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dalecooper
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Sep 3 2012, 10:10pm
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Somewhere between 1 film/2 hours and 3 films/x hours is what I was hoping for.
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Yes, Rankin/Bass did it in 77 minutes with technically just a few major deletions, but if you revisit the movie now (I just did recently to refresh my memory, after the 3 films announcement gave me a major case of sadface) there's a lot of insane compression. Events that should take 15-20 minutes or more are often compressed to, literally, 2 minutes. The slow, funny introduction of all the dwarves and Gandalf that unfolds over several pages in the book is handled in just a couple minutes in RB's version: Gandalf shows up and announces himself with a few sentences, then all the dwarves walk out from behind trees and bushes simultaneously, and seconds later they're chipping glasses and cracking plates. The Battle of Five Armies is abbreviated on the page anyway, far more so than it will be in the new movies, but in RB's take it's the mega Cliff's Notes edition - you could hardly believe that five whole armies could even get in and out of a battle quite that quickly. Beyond all of that, we know the entire Dol Guldur sub-plot will take up quite a lot of screen time. Your mileage may vary on whether that's a good thing, but I resigned myself to the addition long ago; what it means, in any event, is that it's not JUST the text of "The Hobbit" that is going to occupy all three of these movies. I still think three seems like a lot and wonder if it couldn't have been done better and more succinctly in two. Don't suppose I'll know until I see them. But I'm tentatively non-pessimistic about it now, and no longer think Rankin and Bass's 77 minutes is much of a standard at all, considering how choppy and rushed their take was. I have a lot of affection for that movie, but even with the notable subtractions it should have been two hours long, not less than 1.5.
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Critique of The Hobbit trilogy in today's Guardian.
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Spaldron
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Sep 3 2012, 3:32pm
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Not worth taking seriously.
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Elessar
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Sep 3 2012, 3:37pm
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Elessar, I agree with you 100%
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Radagast-Aiwendil
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Sep 3 2012, 3:46pm
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I don't care about the cold hard profit that WB will make
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DanielLB
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Sep 3 2012, 3:37pm
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typical lack of understanding of the book
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Fardragon
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Sep 3 2012, 3:47pm
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Agreed :-)
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DanielLB
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Sep 3 2012, 3:51pm
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It will be created
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GoodGuyA
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Sep 3 2012, 3:59pm
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Wouldn't have the same feel as a real film though ;-) /
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DanielLB
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Sep 3 2012, 4:06pm
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You'd be surprised, my friend
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GoodGuyA
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Sep 3 2012, 4:07pm
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One film Hobbit
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Fardragon
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Sep 3 2012, 4:02pm
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I don't think it would be that bad!
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DanielLB
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Sep 3 2012, 4:07pm
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Rankin/Bass proved that a one-film adaptation could be done...
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Otaku-sempai
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Sep 3 2012, 4:07pm
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Sub plot!
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Fardragon
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Sep 3 2012, 4:13pm
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Welll I'm not suggesting that the Arkenstone should be left out...
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Otaku-sempai
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Sep 3 2012, 4:26pm
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He proved that it's possible to cram everything together into one film
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painjoiker
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Sep 3 2012, 5:11pm
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Well, Rankin/Bass isn't a 'he', it's a 'they'...
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Otaku-sempai
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Sep 3 2012, 5:26pm
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Sorry . . . can't agree.
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TomthePilgrim
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Sep 3 2012, 6:32pm
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You are certainly welcome to your own opinion
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Otaku-sempai
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Sep 3 2012, 6:40pm
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Not a problem . . .
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TomthePilgrim
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Sep 3 2012, 6:52pm
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Somewhere between 1 film/2 hours and 3 films/x hours is what I was hoping for.
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dalecooper
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Sep 3 2012, 10:10pm
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So how long is reasonable for The Hobbit?
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Escapist
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Sep 3 2012, 11:02pm
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How Long
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JWPlatt
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Sep 3 2012, 11:09pm
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Agreed. And I wouldn't even call the absence of the Wood Elves feast a major
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AinurOlorin
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Sep 4 2012, 9:00pm
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"It's not its length that makes it three movies, it's its structure."
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Faenoriel
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Sep 3 2012, 4:12pm
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Totally.
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Buchanicus
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Sep 3 2012, 7:37pm
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Perfect post./
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Patty
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Sep 3 2012, 8:21pm
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3 could be a bonus, or a convuluting distraction. It remains to be seen.
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AinurOlorin
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Sep 4 2012, 8:50pm
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I excepedt long ago that we are no longer just getting The Hobbit
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DanielLB
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Sep 4 2012, 8:58pm
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Well there still seems
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Sep 4 2012, 9:15pm
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I'm not sure I suggested that? /
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DanielLB
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Sep 4 2012, 9:18pm
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It seems that if someone is saying
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Sep 4 2012, 9:26pm
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Ah, the Guardian
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Carne
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Sep 3 2012, 3:42pm
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Good thing
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Ziggy Stardust
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Sep 5 2012, 1:18am
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This article doesn't even mention Tintin. //
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RosieLass
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Sep 5 2012, 4:34am
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I was referring to Carne's post
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Ziggy Stardust
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Sep 5 2012, 7:51pm
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I wouldn't expect anything else from The Grauniad to be honest
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Crunchable Birdses
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Sep 3 2012, 3:55pm
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Haha, this is so true! //
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imin
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Sep 3 2012, 4:25pm
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Groupie Site
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JWPlatt
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Sep 3 2012, 4:11pm
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Ok then...
