaldron
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Sep 3 2012, 3:32pm
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Not worth taking seriously.
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Elessar
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Sep 3 2012, 3:37pm
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Elessar, I agree with you 100%
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Radagast-Aiwendil
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Sep 3 2012, 3:46pm
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I don't care about the cold hard profit that WB will make
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DanielLB
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Sep 3 2012, 3:37pm
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typical lack of understanding of the book
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Fardragon
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Sep 3 2012, 3:47pm
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Agreed :-)
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DanielLB
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Sep 3 2012, 3:51pm
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It will be created
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GoodGuyA
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Sep 3 2012, 3:59pm
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Wouldn't have the same feel as a real film though ;-) /
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DanielLB
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Sep 3 2012, 4:06pm
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You'd be surprised, my friend
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GoodGuyA
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Sep 3 2012, 4:07pm
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One film Hobbit
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Fardragon
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Sep 3 2012, 4:02pm
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I don't think it would be that bad!
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DanielLB
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Sep 3 2012, 4:07pm
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Rankin/Bass proved that a one-film adaptation could be done...
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Otaku-sempai
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Sep 3 2012, 4:07pm
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Sub plot!
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Fardragon
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Sep 3 2012, 4:13pm
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Welll I'm not suggesting that the Arkenstone should be left out...
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Otaku-sempai
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Sep 3 2012, 4:26pm
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He proved that it's possible to cram everything together into one film
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painjoiker
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Sep 3 2012, 5:11pm
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Well, Rankin/Bass isn't a 'he', it's a 'they'...
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Otaku-sempai
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Sep 3 2012, 5:26pm
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Sorry . . . can't agree.
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TomthePilgrim
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Sep 3 2012, 6:32pm
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You are certainly welcome to your own opinion
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Otaku-sempai
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Sep 3 2012, 6:40pm
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Not a problem . . .
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TomthePilgrim
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Sep 3 2012, 6:52pm
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Somewhere between 1 film/2 hours and 3 films/x hours is what I was hoping for.
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dalecooper
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Sep 3 2012, 10:10pm
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So how long is reasonable for The Hobbit?
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Escapist
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Sep 3 2012, 11:02pm
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How Long
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JWPlatt
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Sep 3 2012, 11:09pm
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Agreed. And I wouldn't even call the absence of the Wood Elves feast a major
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AinurOlorin
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Sep 4 2012, 9:00pm
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"It's not its length that makes it three movies, it's its structure."
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Faenoriel
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Sep 3 2012, 4:12pm
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Totally.
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Buchanicus
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Sep 3 2012, 7:37pm
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Perfect post./
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Patty
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Sep 3 2012, 8:21pm
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3 could be a bonus, or a convuluting distraction. It remains to be seen.
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AinurOlorin
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Sep 4 2012, 8:50pm
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I excepedt long ago that we are no longer just getting The Hobbit
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DanielLB
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Sep 4 2012, 8:58pm
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Well there still seems
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Sep 4 2012, 9:15pm
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I'm not sure I suggested that? /
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DanielLB
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Sep 4 2012, 9:18pm
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It seems that if someone is saying
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Sep 4 2012, 9:26pm
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Ah, the Guardian
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Carne
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Sep 3 2012, 3:42pm
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Good thing
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Ziggy Stardust
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Sep 5 2012, 1:18am
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This article doesn't even mention Tintin. //
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RosieLass
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Sep 5 2012, 4:34am
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I was referring to Carne's post
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Ziggy Stardust
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Sep 5 2012, 7:51pm
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I wouldn't expect anything else from The Grauniad to be honest
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Crunchable Birdses
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Sep 3 2012, 3:55pm
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Haha, this is so true! //
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imin
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Sep 3 2012, 4:25pm
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Groupie Site
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JWPlatt
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Sep 3 2012, 4:11pm
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Ok then...
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Spaldron
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Sep 3 2012, 4:32pm
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This is possibly true -
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geordie
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Sep 3 2012, 5:25pm
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Fan v Groupie
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JWPlatt
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Sep 3 2012, 5:49pm
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I don't disagree with this. //
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geordie
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Sep 3 2012, 6:16pm
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JWPlatt
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Silverlode
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Sep 3 2012, 8:01pm
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Fully agreed with Silverlode
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macfalk
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Sep 4 2012, 12:10pm
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creative stagnation?
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Elenorflower
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Sep 4 2012, 12:22pm
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Agree
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Olo Overhill
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Sep 4 2012, 4:05pm
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Pssst, Elenorflower...
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Ataahua
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Sep 4 2012, 7:32pm
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Hmmmmm
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Sep 3 2012, 4:19pm
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Or, to paraphrase:
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Fardragon
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Sep 3 2012, 4:22pm
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That Dude did say he might have to eat hizz Words..
