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Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor
Aug 24 2012, 11:07pm
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Philippa seems like a perfectly smart and wonderful woman
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So, there's no hate there. I just question the judgment of PJ and company for bringing her on to co-write the scripts. She had zero experience as a screenwriter, and no credits to her name. And IMO, it showed. Yes, there are hundreds of "experienced hacks" in Hollywood, but there are also excellent writers that could have been given a shot. Dramatic reversals indeed!
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Discuss Ostadan's 'Jackson Hobbit: Too Much?'
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calisuri
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Aug 23 2012, 8:26pm
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Thank you for writing this... I agree with just about all of it, and I think stretching the story out to three films will just exacerbate the problem. //
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acheron
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Aug 23 2012, 8:43pm
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Agree with everything said in here!!!!!!
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Sinister71
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Aug 23 2012, 8:59pm
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Interesting read - can't say I agree with all of it though.
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DanielLB
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Aug 23 2012, 9:02pm
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IMO...
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redgiraffe
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Aug 24 2012, 12:40am
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Completely agree
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DanielLB
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Aug 24 2012, 9:29am
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Yes,
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Ruinwen
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Aug 24 2012, 9:42am
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His own work?
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stoutfiles
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Aug 24 2012, 1:32pm
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Best of both
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Olo Overhill
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Aug 24 2012, 2:09pm
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I will be going to see the film, and I will surely enjoy much of the content, HOWEVER
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AinurOlorin
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Aug 24 2012, 6:40pm
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I will go and almost certainly love the Hobbit movie, but...
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NottaSackville
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Aug 23 2012, 9:06pm
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Prediction
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JWPlatt
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Aug 23 2012, 9:08pm
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Unless they add a green tint ... then you won't purchase it ;-) /
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DanielLB
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Aug 23 2012, 9:39pm
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The Green Tint
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JWPlatt
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Aug 23 2012, 9:53pm
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You are never going to let that drop, are you? :)//
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Milknut
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Aug 24 2012, 1:55am
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No
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JWPlatt
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Aug 24 2012, 2:21am
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Thank you for posting this . . .
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TomthePilgrim
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Aug 23 2012, 9:26pm
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Strongly disagree
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thirdeblue
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Aug 23 2012, 9:39pm
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No
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JWPlatt
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Aug 23 2012, 9:45pm
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OT I know, but. . .
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hamlet
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Aug 24 2012, 1:38am
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Yep
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JWPlatt
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Aug 24 2012, 2:13am
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Joe Cocker's version of "With a little help from my friends"
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TheBeerBaron
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Aug 24 2012, 6:17am
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True . . .
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TomthePilgrim
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Aug 24 2012, 2:31pm
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Joe Cocker
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JWPlatt
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Aug 24 2012, 3:25pm
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Any cover of Bob Dylan
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Owlyross
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Aug 24 2012, 2:57pm
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Check out Colin James . . .
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TomthePilgrim
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Aug 24 2012, 3:27pm
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Sizzla
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
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Aug 24 2012, 5:56pm
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Amen
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Aug 24 2012, 5:57pm
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How cool!
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
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Aug 24 2012, 8:37pm
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Agreed!!!
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BlackCountry
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Aug 25 2012, 1:12pm
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Could not agree more!
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adnan
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Aug 24 2012, 1:16pm
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What do you mean by this?
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imin
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Aug 24 2012, 2:34pm
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Let me clarify that then.
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thirdeblue
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Aug 25 2012, 12:54pm
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Wait
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Aug 25 2012, 7:25pm
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Denethor
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thirdeblue
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Aug 28 2012, 1:55pm
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I agree 100%.
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RosieLass
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Aug 23 2012, 9:45pm
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I honestly don't mind most of these additions
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Carne
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Aug 23 2012, 9:52pm
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No compelling reason?
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Pipe Dream
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Aug 23 2012, 10:07pm
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Oh how wrong you are...
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Milknut
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Aug 24 2012, 1:52am
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It's not the icing's fault if the cake is a lie.
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Pipe Dream
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Aug 24 2012, 7:18am
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I'm not sure I get your metaphor
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Milknut
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Aug 24 2012, 3:32pm
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I'm sorry
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There&ThereAgain
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Aug 23 2012, 10:15pm
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Agree with the piece
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Aug 23 2012, 10:16pm
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hmm very interesting
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imin
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Aug 23 2012, 10:23pm
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FANTASTIC article, but
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DesiringDragons
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Aug 23 2012, 10:33pm
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The Hobbit
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burgahobbit
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Aug 23 2012, 10:43pm
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Well, we all make choices.