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Spaldron
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Sep 3 2012, 4:32pm
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This is possibly true -
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geordie
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Sep 3 2012, 5:25pm
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Fan v Groupie
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JWPlatt
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Sep 3 2012, 5:49pm
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I don't disagree with this. //
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geordie
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Sep 3 2012, 6:16pm
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JWPlatt
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Silverlode
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Sep 3 2012, 8:01pm
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Fully agreed with Silverlode
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macfalk
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Sep 4 2012, 12:10pm
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creative stagnation?
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Elenorflower
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Sep 4 2012, 12:22pm
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Agree
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Olo Overhill
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Sep 4 2012, 4:05pm
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Pssst, Elenorflower...
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Ataahua
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Sep 4 2012, 7:32pm
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Hmmmmm
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Sep 3 2012, 4:19pm
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Or, to paraphrase:
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Fardragon
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Sep 3 2012, 4:22pm
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That Dude did say he might have to eat hizz Words..
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Bombadil
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Sep 3 2012, 4:27pm
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Yes, I was irked by that -
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geordie
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Sep 3 2012, 5:33pm
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Actually, he did!
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sharpened_graphite
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Sep 3 2012, 7:26pm
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Haha
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Sep 3 2012, 7:44pm
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I heard 'The New Shadow' -
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geordie
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Sep 3 2012, 8:05pm
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How exciting!
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Ardamírë
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Sep 3 2012, 8:13pm
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Are you serious?
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Ziggy Stardust
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Sep 5 2012, 1:28am
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So they've seen the movies already. Lucky them!...
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Maiarmike
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Sep 3 2012, 5:23pm
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We had cinema Critic here that was Such a waste of time
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Bombadil
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Sep 3 2012, 5:40pm
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People like this don't deserve the title 'critic'
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mandel
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Sep 3 2012, 6:33pm
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I have no interest to choose to spend any time reading the article.
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Escapist
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Sep 3 2012, 6:35pm
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One short book does not nessecarily interpret as one short movie....
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Dlanor da Great
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Sep 3 2012, 6:50pm
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A target of convenience
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SirDennisC
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Sep 3 2012, 7:40pm
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But this (prospective backlash)
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Sunflower
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Sep 5 2012, 1:14am
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And? And?
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SirDennisC
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Sep 5 2012, 1:40am
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Backlash
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JWPlatt
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Sep 5 2012, 2:51am
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Heroes
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Sunflower
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Sep 5 2012, 10:16am
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LOL....
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Sunflower
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Sep 5 2012, 10:03am
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Waste of time
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Noria
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Sep 3 2012, 7:46pm
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Pure speculation
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Silverlode
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Sep 3 2012, 8:13pm
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Though I don't agree with the author's general point
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Sep 3 2012, 8:29pm
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I'm glad to hear that it wasn't all as negative sounding as the excerpt in the original post.
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Escapist
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Sep 3 2012, 8:46pm
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I don't wish to hear that which may be disagreeable, particularly if it's right...
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Morthoron
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Sep 3 2012, 9:57pm
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That doesn't appear to be the point of the article at all.
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Sep 3 2012, 10:24pm
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You skipped an entire germane paragraph...
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Morthoron
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Sep 3 2012, 10:42pm
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That's not his critique
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Sep 3 2012, 10:49pm
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Misstatement of fact...
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Otaku-sempai
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Sep 4 2012, 7:13pm
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actually
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Fardragon
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Sep 4 2012, 7:54pm
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Which is exactly what some people will understandably object to.
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AinurOlorin
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Sep 4 2012, 9:27pm
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(Literary) Devices
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JWPlatt
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Sep 4 2012, 10:13pm
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I would disagree about their reluctance. Doubtless, by now, they know the fickle ways of Djinn
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AinurOlorin
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Sep 4 2012, 11:24pm
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How long will these films run?
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morgenstern
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Sep 4 2012, 2:54pm
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His argument doesn't make sense to me.
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Istaris'staffs
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Sep 3 2012, 9:44pm
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why three? differing motivations from differing camps
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Demosthenes
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Sep 4 2012, 12:13am
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Controversial agreement...
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Bound
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Sep 4 2012, 8:34am
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Not really the point
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Fardragon
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Sep 4 2012, 9:45am
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...
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Bound
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Sep 4 2012, 12:45pm
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I agree to an extent Bound
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SirDennisC
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Sep 4 2012, 1:21pm
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Totally agree
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Bound
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Sep 4 2012, 1:38pm
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There will probably be a lot of that sort of thing this time around
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dave_lf
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Sep 4 2012, 12:39pm
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The gripes that this is only "speculation" are pointless.
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RosieLass
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Sep 4 2012, 3:07pm
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And if you aren't going to read the whole article...
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RosieLass
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Sep 4 2012, 3:10pm
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Not all speculation is groundless
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Fardragon
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Sep 4 2012, 4:08pm
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It's an opinion piece.
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RosieLass
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Sep 4 2012, 4:17pm
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Only one false assumption is required to invalidate a thesis
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Fardragon
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Sep 4 2012, 4:24pm
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A bit late.
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Spaldron
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Sep 4 2012, 3:36pm
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People seem to be forgetting about the LENGTH of the LotR movies...
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SteveDJ
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Sep 4 2012, 6:30pm
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creative team
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Elenorflower
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Sep 5 2012, 8:41pm
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Darn, I came late to this thread and everbody has just about said it all
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Snaga
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Sep 4 2012, 10:38pm
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