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Some speculation about Gandalf on this basis of this article

mandel
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Sep 4 2012, 3:49pm


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Late in the article, it says:

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The movies focus on the journies of three characters: Bilbo Baggins, Thorin Oakenshield, and Gandalf. The panel was very insistent that Thorin will not be portrayed as a supporting character; that is he is absolutely a main character in these films. Bilbo and Thorin's journies have emotional arcs to them, while Gandalf is more plot-heavy.
Now, based on the wording here, it seems to me that the 'journies' of these characters will not simply be literal journeys, but character development arcs.

If this is right, then I wonder, in particular, what Gandalf's character arc will be. It's clear in the novel what the basic character developments are for Bilbo and Thorin, but not so much for Gandalf. What is his character arc going to be for the films?

Here's some speculation. As people have been pointing out in the current Reading Room discussion of TH, in the novel, Gandalf is confident, even flippant and arrogant at times in TH. But in the LOTR, his character is much more somber and serious. One important character arc for him might lie in this change. Encountering the Necromancer and making the sobering discovery that he's Sauron might very well cause a deep change in Gandalf's outlook.

As far as I know, there isn't any indication in Tolkien's work that the Istari know precisely what their tasks are in being sent to Middle-Earth. I can imagine Gandalf, upon discovering that Sauron has returned, undergoing the realization that *this* is his task - that he hasn't been sent to Middle-Earth just to aid in the minor squabbles and trials of its people, but to be a leader in the final battle against the last remnant of Morgoth's rebellion. This indeed would naturally be a character-altering moment for him, and would explain the personality change from TH to LOTR.

Seem plausible?

