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Morthoron
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Sep 3 2012, 9:57pm
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I don't wish to hear that which may be disagreeable, particularly if it's right...
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The author brings up several valid points. The concerns that Jackson may be milking the franchise and using the appendix to the Lord of the Rings as a sandbox for 3-D saturated epic overkill are ones shared by other Tolkien fans, including myself. To be honest, one film may require cuts to the original story that many folks may dearly miss. Two films would surely encompass the whole original plot in grand style; however, given Jackson's track record, one should suspect that two films would find PJ diddling about with absurd plot twists as found in the 3 LotR movies. But three films? I find myself paraphrasing the awkward and whiny quote by Elrond in FotR that things are being stretched a bit too th-i-i-i-i-n-n-n. A simple, linear story is being elongated and pulled out of shape in order to add baggage that may render the main plot insubstantial. Rather than seeing The Hobbit, we may get the "The No-bbit: An Unexpected Journey into Subplot Hell". I don't agree with everything the author says. His comment that Tolkien "seems to have created the idealised past of Middle Earth in order to escape a confusing present", is incredibly misinformed and downright silly. And I don't believe that "Jackson is running entirely on empty, pushing this side project to ridiculous extremes because he has nothing else to offer". But I do agree that Jackson's other efforts since making his award-winning LotR films have been sub-par (I cringe at seeing Jack Black in King Kong, The Lovely Bones was passably interesting with some nice effects and suspense, and I didn't care for the look of Tin-Tin at all). And the overarching point of the piece, that Hollywood is sequalizing books to cinematic death in order to take the pennies off the eyes of the dead, is valid as well. It may not be because the critic is negative and sees the glass as half full; on the contrary, the concern may be that too much is poured into the glass and it spills all over your carpet.
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Critique of The Hobbit trilogy in today's Guardian.
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Spaldron
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Sep 3 2012, 3:32pm
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Not worth taking seriously.
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Elessar
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Sep 3 2012, 3:37pm
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Elessar, I agree with you 100%
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Radagast-Aiwendil
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Sep 3 2012, 3:46pm
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I don't care about the cold hard profit that WB will make
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DanielLB
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Sep 3 2012, 3:37pm
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typical lack of understanding of the book
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Fardragon
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Sep 3 2012, 3:47pm
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Agreed :-)
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DanielLB
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Sep 3 2012, 3:51pm
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It will be created
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GoodGuyA
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Sep 3 2012, 3:59pm
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Wouldn't have the same feel as a real film though ;-) /
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DanielLB
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Sep 3 2012, 4:06pm
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You'd be surprised, my friend
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GoodGuyA
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Sep 3 2012, 4:07pm
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One film Hobbit
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Fardragon
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Sep 3 2012, 4:02pm
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I don't think it would be that bad!
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DanielLB
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Sep 3 2012, 4:07pm
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Rankin/Bass proved that a one-film adaptation could be done...
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Otaku-sempai
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Sep 3 2012, 4:07pm
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Sub plot!
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Fardragon
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Sep 3 2012, 4:13pm
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Welll I'm not suggesting that the Arkenstone should be left out...
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Otaku-sempai
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Sep 3 2012, 4:26pm
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He proved that it's possible to cram everything together into one film
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painjoiker
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Sep 3 2012, 5:11pm
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Well, Rankin/Bass isn't a 'he', it's a 'they'...
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Otaku-sempai
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Sep 3 2012, 5:26pm
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Sorry . . . can't agree.
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TomthePilgrim
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Sep 3 2012, 6:32pm
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You are certainly welcome to your own opinion
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Otaku-sempai
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Sep 3 2012, 6:40pm
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Not a problem . . .
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TomthePilgrim
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Sep 3 2012, 6:52pm
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Somewhere between 1 film/2 hours and 3 films/x hours is what I was hoping for.
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dalecooper
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Sep 3 2012, 10:10pm
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So how long is reasonable for The Hobbit?
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Escapist
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Sep 3 2012, 11:02pm
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How Long
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JWPlatt
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Sep 3 2012, 11:09pm
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Agreed. And I wouldn't even call the absence of the Wood Elves feast a major
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AinurOlorin
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Sep 4 2012, 9:00pm
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"It's not its length that makes it three movies, it's its structure."
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Faenoriel
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Sep 3 2012, 4:12pm
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Totally.
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Buchanicus
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Sep 3 2012, 7:37pm
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Perfect post./
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Patty
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Sep 3 2012, 8:21pm
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3 could be a bonus, or a convuluting distraction. It remains to be seen.
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AinurOlorin
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Sep 4 2012, 8:50pm
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I excepedt long ago that we are no longer just getting The Hobbit
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DanielLB
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Sep 4 2012, 8:58pm
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Well there still seems
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Sep 4 2012, 9:15pm
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I'm not sure I suggested that? /
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DanielLB
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Sep 4 2012, 9:18pm
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It seems that if someone is saying
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Sep 4 2012, 9:26pm
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Ah, the Guardian
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Carne
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Sep 3 2012, 3:42pm
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Good thing
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Ziggy Stardust
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Sep 5 2012, 1:18am
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This article doesn't even mention Tintin. //
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RosieLass
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Sep 5 2012, 4:34am
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I was referring to Carne's post
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Ziggy Stardust
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Sep 5 2012, 7:51pm
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I wouldn't expect anything else from The Grauniad to be honest
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Crunchable Birdses
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Sep 3 2012, 3:55pm
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Haha, this is so true! //
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imin
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Sep 3 2012, 4:25pm
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Groupie Site
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JWPlatt
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Sep 3 2012, 4:11pm
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Ok then...
