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Jackson comments on Del Toro's vision of The Hobbit

There&ThereAgain
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Aug 24 2012, 10:36pm


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and how much was salvaged or taken over when Jackson became director.

http://io9.com/5937177/peter-jackson-tells-us-how-much-of-guillermo-del-toros-design-dna-is-in-the-hobbit

I have not seen this posted anywhere yet! Don't hurt me if it has Crazy

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Jackson comments on Del Toro's vision of The Hobbit There&ThereAgain Send a private message to There&ThereAgain Aug 24 2012, 10:36pm
    You beat me to it by seconds! DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Aug 24 2012, 10:39pm
        apologies! There&ThereAgain Send a private message to There&ThereAgain Aug 24 2012, 10:42pm
            I hope so too DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Aug 24 2012, 10:46pm
        I am with you. lyndomiel Send a private message to lyndomiel Aug 24 2012, 11:57pm
        If GDT had.... Spaldron Send a private message to Spaldron Aug 25 2012, 12:15am
            Thorin was NOT described with antlers Shelob'sAppetite Send a private message to Shelob'sAppetite Aug 25 2012, 3:21am
                I'm not criticising though. Spaldron Send a private message to Spaldron Aug 25 2012, 3:32am
                    You stated Shelob'sAppetite Send a private message to Shelob'sAppetite Aug 25 2012, 3:36am
                        He was described as having antlers.... Spaldron Send a private message to Spaldron Aug 25 2012, 3:42am
                            No they didn't Shelob'sAppetite Send a private message to Shelob'sAppetite Aug 25 2012, 3:50am
                                I don't read the New Yorker Spaldron Send a private message to Spaldron Aug 25 2012, 4:13am
                                    They did post links to the article right here on TheOneRing.net AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Aug 25 2012, 4:31am
                                        It missing one article a crime? Spaldron Send a private message to Spaldron Aug 25 2012, 4:35am
                                            But that's not the point Shelob'sAppetite Send a private message to Shelob'sAppetite Aug 25 2012, 4:43am
                                    Understood Shelob'sAppetite Send a private message to Shelob'sAppetite Aug 25 2012, 4:34am
                            There might have been some confusion because of SirDennisC Send a private message to SirDennisC Aug 25 2012, 4:23am
                                The King Balor design is excellent Shelob'sAppetite Send a private message to Shelob'sAppetite Aug 25 2012, 4:29am
                                    Aside: It was upon seeing HB II SirDennisC Send a private message to SirDennisC Aug 25 2012, 4:50am
                                        oh i agree MouthofSauron Send a private message to MouthofSauron Aug 25 2012, 4:53am
                                        I don't know HBII geordie Send a private message to geordie Aug 25 2012, 3:20pm
                                            He is the film's villain Flagg Send a private message to Flagg Aug 25 2012, 3:36pm
                                                Ah, thanks for that - geordie Send a private message to geordie Aug 25 2012, 3:53pm
                                                    That's not all Flagg Send a private message to Flagg Aug 25 2012, 4:22pm
                                                        When it comes to design, the guy can be counted on to go deep. SirDennisC Send a private message to SirDennisC Aug 25 2012, 7:32pm
                                It's a lovely design for a king... dormouse Send a private message to dormouse Aug 25 2012, 9:59am
                                    Yeah this is how i feel, would be nice in the future to see other adaptations but for now im pleased its PJ as i like his LOTR :) imin Send a private message to imin Aug 25 2012, 10:05am
                                        Agreed as well / DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Aug 25 2012, 10:19am
                                    Of the same mind SirDennisC Send a private message to SirDennisC Aug 25 2012, 2:08pm
        Remember that GDT hired John Howe and Alan Lee to work on the films Flagg Send a private message to Flagg Aug 25 2012, 12:01pm
            That is true DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Aug 25 2012, 2:36pm
    Such a shame to miss out on a different vision Shelob'sAppetite Send a private message to Shelob'sAppetite Aug 24 2012, 10:44pm
        I'm with you . . . TomthePilgrim Send a private message to TomthePilgrim Aug 24 2012, 11:00pm
            Some of GdT's 'Hobbit' designs surfaced in an earlier interview Otaku-sempai Send a private message to Otaku-sempai Aug 25 2012, 7:00pm
                Those were all preliminary Kangi Ska Send a private message to Kangi Ska Aug 25 2012, 7:06pm