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Kangi Ska
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Aug 23 2012, 10:50pm
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Well, yes and no for me....
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dormouse
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Aug 23 2012, 11:01pm
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I fully agree with this post. //
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Maiarmike
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Aug 24 2012, 1:17am
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Fully agreed with Dormouse //
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macfalk
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Aug 24 2012, 2:03pm
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Hobbit
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Snowghost77
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Aug 23 2012, 11:04pm
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Expression
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JWPlatt
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Aug 23 2012, 11:07pm
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As far as I know...
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RosieLass
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Aug 23 2012, 11:08pm
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Hobbit
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Snowghost77
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Aug 23 2012, 11:26pm
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But a well-reasoned article is interesting to read
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DesiringDragons
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Aug 23 2012, 11:36pm
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Irony
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JWPlatt
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Aug 24 2012, 1:20am
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Irony
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Snowghost77
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Aug 24 2012, 2:00am
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Got It
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JWPlatt
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Aug 24 2012, 2:26am
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Irony
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Snowghost77
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Aug 24 2012, 6:42pm
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Complaints and criticisms can make for very interesting discussion,
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AinurOlorin
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Aug 24 2012, 6:54pm
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Speaking of negative...
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Intergalactic Lawman
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Aug 23 2012, 11:54pm
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Agreed as well
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redgiraffe
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Aug 24 2012, 12:17am
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I think he's taking Jackson's statements too literally - Still a good article though
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kzer_za
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Aug 23 2012, 11:28pm
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You could cut the movies and make your own version of the Hobbit, More close to the book, so why complain?
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Mr. Arkenstone (isaac)
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Aug 24 2012, 2:04pm
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No need to shout
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entmaiden
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Aug 24 2012, 4:34pm
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Oh dear!
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Mr. Arkenstone (isaac)
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Aug 24 2012, 7:58pm
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The Hobbit - Seamless Branch
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JWPlatt
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Aug 24 2012, 4:48pm
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Patience apparently is not a virtue
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Tim
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Aug 23 2012, 11:37pm
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This is a forum for hardcore fans. Speculation is part of what we do //
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kzer_za
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Aug 23 2012, 11:41pm
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Who you callin' hardcore?
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Kangi Ska
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Aug 23 2012, 11:51pm
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I AM NOT kept in Ward 51 . . .
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TomthePilgrim
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Aug 24 2012, 12:21am
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This is the post I agree with the most
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redgiraffe
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Aug 24 2012, 12:14am
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The OP was pure rubbish.
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Black Breathalizer
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Aug 24 2012, 12:59am
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Absolutely agree...
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Compa_Mighty
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Aug 24 2012, 12:03am
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Word
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Snowghost77
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Aug 24 2012, 12:11am
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Only a new cast with a completely new production could have done what you argue for...
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Unspoken_Request
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Aug 24 2012, 12:34am
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This was an interesting article
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Ziggy Stardust
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Aug 24 2012, 12:46am
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Oooh, another post about how Jackson doesn't know what he's doing on these movies...
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Maiarmike
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Aug 24 2012, 1:15am
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I find it consistently astounding
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Aug 24 2012, 1:26am
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Are we reading the same post?
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Milknut
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Aug 24 2012, 1:55am
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I disagree.
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Istaris'staffs
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Aug 24 2012, 1:46am
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Istaris'staffs NAILED it. Well said.
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Black Breathalizer
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Aug 24 2012, 1:58am
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Yes he did
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Boulderfist
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Aug 24 2012, 2:28am
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well said
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Lindele
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Aug 24 2012, 2:15pm
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thoughtful article, but I disagree.
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lyndomiel
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Aug 24 2012, 2:47am
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Well said!
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Buchanicus
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Aug 24 2012, 4:00am
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Someone had a great post in the comments section of the article
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Buchanicus
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Aug 24 2012, 4:02am
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Outstanding!
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Boulderfist
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Aug 24 2012, 4:12am
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This was amazing
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Junesong
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Aug 24 2012, 4:20am
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Thanks Buchanicus for this excellent re-post!