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Some new(ish) spoilers and snippets DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Sep 4 2012, 2:59pm
    I heard Smaug is going to be about the size of Laketown Carne Send a private message to Carne Sep 4 2012, 3:04pm
        Perhaps the size of a B52 Bomber? Kangi Ska Send a private message to Kangi Ska Sep 4 2012, 3:26pm
            . . . and smaller than the Lonely Mountain! TomthePilgrim Send a private message to TomthePilgrim Sep 4 2012, 4:14pm
        In an interview... mandel Send a private message to mandel Sep 4 2012, 3:30pm
        Well that makes sense... Earl Send a private message to Earl Sep 4 2012, 3:41pm
    Love it all! Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Sep 4 2012, 3:14pm
        Lindir dave_lf Send a private message to dave_lf Sep 4 2012, 3:18pm
            The vlogs show a feast in Rivendell. Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Sep 4 2012, 3:27pm
        The pictures were spectacular// sinister71 Send a private message to sinister71 Sep 5 2012, 3:53pm
            Did you get to see them sinister71?! DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Sep 5 2012, 3:56pm
                yep sinister71 Send a private message to sinister71 Sep 5 2012, 3:59pm
                    That's great news! DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Sep 5 2012, 4:09pm
            I hope they're released soon!// Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Sep 5 2012, 4:43pm
    I like the idea of a poetry reading... dormouse Send a private message to dormouse Sep 4 2012, 3:32pm
        The problem is Voronwë_the_Faithful Send a private message to Voronwë_the_Faithful Sep 4 2012, 3:48pm
            Early form of poetry? DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Sep 4 2012, 4:38pm
            Well, yes.... dormouse Send a private message to dormouse Sep 4 2012, 5:16pm
                What I would really like Voronwë_the_Faithful Send a private message to Voronwë_the_Faithful Sep 4 2012, 5:29pm
                    Oh yes - that really would be good dormouse Send a private message to dormouse Sep 4 2012, 5:56pm
            Agreed Shelob'sAppetite Send a private message to Shelob'sAppetite Sep 4 2012, 5:31pm
                Let's not jump to conclusions Voronwë_the_Faithful Send a private message to Voronwë_the_Faithful Sep 4 2012, 5:35pm
                    Not jumping anywhere Shelob'sAppetite Send a private message to Shelob'sAppetite Sep 5 2012, 12:00am
                        Fair enough Voronwë_the_Faithful Send a private message to Voronwë_the_Faithful Sep 5 2012, 12:12am
                            True Shelob'sAppetite Send a private message to Shelob'sAppetite Sep 5 2012, 12:24am
                                It's explicitly stated - no reading in required Voronwë_the_Faithful Send a private message to Voronwë_the_Faithful Sep 5 2012, 2:04am
                                    Well, I hope you are right Shelob'sAppetite Send a private message to Shelob'sAppetite Sep 5 2012, 4:15am
                                        I hope so too Voronwë_the_Faithful Send a private message to Voronwë_the_Faithful Sep 5 2012, 1:17pm
            Could be 'contemporary' to the time of FOTR Snaga Send a private message to Snaga Sep 5 2012, 7:20pm
    That "poetry reading" needs, I think, different punctuation to make proper sense... Earl Send a private message to Earl Sep 4 2012, 3:43pm
    Some speculation about Gandalf on this basis of this article mandel Send a private message to mandel Sep 4 2012, 3:49pm
        "Plot heavy" Fardragon Send a private message to Fardragon Sep 4 2012, 4:17pm
            Yeah, I know... mandel Send a private message to mandel Sep 4 2012, 4:22pm
        i kind of like that There&ThereAgain Send a private message to There&ThereAgain Sep 4 2012, 5:26pm
            Gandalf's headspace mandel Send a private message to mandel Sep 4 2012, 6:06pm
                I'd love to see that character development in the films FlyingSerkis Send a private message to FlyingSerkis Sep 4 2012, 6:12pm
    Really hope we get to see those pictures soon! Carne Send a private message to Carne Sep 4 2012, 4:49pm
    Thanks for this, DanielLB! Radagast-Aiwendil Send a private message to Radagast-Aiwendil Sep 4 2012, 4:54pm
    Some interesting tidbits HiddenSpring Send a private message to HiddenSpring Sep 4 2012, 5:24pm
    To save having 4 of my threads on one page, I'll put this here DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Sep 4 2012, 6:05pm
        A free Hobbit? DarkJackal Send a private message to DarkJackal Sep 4 2012, 7:27pm
            Haha! A free Hobbit would be a lot better than a poster wouldn't it! DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Sep 4 2012, 7:29pm
        What was that link supposed to be . . . TomthePilgrim Send a private message to TomthePilgrim Sep 4 2012, 9:16pm
            Sorry TomthePilgrim! DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Sep 4 2012, 9:20pm
                Ohhhhhhhh . . . . . . . . . TomthePilgrim Send a private message to TomthePilgrim Sep 4 2012, 9:25pm
        I got my free poster today DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Sep 7 2012, 9:30pm
    One question Faenoriel Send a private message to Faenoriel Sep 4 2012, 6:06pm
        I thought spar meant "to practice fighting"? / DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Sep 4 2012, 6:10pm
            So I assumed Faenoriel Send a private message to Faenoriel Sep 4 2012, 6:19pm
                Sparring dave_lf Send a private message to dave_lf Sep 4 2012, 6:33pm
                    I hope they don't change Thranduil's characterization Faenoriel Send a private message to Faenoriel Sep 4 2012, 6:48pm
                        Thranduil mandel Send a private message to mandel Sep 4 2012, 6:59pm
                            I think the comparable character Fardragon Send a private message to Fardragon Sep 4 2012, 7:42pm
                It's ok DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Sep 4 2012, 6:35pm
                I keep forgeting . . . TomthePilgrim Send a private message to TomthePilgrim Sep 4 2012, 9:10pm
                    "Olet suomalainen" ;) // Faenoriel Send a private message to Faenoriel Sep 4 2012, 10:22pm
                        Ei . . . TomthePilgrim Send a private message to TomthePilgrim Sep 4 2012, 11:18pm
    Fathers and sons Ruinwen Send a private message to Ruinwen Sep 4 2012, 11:12pm

 
 
 

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