                    GdT's preliminary designs Otaku-sempai Send a private message to Otaku-sempai Aug 25 2012, 7:10pm
                        But how Shelob'sAppetite Send a private message to Shelob'sAppetite Aug 25 2012, 7:16pm
                            They weren't that different, I suppose.... Otaku-sempai Send a private message to Otaku-sempai Aug 25 2012, 7:20pm
                Just a niggle: that interview was done quite some time before he left SirDennisC Send a private message to SirDennisC Aug 25 2012, 7:53pm
                    Thanx - I was working from memory... Otaku-sempai Send a private message to Otaku-sempai Aug 25 2012, 8:07pm
        I would quite like Hamfast Gamgee Send a private message to Hamfast Gamgee Aug 24 2012, 11:42pm
        PJ and co. have monopolized Tolkien and Del Toro's filmic interpretation..... MouthofSauron Send a private message to MouthofSauron Aug 25 2012, 1:05am
            You sound like a broken record. RosieLass Send a private message to RosieLass Aug 25 2012, 1:16am
                seems like you like the glass half empty MouthofSauron Send a private message to MouthofSauron Aug 25 2012, 1:27am
                    And, and didn't he give us the phrase, "for pete's sake?" // SirDennisC Send a private message to SirDennisC Aug 25 2012, 1:38am
                        LOL MouthofSauron Send a private message to MouthofSauron Aug 25 2012, 1:44am
            You say the same thing in every thread, lol imin Send a private message to imin Aug 25 2012, 8:36am
                Had PJ not made the trilogy DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Aug 25 2012, 9:24am
                    Well we cant know now obviously imin Send a private message to imin Aug 25 2012, 9:46am
                        I'm not *that* familiar with Nolan DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Aug 25 2012, 10:18am
                            He had made a few at that point imin Send a private message to imin Aug 25 2012, 10:26am
                            As much as I like Nolan, he would be a poor fit for Tolkien Flagg Send a private message to Flagg Aug 25 2012, 12:25pm
                                Yeah i dont think he would be a great fit for Tolkien imin Send a private message to imin Aug 25 2012, 12:37pm
                    In regards to which work? AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Aug 25 2012, 9:51pm
                        The "naffness" of it DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Aug 26 2012, 9:39am
        Monopolized? GoodGuyA Send a private message to GoodGuyA Aug 25 2012, 1:42am
            Once again, putting words in my mouth. Helps with creating straw men... Shelob'sAppetite Send a private message to Shelob'sAppetite Aug 25 2012, 3:26am
                You said monopolized. GoodGuyA Send a private message to GoodGuyA Aug 25 2012, 12:49pm
        ... Black Breathalizer Send a private message to Black Breathalizer Aug 25 2012, 2:34am
        I feel quite oppositely... dalecooper Send a private message to dalecooper Aug 25 2012, 2:44am
            its kinda like saying MouthofSauron Send a private message to MouthofSauron Aug 25 2012, 3:23am
            All good points Shelob'sAppetite Send a private message to Shelob'sAppetite Aug 25 2012, 3:31am
            GDT is obviously a fantasy fan Spaldron Send a private message to Spaldron Aug 25 2012, 3:38am
                Agreed. Shelob'sAppetite Send a private message to Shelob'sAppetite Aug 25 2012, 3:40am
                Well, I meant the Tolkien-ish brand of fantasy... dalecooper Send a private message to dalecooper Aug 25 2012, 12:22pm
                    Fairy tales like 'The Hobbit'? // Flagg Send a private message to Flagg Aug 25 2012, 12:31pm
                        Found the quote. dalecooper Send a private message to dalecooper Aug 25 2012, 12:35pm
                            I'll let GDT speak for himself Flagg Send a private message to Flagg Aug 25 2012, 12:45pm
                                That's a strong about-face from him EXPLICITLY saying: dalecooper Send a private message to dalecooper Aug 25 2012, 12:53pm
                                    You know something is wrong... Flagg Send a private message to Flagg Aug 25 2012, 2:00pm
                                    I have to agree with you... droidsocket Send a private message to droidsocket Aug 25 2012, 3:05pm
                                    I think he had simply not read the Hobbit Shelob'sAppetite Send a private message to Shelob'sAppetite Aug 25 2012, 7:02pm
                                        I eat my peas with honey - geordie Send a private message to geordie Aug 25 2012, 7:08pm
                                            You've gone and done it now Shelob'sAppetite Send a private message to Shelob'sAppetite Aug 25 2012, 8:43pm
                                        PJ said he did not read The Lord of the Rings SirDennisC Send a private message to SirDennisC Aug 25 2012, 8:10pm
                                            PJ does often state Shelob'sAppetite Send a private message to Shelob'sAppetite Aug 25 2012, 8:33pm