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lyndomiel
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Aug 24 2012, 11:29am
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Some of the changes in LotR make no sense, even ignoring the book.
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Zubeneschamali
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Aug 24 2012, 2:21pm
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Not quite fair, IMO
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Aug 24 2012, 2:27pm
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well
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Lusitano
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Aug 24 2012, 5:16pm
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So
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Kangi Ska
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Aug 24 2012, 6:54pm
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He decided to let Christopher Tolkien answer those questions :P //
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imin
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Aug 24 2012, 6:55pm
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LOL
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lyndomiel
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Aug 24 2012, 7:01pm
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Well said, Lyndomiel
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redgiraffe
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Aug 24 2012, 4:53am
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redgiraffe I have a reply to your siggy
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Tim
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Aug 24 2012, 7:43am
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LOL
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redgiraffe
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Aug 24 2012, 10:46am
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Yes - and ...
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lyndomiel
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Aug 24 2012, 4:00pm
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You assume that every cut was based on time constraints or the need to make the story flow
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AinurOlorin
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Aug 24 2012, 7:37pm
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it is a fait accomplit
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lyndomiel
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Aug 24 2012, 9:20pm
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so basically you want the animated film turned into a...
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MouthofSauron
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Aug 24 2012, 5:22am
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What Tolkien "should have done"?? The Hobbit the way it "should have been"???
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RosieLass
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Aug 24 2012, 6:37am
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actually....
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MouthofSauron
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Aug 24 2012, 7:35am
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Posted on the article, now here
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Owlyross
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Aug 24 2012, 12:57pm
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You may want to go back
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Aug 24 2012, 2:07pm
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No revisionism here
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Owlyross
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Aug 24 2012, 2:40pm
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Understood
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Aug 24 2012, 2:47pm
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I can see where both of you are coming from
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imin
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Aug 24 2012, 2:52pm
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I read The Hobbit first
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Owlyross
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Aug 24 2012, 3:04pm
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Seriously?
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Lindele
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Aug 24 2012, 2:14pm
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The author said nothing about PJ "not having the right"
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Aug 24 2012, 2:22pm
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My problem
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Lindele
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Aug 24 2012, 2:40pm
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My thought exactly . . .
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TomthePilgrim
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Aug 24 2012, 2:52pm
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That's my hope as well!
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Aug 24 2012, 2:57pm
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I said I was done . . .
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TomthePilgrim
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Aug 24 2012, 3:32pm
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PJ's goodwill with fans
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pettytyrant101
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Aug 24 2012, 2:53pm
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yeah, it's obvious
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Lindele
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Aug 24 2012, 3:07pm
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I think to a degree he has to be
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pettytyrant101
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Aug 24 2012, 3:28pm
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The Coven
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JWPlatt
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Aug 24 2012, 3:32pm
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Bit harsh but you're almost correct.
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Spaldron
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Aug 24 2012, 3:45pm
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Humor
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JWPlatt
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Aug 24 2012, 4:05pm
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Boyens is the worst, IMO
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Aug 24 2012, 3:52pm
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Ohhhhhhhh . . . . . . . . .
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TomthePilgrim
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Aug 24 2012, 4:04pm
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Ditto..,
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lyndomiel
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Aug 24 2012, 4:25pm
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Perhaps
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Aug 24 2012, 5:47pm
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Yes..... and its just personal preferences
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lyndomiel
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Aug 24 2012, 6:57pm
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IMO
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Aug 24 2012, 7:29pm
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IIRC
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geordie
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Aug 24 2012, 7:48pm
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If that is true
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Aug 24 2012, 10:53pm
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I've tried to find the original article
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geordie
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Aug 25 2012, 11:09am
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Just to add....
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dormouse
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Aug 25 2012, 11:23am
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Hi, Dormouse -
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geordie
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Aug 25 2012, 11:36am
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Hello geordie...
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dormouse
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Aug 25 2012, 1:07pm
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I'm back -
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geordie
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Aug 25 2012, 2:03pm
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Ah.... well...
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dormouse
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Aug 25 2012, 2:28pm
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Well I have a somewhat jaundiced view -
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geordie
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Aug 25 2012, 2:54pm
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Well, OK....
