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AinurOlorin
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Sep 4 2012, 9:27pm
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Which is exactly what some people will understandably object to.
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I like Dol Guldur and The Council of The Wise being included if it is done properly, and without TOO much invented speculative ficiton beyond what is needed to make the sub-plot work. But The Hobbit is the name of the film, and it is the work they are adapting. It is thus, the work most people will expect to see. It would be entirely inappropriate and a damaging deviation, for example, if Jackson were to use the Appendicies to force Feanor and The Valar and the wars against Melkor into The Hobbit (and, believe it or no, there is just enough information on those beings and subjects in the appendecies to make for a fan fictionalized account much of what is in The Silmarillion without ever actually having to quote anything directly from that forbidden tome). Indeed, such diversion would cause it to no longer be The Hobbit. It is not a problem that the only other text they have rights to is The Hobbit, if the film they intend to make is The Hobbit. It is only a problem if one wants to cram a lot of material that has very little to do with The Hobbit into a film that is supposedly based on that novel. Dumas wrote a whole series of musketeer novels. But this isn't really comparable. People like Middle Earth. They want to see more movies about Middle Earth. The problem is, Tolkien only published one more novel (in his lifetime) about Middle Earth. However, he did write lots of plot outlines and story fragments. What is being made is a prequel trilogy to LotOR, not a straight adaptation of one novel. "Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!" "Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."
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Critique of The Hobbit trilogy in today's Guardian.
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Spaldron
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Sep 3 2012, 3:32pm
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Not worth taking seriously.
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Elessar
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Sep 3 2012, 3:37pm
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Elessar, I agree with you 100%
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Radagast-Aiwendil
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Sep 3 2012, 3:46pm
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I don't care about the cold hard profit that WB will make
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DanielLB
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Sep 3 2012, 3:37pm
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typical lack of understanding of the book
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Fardragon
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Sep 3 2012, 3:47pm
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Agreed :-)
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DanielLB
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Sep 3 2012, 3:51pm
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It will be created
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GoodGuyA
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Sep 3 2012, 3:59pm
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Wouldn't have the same feel as a real film though ;-) /
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DanielLB
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Sep 3 2012, 4:06pm
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You'd be surprised, my friend
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GoodGuyA
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Sep 3 2012, 4:07pm
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One film Hobbit
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Fardragon
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Sep 3 2012, 4:02pm
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I don't think it would be that bad!
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DanielLB
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Sep 3 2012, 4:07pm
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Rankin/Bass proved that a one-film adaptation could be done...
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Otaku-sempai
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Sep 3 2012, 4:07pm
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Sub plot!
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Fardragon
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Sep 3 2012, 4:13pm
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Welll I'm not suggesting that the Arkenstone should be left out...
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Otaku-sempai
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Sep 3 2012, 4:26pm
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He proved that it's possible to cram everything together into one film
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painjoiker
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Sep 3 2012, 5:11pm
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Well, Rankin/Bass isn't a 'he', it's a 'they'...
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Otaku-sempai
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Sep 3 2012, 5:26pm
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Sorry . . . can't agree.
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TomthePilgrim
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Sep 3 2012, 6:32pm
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You are certainly welcome to your own opinion
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Otaku-sempai
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Sep 3 2012, 6:40pm
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Not a problem . . .
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TomthePilgrim
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Sep 3 2012, 6:52pm
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Somewhere between 1 film/2 hours and 3 films/x hours is what I was hoping for.
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dalecooper
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Sep 3 2012, 10:10pm
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So how long is reasonable for The Hobbit?
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Escapist
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Sep 3 2012, 11:02pm
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How Long
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JWPlatt
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Sep 3 2012, 11:09pm
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Agreed. And I wouldn't even call the absence of the Wood Elves feast a major
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AinurOlorin
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Sep 4 2012, 9:00pm
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"It's not its length that makes it three movies, it's its structure."
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Faenoriel
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Sep 3 2012, 4:12pm
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Totally.
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Buchanicus
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Sep 3 2012, 7:37pm
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Perfect post./
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Patty
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Sep 3 2012, 8:21pm
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3 could be a bonus, or a convuluting distraction. It remains to be seen.
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AinurOlorin
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Sep 4 2012, 8:50pm
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I excepedt long ago that we are no longer just getting The Hobbit
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DanielLB
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Sep 4 2012, 8:58pm
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Well there still seems
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Sep 4 2012, 9:15pm
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I'm not sure I suggested that? /
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DanielLB
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Sep 4 2012, 9:18pm
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It seems that if someone is saying
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Sep 4 2012, 9:26pm
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Ah, the Guardian
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Carne
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Sep 3 2012, 3:42pm
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Good thing
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Ziggy Stardust
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Sep 5 2012, 1:18am
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This article doesn't even mention Tintin. //
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RosieLass
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Sep 5 2012, 4:34am
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I was referring to Carne's post
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Ziggy Stardust
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Sep 5 2012, 7:51pm
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I wouldn't expect anything else from The Grauniad to be honest
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Crunchable Birdses
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Sep 3 2012, 3:55pm
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Haha, this is so true! //
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imin
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Sep 3 2012, 4:25pm
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Groupie Site
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JWPlatt
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Sep 3 2012, 4:11pm
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Ok then...