            one point... Sinister71 Send a private message to Sinister71 Aug 25 2012, 3:43am
                Yes, they work for PJ. But: dalecooper Send a private message to dalecooper Aug 25 2012, 12:24pm
        I second that Marionette Send a private message to Marionette Aug 25 2012, 3:16pm
        I wouldn't consider this a monopoly by PJ and Co rings7 Send a private message to rings7 Aug 25 2012, 6:05pm
            Exactly, GDT's departure was his own decision. macfalk Send a private message to macfalk Aug 25 2012, 6:23pm
                It's not a conspiracy theory so much as an observation Flagg Send a private message to Flagg Aug 25 2012, 6:59pm
                    Well... macfalk Send a private message to macfalk Aug 25 2012, 7:28pm
                        You are assuming that "monopoly" Shelob'sAppetite Send a private message to Shelob'sAppetite Aug 25 2012, 7:36pm
                            I am not assuming anything - I was responding to Flagg // macfalk Send a private message to macfalk Aug 25 2012, 7:37pm
                                As I said above, I am not commenting on the politics that led to six PJ-directed films Flagg Send a private message to Flagg Aug 25 2012, 8:12pm
                                    Totally disagree. Black Breathalizer Send a private message to Black Breathalizer Aug 25 2012, 8:40pm
                                        No need to draw such extreme implications from my statement Flagg Send a private message to Flagg Aug 26 2012, 1:31pm
                            But... macfalk Send a private message to macfalk Aug 25 2012, 7:42pm
                                good points MouthofSauron Send a private message to MouthofSauron Aug 25 2012, 7:49pm
                                    This makes a great deal of sense SirDennisC Send a private message to SirDennisC Aug 26 2012, 2:21am
                                I don't care about continuity Shelob'sAppetite Send a private message to Shelob'sAppetite Aug 25 2012, 7:52pm
                                    You don't care about continuity? macfalk Send a private message to macfalk Aug 25 2012, 8:51pm
                                        As Ralph Waldo Emerson stated Shelob'sAppetite Send a private message to Shelob'sAppetite Aug 25 2012, 8:54pm
                                            Let's have MORE 'artistry'!!!! Black Breathalizer Send a private message to Black Breathalizer Aug 25 2012, 9:21pm
                                                Well, there are obvious limits Shelob'sAppetite Send a private message to Shelob'sAppetite Aug 25 2012, 9:44pm
                                                    ... Black Breathalizer Send a private message to Black Breathalizer Aug 25 2012, 10:44pm
                                                I understand that you're being sarcastic Ruinwen Send a private message to Ruinwen Aug 25 2012, 9:53pm
                                                    Well said. // SirDennisC Send a private message to SirDennisC Aug 25 2012, 10:46pm
                                            When did I say this? macfalk Send a private message to macfalk Aug 25 2012, 10:49pm
                                                i think artistry should be taken in context Sinister71 Send a private message to Sinister71 Aug 25 2012, 10:56pm
                                                    He did indeed macfalk Send a private message to macfalk Aug 25 2012, 11:04pm
                                                    nope Black Breathalizer Send a private message to Black Breathalizer Aug 26 2012, 12:07am
                                                        and Tolkien himself Sinister71 Send a private message to Sinister71 Aug 26 2012, 12:19am
                                                            the facts Black Breathalizer Send a private message to Black Breathalizer Aug 26 2012, 1:49am
                                                                bottom line is Sinister71 Send a private message to Sinister71 Aug 26 2012, 6:23pm
                                                                    I am sad that he did abandon it droidsocket Send a private message to droidsocket Aug 26 2012, 6:58pm
                                                                        People are free to retell it Shelob'sAppetite Send a private message to Shelob'sAppetite Aug 26 2012, 7:56pm
                                                                            It's not the... droidsocket Send a private message to droidsocket Aug 26 2012, 8:00pm
                                                                                He never displayed that attitude Shelob'sAppetite Send a private message to Shelob'sAppetite Aug 26 2012, 8:04pm
                                                                                    Ok droidsocket Send a private message to droidsocket Aug 26 2012, 8:07pm
                                                                                        Oh, sure Shelob'sAppetite Send a private message to Shelob'sAppetite Aug 26 2012, 8:28pm