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dormouse
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Aug 25 2012, 4:18pm
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Excellent post, dormouse //
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macfalk
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Aug 25 2012, 4:34pm
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On a (fairly) unrelated note -
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geordie
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Aug 25 2012, 4:40pm
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Really great post here Dormouse
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imin
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Aug 25 2012, 4:47pm
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I'll take it that you mean it sincerely -
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geordie
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Aug 25 2012, 5:20pm
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Yeah i meant it :)
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imin
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Aug 25 2012, 5:54pm
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I thought as much -
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geordie
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Aug 25 2012, 6:14pm
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I know about your collection from the other site as well :) //
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imin
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Aug 25 2012, 6:46pm
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Oh! ah... well, then...
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geordie
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Aug 25 2012, 6:51pm
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Just going back to pJ's claims again -
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geordie
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Aug 25 2012, 5:17pm
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"Changing the Law"
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macfalk
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Aug 25 2012, 6:01pm
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There are so many ways to tell a story.
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lyndomiel
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Aug 25 2012, 6:11pm
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That's a point
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geordie
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Aug 25 2012, 6:30pm
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Dwarvish, dwarven, elven, elfish etc
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macfalk
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Aug 25 2012, 6:35pm
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It's not just you -
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geordie
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Aug 25 2012, 6:54pm
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Oops
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lyndomiel
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Aug 25 2012, 7:32pm
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Yes and no -
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geordie
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Aug 25 2012, 8:22pm
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Not at all. I appreciate your encyclopedic brain.
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lyndomiel
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Aug 25 2012, 10:21pm
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Thanks
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geordie
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Aug 27 2012, 11:06am
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I wish this was relevant to me
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Aug 25 2012, 7:30pm
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This is largely due
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Aug 25 2012, 7:31pm
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It does seem that Boyens had more writing experience than I suggested
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Aug 25 2012, 7:28pm
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What's wrong with being a rookie?
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macfalk
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Aug 25 2012, 7:30pm
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Any idea where this interview might be?
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DanielLB
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Aug 24 2012, 10:56pm
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Hi, daniel,
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geordie
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Aug 25 2012, 10:49am
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Not to worry geordie :-)
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DanielLB
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Aug 25 2012, 11:58am
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However
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geordie
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Aug 27 2012, 8:59am
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I think
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Jettorex
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Aug 24 2012, 8:31pm
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Dogma
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JWPlatt
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Aug 24 2012, 8:52pm
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That argument isn't likely to gain you any ground with this crowd...
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Aragorn the Elfstone
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Aug 24 2012, 11:03pm
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Philippa seems like a perfectly smart and wonderful woman
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Aug 24 2012, 11:07pm
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IMO PJ & Fran's picking of her definitely showed...
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Aragorn the Elfstone
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Aug 24 2012, 11:25pm
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Question away
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Tim
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Aug 24 2012, 11:32pm
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It's funny
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Istaris'staffs
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Aug 25 2012, 1:14am
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thank you
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MouthofSauron
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Aug 25 2012, 1:22am
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Your O is your O, Shelob'sAppetite....
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dormouse
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Aug 25 2012, 11:15am
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Dramatic Reversal & Growth
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JWPlatt
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Aug 24 2012, 4:22pm
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Just to be clear,
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Escapist
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Aug 24 2012, 11:57pm
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The script was one the weakest parts of the LOTR films.
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RosieLass
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Aug 25 2012, 12:51am
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how many times do you guys have to be reminded of this Fact
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MouthofSauron
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Aug 25 2012, 1:10am
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And how many times do YOU have to be reminded of this fact?
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RosieLass
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Aug 25 2012, 1:13am
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It doesn't surprise me terribly
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Escapist
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Aug 25 2012, 1:25am
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About this...
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Spaldron
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Aug 25 2012, 3:10am
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When you say the Gollum/Smeagol schizo scene -
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geordie
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Aug 25 2012, 11:56am
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thats in TTT
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Sinister71
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Aug 25 2012, 9:02pm
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The old you want the book on film argument again, oh dear
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pettytyrant101
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Aug 25 2012, 1:34am
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you have a voice, yes of course
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MouthofSauron
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Aug 25 2012, 1:41am
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While Peter certainly deserves credit, I think it does some disservice to
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AinurOlorin
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Aug 25 2012, 2:04am
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I definitely don't agree with that.
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Aragorn the Elfstone
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Aug 25 2012, 2:51am
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But a live action Tolkien film had never been tried before
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Aug 25 2012, 3:16am
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I maintain my position.
