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mandel
Rivendell
Sep 4 2012, 6:06pm
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I think the materials are in Tolkien for getting a better view of Gandalf's character development. My take is that Tolkien wanted to make Gandalf the bedrock early in LOTR, with Aragorn taking up some of the slack later on - in brief moments of hesitation and doubt from Gandalf (e.g. The Last Debate), Aragorn takes up the mantle as leader and moves things forward. (This is one of the things I thought PJ got absolutely perfect in his films). At the beginning of TH, we're seeing a Gandalf who hasn't yet had to face the immediate prospect of his great task in Middle-Earth - the defeat of Sauron. He has the great wisdom to see in Hobbits much more than anyone else can. But he's still quite a bit impatient with Bilbo, as with the Dwarves. He still has the sense of superiority of a Maiar sent to dwell among mortals. But by the time of LOTR, he has the wisdom to know that Hobbits have a kind of strength even he lacks. And, I'm guessing this change of heart happens during the course of events in TH. Bilbo doesn't just prove himself to be courageous, but almost completely unselfish. His self-centered thoughts always seem to be quite simple: he doesn't want treasure, or political power, or even great honor (though he takes pleasure in the dwarves' admiration); instead, he just wants the warmth of Bag End, a meal and pipe by the fire. I'd like to see Gandalf come to this realization in TH films, along with the realization of his great task...
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Some new(ish) spoilers and snippets
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DanielLB
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Sep 4 2012, 2:59pm
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I heard Smaug is going to be about the size of Laketown
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Carne
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Sep 4 2012, 3:04pm
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Perhaps the size of a B52 Bomber?
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Kangi Ska
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Sep 4 2012, 3:26pm
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. . . and smaller than the Lonely Mountain!
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TomthePilgrim
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Sep 4 2012, 4:14pm
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In an interview...
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mandel
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Sep 4 2012, 3:30pm
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Well that makes sense...
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Earl
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Sep 4 2012, 3:41pm
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Love it all!
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Ardamírë
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Sep 4 2012, 3:14pm
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Lindir
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dave_lf
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Sep 4 2012, 3:18pm
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The vlogs show a feast in Rivendell.
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Ardamírë
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Sep 4 2012, 3:27pm
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The pictures were spectacular//
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Sinister71
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Sep 5 2012, 3:53pm
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Did you get to see them sinister71?!
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DanielLB
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Sep 5 2012, 3:56pm
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yep
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Sinister71
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Sep 5 2012, 3:59pm
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That's great news!
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DanielLB
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Sep 5 2012, 4:09pm
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I hope they're released soon!//
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Ardamírë
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Sep 5 2012, 4:43pm
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I like the idea of a poetry reading...
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dormouse
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Sep 4 2012, 3:32pm
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The problem is
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
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Sep 4 2012, 3:48pm
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Early form of poetry?
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DanielLB
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Sep 4 2012, 4:38pm
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Well, yes....
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dormouse
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Sep 4 2012, 5:16pm
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What I would really like
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
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Sep 4 2012, 5:29pm
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Oh yes - that really would be good
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dormouse
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Sep 4 2012, 5:56pm
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Agreed
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Sep 4 2012, 5:31pm
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Let's not jump to conclusions
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
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Sep 4 2012, 5:35pm
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Not jumping anywhere
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Sep 5 2012, 12:00am
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Fair enough
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
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Sep 5 2012, 12:12am
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True
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Sep 5 2012, 12:24am
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It's explicitly stated - no reading in required
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
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Sep 5 2012, 2:04am
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Well, I hope you are right
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Sep 5 2012, 4:15am
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I hope so too
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
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Sep 5 2012, 1:17pm
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Could be 'contemporary' to the time of FOTR
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Snaga
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Sep 5 2012, 7:20pm
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That "poetry reading" needs, I think, different punctuation to make proper sense...
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Earl
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Sep 4 2012, 3:43pm
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Some speculation about Gandalf on this basis of this article
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mandel
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Sep 4 2012, 3:49pm
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"Plot heavy"
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Fardragon
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Sep 4 2012, 4:17pm
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Yeah, I know...
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mandel
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Sep 4 2012, 4:22pm
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i kind of like that
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There&ThereAgain
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Sep 4 2012, 5:26pm
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Gandalf's headspace
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mandel
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Sep 4 2012, 6:06pm
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I'd love to see that character development in the films
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FlyingSerkis
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Sep 4 2012, 6:12pm
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Really hope we get to see those pictures soon!
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Carne
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Sep 4 2012, 4:49pm
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Thanks for this, DanielLB!
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Radagast-Aiwendil
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Sep 4 2012, 4:54pm
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Some interesting tidbits
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HiddenSpring
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Sep 4 2012, 5:24pm
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To save having 4 of my threads on one page, I'll put this here
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DanielLB
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Sep 4 2012, 6:05pm
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A free Hobbit?
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DarkJackal
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Sep 4 2012, 7:27pm
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Haha! A free Hobbit would be a lot better than a poster wouldn't it!
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DanielLB
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Sep 4 2012, 7:29pm
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What was that link supposed to be . . .
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TomthePilgrim
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Sep 4 2012, 9:16pm
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Sorry TomthePilgrim!
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DanielLB
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Sep 4 2012, 9:20pm
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Ohhhhhhhh . . . . . . . . .
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TomthePilgrim
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Sep 4 2012, 9:25pm
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I got my free poster today
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DanielLB
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Sep 7 2012, 9:30pm
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One question
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Faenoriel
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Sep 4 2012, 6:06pm
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I thought spar meant "to practice fighting"? /
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DanielLB
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Sep 4 2012, 6:10pm
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So I assumed
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Faenoriel
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Sep 4 2012, 6:19pm
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Sparring
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dave_lf
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Sep 4 2012, 6:33pm
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I hope they don't change Thranduil's characterization
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Faenoriel
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Sep 4 2012, 6:48pm
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Thranduil
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mandel
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Sep 4 2012, 6:59pm
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I think the comparable character
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Fardragon
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Sep 4 2012, 7:42pm
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It's ok
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DanielLB
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Sep 4 2012, 6:35pm
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I keep forgeting . . .
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TomthePilgrim
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Sep 4 2012, 9:10pm
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"Olet suomalainen" ;) //
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Faenoriel
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Sep 4 2012, 10:22pm
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Ei . . .
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TomthePilgrim
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Sep 4 2012, 11:18pm
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Fathers and sons
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Ruinwen
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Sep 4 2012, 11:12pm
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