                                                                            although MouthofSauron Send a private message to MouthofSauron Aug 26 2012, 8:44pm
                                                                                Right Shelob'sAppetite Send a private message to Shelob'sAppetite Aug 26 2012, 10:00pm
                                                                                    absolutely MouthofSauron Send a private message to MouthofSauron Aug 26 2012, 10:13pm
                                                                                        Great! Shelob'sAppetite Send a private message to Shelob'sAppetite Aug 26 2012, 10:16pm
                                                                                    Not helping in making a point here rings7 Send a private message to rings7 Aug 27 2012, 4:51am
                                                                                        He has never been negative about the films "coming out" Shelob'sAppetite Send a private message to Shelob'sAppetite Aug 27 2012, 6:24am
                                                                                            I know he's only been negative about the quality of the films rings7 Send a private message to rings7 Aug 27 2012, 3:34pm
                                                                                                I think PJ's films Shelob'sAppetite Send a private message to Shelob'sAppetite Aug 27 2012, 3:48pm
                                                                                                    He tried and he walked out. rings7 Send a private message to rings7 Aug 27 2012, 4:13pm
                                                                                                        Nearly everything I say here Shelob'sAppetite Send a private message to Shelob'sAppetite Aug 27 2012, 5:15pm
                                                                                                    I know I keep saying this - geordie Send a private message to geordie Aug 27 2012, 5:25pm
                                                                                                        Just one example Shelob'sAppetite Send a private message to Shelob'sAppetite Aug 28 2012, 4:05am
                                                                                                            I don't know about "improvement" Lacrimae Rerum Send a private message to Lacrimae Rerum Aug 28 2012, 11:51am
                                                                                                    The films are generally held in high regard kzer_za Send a private message to kzer_za Aug 28 2012, 8:26pm
                                                                                                It's Not B&W JWPlatt Aug 27 2012, 5:47pm
                                                                                                    Exactly Shelob'sAppetite Send a private message to Shelob'sAppetite Aug 27 2012, 6:25pm
                                                                                                    I didn't think i was being B&W rings7 Send a private message to rings7 Aug 27 2012, 7:22pm
                                                                                                    Ha, It was me!!! AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Aug 29 2012, 4:54am
                                                                                    its not a circle of negativity as you have articulated MouthofSauron Send a private message to MouthofSauron Aug 27 2012, 4:57am
                                                                                        I never said the point was PJ making money out of the movies. rings7 Send a private message to rings7 Aug 27 2012, 5:12am
                                                                                        There's no reason for PJ to make negative comments about CT Shelob'sAppetite Send a private message to Shelob'sAppetite Aug 27 2012, 6:29am
                                                                                            no, i understand MouthofSauron Send a private message to MouthofSauron Aug 27 2012, 7:06am
                                                                                            Well... macfalk Send a private message to macfalk Aug 27 2012, 8:03am
                                                                                                Poor Sample JWPlatt Aug 27 2012, 8:11am
                                                                                                reply imin Send a private message to imin Aug 27 2012, 7:42pm
                                                                                                You have to be kidding me rings7 Send a private message to rings7 Aug 27 2012, 8:32pm
                                                                                                    CT has never said he hasn't seen the films, as far as I know Shelob'sAppetite Send a private message to Shelob'sAppetite Aug 27 2012, 11:44pm