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Aragorn the Elfstone
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Aug 25 2012, 3:19am
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Not unthinkable when the film in question was The Lord of The Rings. Also, the demographic of The Acadamy
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AinurOlorin
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Aug 25 2012, 3:18am
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Is that the same demographic...
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Aragorn the Elfstone
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Aug 25 2012, 3:29am
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Yes. It is. They did not grow up on James Cameron's Avatar. It does not have the same
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AinurOlorin
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Aug 25 2012, 4:07am
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Excellently stated. The second paragraph is especially accurate.
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AinurOlorin
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Aug 25 2012, 1:42am
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That is not a coverall excuse.
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AinurOlorin
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Aug 25 2012, 1:39am
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I believe the scipt was one of the strongest parts of these films...
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Aragorn the Elfstone
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Aug 25 2012, 2:05am
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Doing the job
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Tim
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Aug 25 2012, 2:41am
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Why pull any punches?
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RosieLass
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Aug 25 2012, 4:16am
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There's no punch to pull
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Tim
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Aug 25 2012, 9:03am
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Yes!
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Eowyn of Penns Woods
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Aug 25 2012, 2:39am
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As noone has revealed what parts of the script she is most responsible for
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Aug 25 2012, 3:12am
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Can't say I agree with this
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Spaldron
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Aug 24 2012, 3:11pm
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EXACTLY
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Lindele
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Aug 24 2012, 3:13pm
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So it is unprofessional
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Aug 24 2012, 3:47pm
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you seem to be
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Lindele
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Aug 24 2012, 4:20pm
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Groupies
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JWPlatt
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Aug 24 2012, 4:12pm
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my comment
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Lindele
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Aug 24 2012, 4:33pm
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And look! More groupie bread.
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JWPlatt
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Aug 24 2012, 4:42pm
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his arguments are his opinion
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Sinister71
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Aug 24 2012, 4:52pm
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well if you go back
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Lindele
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Aug 24 2012, 5:46pm
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I really don't understand that . . .
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TomthePilgrim
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Aug 24 2012, 4:51pm
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I'm afraid I'll have to agree with JWPlatt.
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TomthePilgrim
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Aug 24 2012, 4:58pm
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hmmmm,
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Lindele
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Aug 24 2012, 5:44pm
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well maybe its unprofessional then
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Sinister71
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Aug 24 2012, 5:50pm
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What if...
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JWPlatt
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Aug 24 2012, 5:55pm
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if that is what you
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Lindele
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Aug 24 2012, 5:55pm
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Sarcasm
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JWPlatt
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Aug 24 2012, 5:56pm
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i understood the sarcasm...
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Lindele
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Aug 24 2012, 5:59pm
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If you could make the movies yourself what would you do?
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imin
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Aug 24 2012, 6:04pm
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I would appreciate
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Lindele
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Aug 24 2012, 6:14pm
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Thanks for reply
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imin
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Aug 24 2012, 6:46pm
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Preference
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JWPlatt
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Aug 24 2012, 6:22pm
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Sarcasm... hey I resemble that remark
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Sinister71
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Aug 24 2012, 6:02pm
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Nope I am not
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Sinister71
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Aug 24 2012, 6:00pm
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Well since
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shadowdog
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Aug 24 2012, 10:24pm
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The Complaint
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JWPlatt
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Aug 24 2012, 10:37pm
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well lets see...
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Sinister71
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Aug 25 2012, 3:24am
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and how do we know
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MouthofSauron
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Aug 25 2012, 3:39am
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comic con people have said Gollum/Smeagol conversations occur during what was shown of that scene from what I have heard
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Sinister71
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Aug 25 2012, 3:45am
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And many of us have been dissapointed with some of the other reviews,
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AinurOlorin
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Aug 24 2012, 8:04pm
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I also can's say I agree more.
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Mithreinmaethor
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Aug 24 2012, 3:18pm
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Themes.
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Bumblingidiot
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Aug 24 2012, 3:36pm
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I respect ostadan's opinion but I completely disagree! That's the whole point of installing a FORUM, no? :)
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Jago M
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Aug 24 2012, 4:21pm
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Appendices VS. FanFic
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MTT Gandalf
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Aug 24 2012, 5:21pm
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well considering
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Sinister71
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Aug 24 2012, 5:45pm
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Well,
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MTT Gandalf
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Aug 25 2012, 12:54pm
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but the fact remains
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Sinister71
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Aug 25 2012, 3:55pm
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You speak for me very well in this matter.
