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Sep 2 2012, 6:45pm

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How did Beorn know the stream was enchanted?
Mirkwood is on his doorstep.
And maybe Radagast told him?

How did he (or Gandalf) exect the party to get across it?
Luck and courage. And they might have knoen there were boats.

Who built the bridge and why has it not been repaired?

The woodmen, before moving out near the Mountains.
It says something about Morkwood, if they prefer the Wargs and goblins as neighbours.

Shouldn't there be at least a small break in the trees over a 36-foot wide river, sufficient to let in enough light to see across it during the day?

Probably. But this does not seem to be a realistic forest.

What color is the boat?

Should be something bright - if the owners wanted not to miss it!

If Dori is the strongest (and how do you supposed that was determined), why doesn't he help when the boat is stuck and four dwarves work to pull it free?

Ah... I always wondered how he felt upon being sidelined for Fili. Maybe he just didn't feel like it?

When the rope holding the boat fast breaks, "suddenly they all fell over on their backs". Is the reader meant to compare this moment and Bombur's stumble on the far bank to the pile of dwarves on Bilbo's porch?

I don't think so. It's just reusing a comic moment.

Do Gloin and Gimli have to cross this stream when they journey to Rivendell seeking Elrond's counsel in The Lord of the Rings?

Probably. But how?

There aren't any oars, so the dwarves rig two pull-lines. How do the boat's regular passengers cross?

Maybe they take the oars out, against thieves?

Is the catastrophe of Bombur's dunking Thorin's fault, for prophesying that "something bad" would happen if Bombur continued to grumble? Bombur's, for grumbling?

Do you always blame prophets?
However, this sounded just like a warning.

Would "something bad" have occured had Bombur not grumbled?
I expect he didn't pay enough attention to security, being morose.

Does Tolkien mean to suggest that the hart is not a deer when he first describes it as "the shape of a flying deer"? (Emphasis added.)

Sure. Like the Balrog had no wings.

"Thorin was the only one who had kept his feet and his wits" -- and yet it does our heroes no good. Why?

We are not supposed to realise that Thorin is an excellent leader. We should resent him, in order to take the right side once Bilbo betrays him.

Further thoughts on this section?

Dwalin always seemed a responsible dwarf to me. Why did he leave the boat before securing the luggage, and making sure Bombur was safe?

"When light finally begins to come into our lives after a long darkness, only to reveal that one has still farther to go, what various ways might one react?"
- Dreamdeer

The weekly discussion of The Hobbit is back. Join us in the Reading Room for a somewhat less clever discussion of Flies and Spiders!

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** Flies and Spiders: 2. "a dreadful wail from Bilbo put all thoughts of venison out of their minds" ** N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Sep 1 2012, 9:56pm
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    " 'And light are their feet,' muttered the dwarf under his breath. " dernwyn Send a private message to dernwyn Sep 7 2012, 1:40am
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