                                                                                                        Well yeah that's what i thought rings7 Send a private message to rings7 Aug 28 2012, 2:56am
                                                                                                    Christopher has seen them - geordie Send a private message to geordie Aug 29 2012, 12:25pm
                                                                                                        Then again, macfalk Send a private message to macfalk Aug 29 2012, 1:34pm
                                                                                                            This is true - geordie Send a private message to geordie Aug 29 2012, 5:25pm
                                                                                                                I believe John Rateliff (author of History of The Hobbit) likes them too // kzer_za Send a private message to kzer_za Aug 29 2012, 11:59pm
                                                                                                                    Thanks - geordie Send a private message to geordie Aug 30 2012, 12:03pm
                                                                                                        Interestingly Shelob'sAppetite Send a private message to Shelob'sAppetite Aug 29 2012, 3:02pm
                                                                                                            Actually, geordie Send a private message to geordie Aug 29 2012, 5:41pm
                                                                                                                indeed Sinister71 Send a private message to Sinister71 Aug 29 2012, 11:16pm
                                                                                                                An unfair assumption SirDennisC Send a private message to SirDennisC Aug 30 2012, 2:00am
                                                                        Clarification JWPlatt Aug 26 2012, 8:19pm
                                                                            I don't droidsocket Send a private message to droidsocket Aug 26 2012, 8:29pm
                                                                                Attribution JWPlatt Aug 26 2012, 8:39pm
                                                                                    Is this directed at me? droidsocket Send a private message to droidsocket Aug 26 2012, 8:44pm
                                                                                    You don't have to be a trained detective... Black Breathalizer Send a private message to Black Breathalizer Aug 26 2012, 8:47pm
                                                                                        I agree droidsocket Send a private message to droidsocket Aug 26 2012, 8:49pm
                                                                                        Right Shelob'sAppetite Send a private message to Shelob'sAppetite Aug 26 2012, 9:56pm
                                                            Do we have to view everything from the original perspective? GoodGuyA Send a private message to GoodGuyA Aug 26 2012, 3:03am
                                        what aspects of continuity are you particularly concerned about between The Hobbit and LoTR? elostirion74 Send a private message to elostirion74 Aug 26 2012, 12:52am
                Nooneever suggested a conspiracy Shelob'sAppetite Send a private message to Shelob'sAppetite Aug 25 2012, 7:14pm
    I understand Peter's decision. Carne Send a private message to Carne Aug 24 2012, 10:48pm
        Agreed Shelob'sAppetite Send a private message to Shelob'sAppetite Aug 24 2012, 11:02pm
            It's a good thing Tim Send a private message to Tim Aug 24 2012, 11:26pm
                But some of us like a little variety . . . TomthePilgrim Send a private message to TomthePilgrim Aug 24 2012, 11:28pm
                    Comfort food vs. variety lyndomiel Send a private message to lyndomiel Aug 25 2012, 12:02am
                        good analogy TomthePilgrim Send a private message to TomthePilgrim Aug 25 2012, 12:09am
                            Perhaps he's grown by now. lyndomiel Send a private message to lyndomiel Aug 25 2012, 12:12am
    The Hobbit wasnt the time for a ''New Vision''. Gorbag Send a private message to Gorbag Aug 24 2012, 11:34pm
        But it was the time to test run a radically new film format? SirDennisC Send a private message to SirDennisC Aug 25 2012, 12:49am
            If it was up to me... Aragorn the Elfstone Send a private message to Aragorn the Elfstone Aug 25 2012, 3:45am
    Comparing PJ and GDT Escapist Send a private message to Escapist Aug 25 2012, 12:02am
    Media Literacy 101 SirDennisC Send a private message to SirDennisC Aug 25 2012, 1:21am
        Sir PJ has a lot of experience with diplomacy Voronwë_the_Faithful Send a private message to Voronwë_the_Faithful Aug 25 2012, 1:24am
            Yes I think so too... SirDennisC Send a private message to SirDennisC Aug 25 2012, 1:32am