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AinurOlorin
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Aug 24 2012, 8:18pm
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The fanfic part is bothersome
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Nightwing
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Aug 25 2012, 5:42pm
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This is why I think an different film adaptation of The Hobbit is very likely to
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AinurOlorin
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Aug 25 2012, 6:34pm
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I'd be very surprised if the studios waited 25 years
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Flagg
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Aug 25 2012, 7:12pm
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Flagg
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macfalk
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Aug 25 2012, 7:21pm
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Again, I think The Hobbit is more likely.
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AinurOlorin
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Aug 25 2012, 8:09pm
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Gandalf
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JWPlatt
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Aug 25 2012, 8:25pm
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Interesting point about Gandalf.
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Macfeast
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Aug 25 2012, 8:46pm
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Is Gandalf really a bit part in The Hobbit?
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AinurOlorin
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Aug 25 2012, 9:26pm
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As You Said In A Very Recent Post
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JWPlatt
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Aug 25 2012, 9:32pm
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Touche`. And still, you take my meaning. lol
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AinurOlorin
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Aug 25 2012, 9:35pm
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But rereading LOTR last month
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Aug 25 2012, 8:52pm
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I am actually inclined to agree, but I didn't want to give any devout PJ fans undue
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AinurOlorin
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Aug 25 2012, 8:06pm
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I was never a big fan of the additions
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rings7
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Aug 24 2012, 6:01pm
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I agree
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geordie
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Aug 24 2012, 7:54pm
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My main problem with the article is that it infers too much
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elostirion74
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Aug 24 2012, 8:01pm
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Well I think
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shadowdog
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Aug 24 2012, 10:44pm
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there is more than just either wanting pj to adapt the books into films
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imin
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Aug 24 2012, 10:58pm
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The point
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shadowdog
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Aug 25 2012, 3:21am
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I think most people here are well aware of that..
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elostirion74
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Aug 25 2012, 6:58am
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No
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Aug 24 2012, 11:04pm
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Cuaron made the best HP film...
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Spaldron
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Aug 25 2012, 12:36am
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That is highly debatable.
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AinurOlorin
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Aug 25 2012, 12:49am
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Cuaron
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elostirion74
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Aug 25 2012, 6:51am
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Great points
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Aug 25 2012, 7:09am
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no-one will ever dare attempt to reboot LOTR's
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MouthofSauron
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Aug 25 2012, 7:18am
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Alfonso Cuaron
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Aug 25 2012, 7:34am
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They will be re-adapted one day
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imin
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Aug 25 2012, 8:27am
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IMO, Cuaron is vastly overrated
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macfalk
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Aug 25 2012, 10:42am
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Children of Men
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Aug 25 2012, 7:18pm
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Well
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macfalk
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Aug 25 2012, 7:21pm
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Someone may well eventually re-make Ben Hur. The Ten Commandments has
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AinurOlorin
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Aug 25 2012, 6:01pm
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Not quite
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Flagg
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Aug 25 2012, 6:12pm
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True enough, though you take my meaning.
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AinurOlorin
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Aug 25 2012, 6:18pm
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I actually think we are more likely to get a Hobbit remake within the next 25 years,
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AinurOlorin
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Aug 25 2012, 6:16pm
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Christopher Nolan might do well also.//
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Kangi Ska
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Aug 25 2012, 12:42am
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Oh, yes
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Aug 25 2012, 3:07am
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I´m not sure I understand why you ask
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elostirion74
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Aug 24 2012, 11:49pm
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"it’s not The Hobbit"
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dwarf_girl
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Aug 24 2012, 9:31pm
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I'd just like to go on record...
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Aragorn the Elfstone
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Aug 24 2012, 10:42pm
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Superb article, Ostadan!
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Morthoron
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Aug 25 2012, 2:34am
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I agree with your post, Morthoron
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geordie
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Aug 25 2012, 11:16am
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It's not a franchise //
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macfalk
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Aug 25 2012, 11:19am
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PJ as director
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Noria
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Aug 25 2012, 2:23pm
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Grumpy Old Men
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lyndomiel
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Aug 25 2012, 5:55pm
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Discussion thread edited to remove personal attacks.
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Ataahua
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Aug 25 2012, 9:05pm
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