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Bombadil
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Sep 3 2012, 4:27pm
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Yes, I was irked by that -
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geordie
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Sep 3 2012, 5:33pm
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Actually, he did!
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sharpened_graphite
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Sep 3 2012, 7:26pm
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Haha
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Sep 3 2012, 7:44pm
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I heard 'The New Shadow' -
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geordie
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Sep 3 2012, 8:05pm
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How exciting!
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Ardamírë
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Sep 3 2012, 8:13pm
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Are you serious?
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Ziggy Stardust
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Sep 5 2012, 1:28am
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So they've seen the movies already. Lucky them!...
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Maiarmike
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Sep 3 2012, 5:23pm
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We had cinema Critic here that was Such a waste of time
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Bombadil
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Sep 3 2012, 5:40pm
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People like this don't deserve the title 'critic'
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mandel
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Sep 3 2012, 6:33pm
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I have no interest to choose to spend any time reading the article.
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Escapist
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Sep 3 2012, 6:35pm
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One short book does not nessecarily interpret as one short movie....
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Dlanor da Great
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Sep 3 2012, 6:50pm
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A target of convenience
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SirDennisC
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Sep 3 2012, 7:40pm
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But this (prospective backlash)
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Sunflower
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Sep 5 2012, 1:14am
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And? And?
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SirDennisC
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Sep 5 2012, 1:40am
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Backlash
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JWPlatt
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Sep 5 2012, 2:51am
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Heroes
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Sunflower
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Sep 5 2012, 10:16am
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LOL....
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Sunflower
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Sep 5 2012, 10:03am
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Waste of time
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Noria
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Sep 3 2012, 7:46pm
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Pure speculation
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Silverlode
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Sep 3 2012, 8:13pm
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Though I don't agree with the author's general point
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Sep 3 2012, 8:29pm
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I'm glad to hear that it wasn't all as negative sounding as the excerpt in the original post.
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Escapist
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Sep 3 2012, 8:46pm
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I don't wish to hear that which may be disagreeable, particularly if it's right...
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Morthoron
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Sep 3 2012, 9:57pm
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That doesn't appear to be the point of the article at all.
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Sep 3 2012, 10:24pm
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You skipped an entire germane paragraph...
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Morthoron
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Sep 3 2012, 10:42pm
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That's not his critique
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Sep 3 2012, 10:49pm
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Misstatement of fact...
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Otaku-sempai
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Sep 4 2012, 7:13pm
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actually
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Fardragon
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Sep 4 2012, 7:54pm
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Which is exactly what some people will understandably object to.
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AinurOlorin
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Sep 4 2012, 9:27pm
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(Literary) Devices
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JWPlatt
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Sep 4 2012, 10:13pm
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I would disagree about their reluctance. Doubtless, by now, they know the fickle ways of Djinn
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AinurOlorin
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Sep 4 2012, 11:24pm
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How long will these films run?
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morgenstern
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Sep 4 2012, 2:54pm
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His argument doesn't make sense to me.
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Istaris'staffs
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Sep 3 2012, 9:44pm
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why three? differing motivations from differing camps
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Demosthenes
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Sep 4 2012, 12:13am
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Controversial agreement...
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Bound
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Sep 4 2012, 8:34am
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Not really the point
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Fardragon
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Sep 4 2012, 9:45am
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...
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Bound
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Sep 4 2012, 12:45pm
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I agree to an extent Bound
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SirDennisC
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Sep 4 2012, 1:21pm
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Totally agree
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Bound
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Sep 4 2012, 1:38pm
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There will probably be a lot of that sort of thing this time around
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dave_lf
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Sep 4 2012, 12:39pm
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The gripes that this is only "speculation" are pointless.
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RosieLass
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Sep 4 2012, 3:07pm
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And if you aren't going to read the whole article...
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RosieLass
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Sep 4 2012, 3:10pm
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Not all speculation is groundless
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Fardragon
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Sep 4 2012, 4:08pm
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It's an opinion piece.
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RosieLass
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Sep 4 2012, 4:17pm
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Only one false assumption is required to invalidate a thesis
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Fardragon
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Sep 4 2012, 4:24pm
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A bit late.
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Spaldron
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Sep 4 2012, 3:36pm
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People seem to be forgetting about the LENGTH of the LotR movies...
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SteveDJ
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Sep 4 2012, 6:30pm
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creative team
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Elenorflower
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Sep 5 2012, 8:41pm
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Darn, I came late to this thread and everbody has just about said it all
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Snaga
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Sep 4 2012, 10:38pm
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