    What might have been HiddenSpring Send a private message to HiddenSpring Aug 25 2012, 1:42am
    Jackson's vision Black Breathalizer Send a private message to Black Breathalizer Aug 25 2012, 4:24pm
        I suggested this possible scenario a while back Shelob'sAppetite Send a private message to Shelob'sAppetite Aug 25 2012, 7:12pm
            Well as long as we are casting caution to the wind SirDennisC Send a private message to SirDennisC Aug 25 2012, 10:00pm
                Wow. Aragorn the Elfstone Send a private message to Aragorn the Elfstone Aug 25 2012, 10:19pm
                    Yeah you know SirDennisC Send a private message to SirDennisC Aug 25 2012, 10:32pm
                        Some NZers Ataahua Send a private message to Ataahua Aug 25 2012, 10:48pm
                            Exactly Shelob'sAppetite Send a private message to Shelob'sAppetite Aug 26 2012, 2:44am
                                My point Ataahua Send a private message to Ataahua Aug 26 2012, 3:16am
                                    Agreed Shelob'sAppetite Send a private message to Shelob'sAppetite Aug 26 2012, 3:28am
                                        Like Sweden? // macfalk Send a private message to macfalk Aug 26 2012, 9:02am
                                    Yes, SirDennisC Send a private message to SirDennisC Aug 26 2012, 3:32am
                        guillermo Lusitano Send a private message to Lusitano Aug 26 2012, 12:01am
                    Del toro's exit was clearly stated by Del toro himself MouthofSauron Send a private message to MouthofSauron Aug 26 2012, 1:56am
                yes Lusitano Send a private message to Lusitano Aug 25 2012, 10:21pm
                    At least in the United States Shelob'sAppetite Send a private message to Shelob'sAppetite Aug 26 2012, 2:40am
                        Sirdennisc Lusitano Send a private message to Lusitano Aug 26 2012, 2:48am
                Well that is interesting. . . especially on an island chain where the natives are dark indeed AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Aug 26 2012, 2:42am
                    Just to halt this here SirDennisC Send a private message to SirDennisC Aug 26 2012, 3:13am
                        Ah, dear Sibling to The North AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Aug 26 2012, 3:17am
                    Please... macfalk Send a private message to macfalk Aug 26 2012, 9:02am
                    Maori, actually lyndomiel Send a private message to lyndomiel Aug 26 2012, 1:09pm
                        How long have those people been there? AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Aug 26 2012, 9:36pm
                            Just FYI - Googled it lyndomiel Send a private message to lyndomiel Aug 26 2012, 10:04pm
                Too far, SirDennis... dormouse Send a private message to dormouse Aug 26 2012, 8:30am
                    Well said, dormouse. macfalk Send a private message to macfalk Aug 26 2012, 9:03am
                    "Casting caution to the wind" is like that SirDennisC Send a private message to SirDennisC Aug 26 2012, 2:05pm
                        ... Black Breathalizer Send a private message to Black Breathalizer Aug 26 2012, 2:59pm
                            I often wonder where people find unidirectional magnifying glasses SirDennisC Send a private message to SirDennisC Aug 27 2012, 1:38am
                                ... Black Breathalizer Send a private message to Black Breathalizer Aug 27 2012, 2:38am
                                    Conspiracy theories Noria Send a private message to Noria Aug 27 2012, 1:23pm
                                        There is a difference between a conspiracy theory Shelob'sAppetite Send a private message to Shelob'sAppetite Aug 27 2012, 2:50pm
                                    Points for being forthright SirDennisC Send a private message to SirDennisC Aug 27 2012, 6:40pm
                                        ... Noria Send a private message to Noria Aug 28 2012, 11:52am
                                            I knew there was something about you that I liked SirDennisC Send a private message to SirDennisC Aug 28 2012, 3:11pm
    Coulda shoulda woulda rings7 Send a private message to rings7 Aug 25 2012, 6:08pm
        Forum Policy JWPlatt Aug 25 2012, 8:35pm
    Just as Peter turned GDT loose grammaboodawg Send a private message to grammaboodawg Aug 26 2012, 6:19pm
        Agreed.// Owain Send a private message to Owain Aug 26 2012, 8:41pm
    As far as I can see there still seems to be quite a bit of Del Toro left elostirion74 Send a private message to elostirion74 Aug 27 2012, 1:25pm
    Antler headgear - perhaps transferred to Thranduil? Shelob'sAppetite Send a private message to Shelob'sAppetite Aug 27 2012, 6:54pm
    This is a rare thread indeed... macfalk Send a private message to macfalk Aug 29 2012, 4:26pm
        I depends how you have the page set Kangi Ska Send a private message to Kangi Ska Aug 29 2012, 5:16pm

 
 
 

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