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Spaldron
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Sep 3 2012, 4:32pm
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This is possibly true -
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geordie
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Sep 3 2012, 5:25pm
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Fan v Groupie
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JWPlatt
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Sep 3 2012, 5:49pm
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I don't disagree with this. //
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geordie
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Sep 3 2012, 6:16pm
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JWPlatt
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Silverlode
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Sep 3 2012, 8:01pm
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Fully agreed with Silverlode
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macfalk
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Sep 4 2012, 12:10pm
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creative stagnation?
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Elenorflower
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Sep 4 2012, 12:22pm
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Agree
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Olo Overhill
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Sep 4 2012, 4:05pm
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Pssst, Elenorflower...
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Ataahua
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Sep 4 2012, 7:32pm
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Hmmmmm
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Sep 3 2012, 4:19pm
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Or, to paraphrase:
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Fardragon
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Sep 3 2012, 4:22pm
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That Dude did say he might have to eat hizz Words..
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Bombadil
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Sep 3 2012, 4:27pm
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Yes, I was irked by that -
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geordie
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Sep 3 2012, 5:33pm
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Actually, he did!
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sharpened_graphite
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Sep 3 2012, 7:26pm
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Haha
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Sep 3 2012, 7:44pm
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I heard 'The New Shadow' -
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geordie
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Sep 3 2012, 8:05pm
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How exciting!
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Ardamírë
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Sep 3 2012, 8:13pm
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Are you serious?
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Ziggy Stardust
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Sep 5 2012, 1:28am
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So they've seen the movies already. Lucky them!...
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Maiarmike
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Sep 3 2012, 5:23pm
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We had cinema Critic here that was Such a waste of time
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Bombadil
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Sep 3 2012, 5:40pm
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People like this don't deserve the title 'critic'
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mandel
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Sep 3 2012, 6:33pm
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I have no interest to choose to spend any time reading the article.
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Escapist
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Sep 3 2012, 6:35pm
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One short book does not nessecarily interpret as one short movie....
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Dlanor da Great
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Sep 3 2012, 6:50pm
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A target of convenience
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SirDennisC
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Sep 3 2012, 7:40pm
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But this (prospective backlash)
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Sunflower
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Sep 5 2012, 1:14am
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And? And?
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SirDennisC
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Sep 5 2012, 1:40am
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Backlash
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JWPlatt
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Sep 5 2012, 2:51am
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Heroes
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Sunflower
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Sep 5 2012, 10:16am
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LOL....
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Sunflower
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Sep 5 2012, 10:03am
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Waste of time
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Noria
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Sep 3 2012, 7:46pm
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Pure speculation
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Silverlode
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Sep 3 2012, 8:13pm
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Though I don't agree with the author's general point
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Sep 3 2012, 8:29pm
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I'm glad to hear that it wasn't all as negative sounding as the excerpt in the original post.
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Escapist
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Sep 3 2012, 8:46pm
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I don't wish to hear that which may be disagreeable, particularly if it's right...
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Morthoron
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Sep 3 2012, 9:57pm
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That doesn't appear to be the point of the article at all.
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Sep 3 2012, 10:24pm
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You skipped an entire germane paragraph...
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Morthoron
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Sep 3 2012, 10:42pm
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That's not his critique
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Sep 3 2012, 10:49pm
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Misstatement of fact...
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Otaku-sempai
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Sep 4 2012, 7:13pm
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actually
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Fardragon
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Sep 4 2012, 7:54pm
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Which is exactly what some people will understandably object to.
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AinurOlorin
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Sep 4 2012, 9:27pm
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(Literary) Devices
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JWPlatt
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Sep 4 2012, 10:13pm
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I would disagree about their reluctance. Doubtless, by now, they know the fickle ways of Djinn
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AinurOlorin
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Sep 4 2012, 11:24pm
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How long will these films run?
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morgenstern
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Sep 4 2012, 2:54pm
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His argument doesn't make sense to me.
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Istaris'staffs
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Sep 3 2012, 9:44pm
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why three? differing motivations from differing camps
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Demosthenes
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Sep 4 2012, 12:13am
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Controversial agreement...
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Bound
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Sep 4 2012, 8:34am
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Not really the point
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Fardragon
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Sep 4 2012, 9:45am
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...
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Bound
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Sep 4 2012, 12:45pm
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I agree to an extent Bound
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SirDennisC
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Sep 4 2012, 1:21pm
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Totally agree
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Bound
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Sep 4 2012, 1:38pm
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There will probably be a lot of that sort of thing this time around
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dave_lf
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Sep 4 2012, 12:39pm
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The gripes that this is only "speculation" are pointless.
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RosieLass
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Sep 4 2012, 3:07pm
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And if you aren't going to read the whole article...
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RosieLass
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Sep 4 2012, 3:10pm
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Not all speculation is groundless
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Fardragon
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Sep 4 2012, 4:08pm
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It's an opinion piece.
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RosieLass
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Sep 4 2012, 4:17pm
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Only one false assumption is required to invalidate a thesis
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Fardragon
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Sep 4 2012, 4:24pm
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A bit late.
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Spaldron
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Sep 4 2012, 3:36pm
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People seem to be forgetting about the LENGTH of the LotR movies...
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SteveDJ
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Sep 4 2012, 6:30pm
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creative team
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Elenorflower
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Sep 5 2012, 8:41pm
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Darn, I came late to this thread and everbody has just about said it all
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Snaga
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Sep 4 2012, 10:38pm
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