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Spaldron
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Sep 3 2012, 4:32pm
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This is possibly true -
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geordie
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Sep 3 2012, 5:25pm
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Fan v Groupie
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JWPlatt
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Sep 3 2012, 5:49pm
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I don't disagree with this. //
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geordie
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Sep 3 2012, 6:16pm
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JWPlatt
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Silverlode
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Sep 3 2012, 8:01pm
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Fully agreed with Silverlode
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macfalk
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Sep 4 2012, 12:10pm
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creative stagnation?
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Elenorflower
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Sep 4 2012, 12:22pm
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Agree
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Olo Overhill
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Sep 4 2012, 4:05pm
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Pssst, Elenorflower...
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Ataahua
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Sep 4 2012, 7:32pm
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Hmmmmm
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Sep 3 2012, 4:19pm
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Or, to paraphrase:
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Fardragon
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Sep 3 2012, 4:22pm
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That Dude did say he might have to eat hizz Words..
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Bombadil
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Sep 3 2012, 4:27pm
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Yes, I was irked by that -
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geordie
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Sep 3 2012, 5:33pm
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Actually, he did!
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sharpened_graphite
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Sep 3 2012, 7:26pm
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Haha
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Sep 3 2012, 7:44pm
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I heard 'The New Shadow' -
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geordie
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Sep 3 2012, 8:05pm
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How exciting!
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Ardamírë
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Sep 3 2012, 8:13pm
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Are you serious?
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Ziggy Stardust
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Sep 5 2012, 1:28am
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So they've seen the movies already. Lucky them!...
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Maiarmike
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Sep 3 2012, 5:23pm
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We had cinema Critic here that was Such a waste of time
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Bombadil
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Sep 3 2012, 5:40pm
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People like this don't deserve the title 'critic'
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mandel
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Sep 3 2012, 6:33pm
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I have no interest to choose to spend any time reading the article.
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Escapist
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Sep 3 2012, 6:35pm
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One short book does not nessecarily interpret as one short movie....
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Dlanor da Great
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Sep 3 2012, 6:50pm
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A target of convenience
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SirDennisC
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Sep 3 2012, 7:40pm
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But this (prospective backlash)
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Sunflower
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Sep 5 2012, 1:14am
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And? And?
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SirDennisC
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Sep 5 2012, 1:40am
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Backlash
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JWPlatt
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Sep 5 2012, 2:51am
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Heroes
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Sunflower
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Sep 5 2012, 10:16am
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LOL....
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Sunflower
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Sep 5 2012, 10:03am
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Waste of time
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Noria
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Sep 3 2012, 7:46pm
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Pure speculation
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Silverlode
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Sep 3 2012, 8:13pm
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Though I don't agree with the author's general point
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Sep 3 2012, 8:29pm
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I'm glad to hear that it wasn't all as negative sounding as the excerpt in the original post.
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Escapist
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Sep 3 2012, 8:46pm
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I don't wish to hear that which may be disagreeable, particularly if it's right...
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Morthoron
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Sep 3 2012, 9:57pm
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That doesn't appear to be the point of the article at all.
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Sep 3 2012, 10:24pm
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You skipped an entire germane paragraph...
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Morthoron
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Sep 3 2012, 10:42pm
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That's not his critique
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Sep 3 2012, 10:49pm
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Misstatement of fact...
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Otaku-sempai
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Sep 4 2012, 7:13pm
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actually
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Fardragon
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Sep 4 2012, 7:54pm
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Which is exactly what some people will understandably object to.
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AinurOlorin
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Sep 4 2012, 9:27pm
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(Literary) Devices
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JWPlatt
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Sep 4 2012, 10:13pm
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I would disagree about their reluctance. Doubtless, by now, they know the fickle ways of Djinn
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AinurOlorin
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Sep 4 2012, 11:24pm
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How long will these films run?
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morgenstern
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Sep 4 2012, 2:54pm
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His argument doesn't make sense to me.
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Istaris'staffs
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Sep 3 2012, 9:44pm
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why three? differing motivations from differing camps
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Demosthenes
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Sep 4 2012, 12:13am
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Controversial agreement...
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Bound
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Sep 4 2012, 8:34am
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Not really the point
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Fardragon
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Sep 4 2012, 9:45am
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...
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Bound
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Sep 4 2012, 12:45pm
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I agree to an extent Bound
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SirDennisC
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Sep 4 2012, 1:21pm
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Totally agree
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Bound
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Sep 4 2012, 1:38pm
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There will probably be a lot of that sort of thing this time around
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dave_lf
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Sep 4 2012, 12:39pm
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The gripes that this is only "speculation" are pointless.
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RosieLass
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Sep 4 2012, 3:07pm
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And if you aren't going to read the whole article...
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RosieLass
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Sep 4 2012, 3:10pm
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Not all speculation is groundless
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Fardragon
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Sep 4 2012, 4:08pm
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It's an opinion piece.
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RosieLass
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Sep 4 2012, 4:17pm
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Only one false assumption is required to invalidate a thesis
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Fardragon
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Sep 4 2012, 4:24pm
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A bit late.
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Spaldron
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Sep 4 2012, 3:36pm
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People seem to be forgetting about the LENGTH of the LotR movies...
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SteveDJ
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Sep 4 2012, 6:30pm
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creative team
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Elenorflower
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Sep 5 2012, 8:41pm
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Darn, I came late to this thread and everbody has just about said it all
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Snaga
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Sep 4 2012, 10:38pm
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