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JWPlatt
Grey Havens
Aug 24 2012, 2:26am
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Ah, okay. That's one of those things where as people get to know you, they understand you better. For example, I know one person on another forum who speaks exclusively in Sarcasm. Once you understand that, you understand all her posts. I sometime have to use the Google Sarcasm translator, but I'm getting pretty fluent in it. I'll turn on Facetious for you. Daniel may need help with this too, as he is Sarcasm-challenged and Facetious is a close cousin.
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Discuss Ostadan's 'Jackson Hobbit: Too Much?'
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calisuri
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Aug 23 2012, 8:26pm
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Thank you for writing this... I agree with just about all of it, and I think stretching the story out to three films will just exacerbate the problem. //
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acheron
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Aug 23 2012, 8:43pm
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Agree with everything said in here!!!!!!
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Sinister71
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Aug 23 2012, 8:59pm
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Interesting read - can't say I agree with all of it though.
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DanielLB
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Aug 23 2012, 9:02pm
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IMO...
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redgiraffe
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Aug 24 2012, 12:40am
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Completely agree
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DanielLB
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Aug 24 2012, 9:29am
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Yes,
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Ruinwen
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Aug 24 2012, 9:42am
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His own work?
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stoutfiles
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Aug 24 2012, 1:32pm
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Best of both
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Olo Overhill
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Aug 24 2012, 2:09pm
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I will be going to see the film, and I will surely enjoy much of the content, HOWEVER
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AinurOlorin
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Aug 24 2012, 6:40pm
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I will go and almost certainly love the Hobbit movie, but...
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NottaSackville
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Aug 23 2012, 9:06pm
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Prediction
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JWPlatt
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Aug 23 2012, 9:08pm
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Unless they add a green tint ... then you won't purchase it ;-) /
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DanielLB
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Aug 23 2012, 9:39pm
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The Green Tint
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JWPlatt
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Aug 23 2012, 9:53pm
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You are never going to let that drop, are you? :)//
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Milknut
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Aug 24 2012, 1:55am
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No
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JWPlatt
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Aug 24 2012, 2:21am
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Thank you for posting this . . .
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TomthePilgrim
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Aug 23 2012, 9:26pm
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Strongly disagree
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thirdeblue
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Aug 23 2012, 9:39pm
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No
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JWPlatt
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Aug 23 2012, 9:45pm
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OT I know, but. . .
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hamlet
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Aug 24 2012, 1:38am
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Yep
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JWPlatt
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Aug 24 2012, 2:13am
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Joe Cocker's version of "With a little help from my friends"
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TheBeerBaron
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Aug 24 2012, 6:17am
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True . . .
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TomthePilgrim
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Aug 24 2012, 2:31pm
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Joe Cocker
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JWPlatt
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Aug 24 2012, 3:25pm
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Any cover of Bob Dylan
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Owlyross
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Aug 24 2012, 2:57pm
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Check out Colin James . . .
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TomthePilgrim
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Aug 24 2012, 3:27pm
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Sizzla
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
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Aug 24 2012, 5:56pm
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Amen
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Aug 24 2012, 5:57pm
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How cool!
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
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Aug 24 2012, 8:37pm
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Agreed!!!
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BlackCountry
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Aug 25 2012, 1:12pm
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Could not agree more!
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adnan
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Aug 24 2012, 1:16pm
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What do you mean by this?
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imin
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Aug 24 2012, 2:34pm
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Let me clarify that then.
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thirdeblue
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Aug 25 2012, 12:54pm
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Wait
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Aug 25 2012, 7:25pm
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Denethor
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thirdeblue
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Aug 28 2012, 1:55pm
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I agree 100%.
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RosieLass
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Aug 23 2012, 9:45pm
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I honestly don't mind most of these additions
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Carne
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Aug 23 2012, 9:52pm
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No compelling reason?
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Pipe Dream
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Aug 23 2012, 10:07pm
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Oh how wrong you are...
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Milknut
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Aug 24 2012, 1:52am
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It's not the icing's fault if the cake is a lie.
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Pipe Dream
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Aug 24 2012, 7:18am
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I'm not sure I get your metaphor
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Milknut
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Aug 24 2012, 3:32pm
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I'm sorry
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There&ThereAgain
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Aug 23 2012, 10:15pm
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Agree with the piece
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Aug 23 2012, 10:16pm
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hmm very interesting
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imin
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Aug 23 2012, 10:23pm
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FANTASTIC article, but
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DesiringDragons
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Aug 23 2012, 10:33pm
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The Hobbit
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burgahobbit
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Aug 23 2012, 10:43pm
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Well, we all make choices.
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Kangi Ska
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Aug 23 2012, 10:50pm
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Well, yes and no for me....
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dormouse
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Aug 23 2012, 11:01pm
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I fully agree with this post. //
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Maiarmike
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Aug 24 2012, 1:17am
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Fully agreed with Dormouse //
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macfalk
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Aug 24 2012, 2:03pm
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Hobbit
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Snowghost77
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Aug 23 2012, 11:04pm
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Expression
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JWPlatt
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Aug 23 2012, 11:07pm
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As far as I know...
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RosieLass
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Aug 23 2012, 11:08pm
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Hobbit
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Snowghost77
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Aug 23 2012, 11:26pm
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But a well-reasoned article is interesting to read
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DesiringDragons
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Aug 23 2012, 11:36pm
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Irony
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JWPlatt
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Aug 24 2012, 1:20am
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Irony
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Snowghost77
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Aug 24 2012, 2:00am
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Got It
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JWPlatt
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Aug 24 2012, 2:26am
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Irony
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Snowghost77
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Aug 24 2012, 6:42pm
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Complaints and criticisms can make for very interesting discussion,
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AinurOlorin
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Aug 24 2012, 6:54pm
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Speaking of negative...
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Intergalactic Lawman
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Aug 23 2012, 11:54pm
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Agreed as well
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redgiraffe
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Aug 24 2012, 12:17am
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I think he's taking Jackson's statements too literally - Still a good article though
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kzer_za
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Aug 23 2012, 11:28pm
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You could cut the movies and make your own version of the Hobbit, More close to the book, so why complain?
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Mr. Arkenstone (isaac)
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Aug 24 2012, 2:04pm
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No need to shout
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entmaiden
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Aug 24 2012, 4:34pm
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Oh dear!
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Mr. Arkenstone (isaac)
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Aug 24 2012, 7:58pm
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The Hobbit - Seamless Branch
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JWPlatt
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Aug 24 2012, 4:48pm
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Patience apparently is not a virtue
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Tim
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Aug 23 2012, 11:37pm
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This is a forum for hardcore fans. Speculation is part of what we do //
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kzer_za
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Aug 23 2012, 11:41pm
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Who you callin' hardcore?
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Kangi Ska
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Aug 23 2012, 11:51pm
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I AM NOT kept in Ward 51 . . .
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TomthePilgrim
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Aug 24 2012, 12:21am
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This is the post I agree with the most
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redgiraffe
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Aug 24 2012, 12:14am
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The OP was pure rubbish.
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Black Breathalizer
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Aug 24 2012, 12:59am
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Absolutely agree...
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Compa_Mighty
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Aug 24 2012, 12:03am
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Word
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Snowghost77
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Aug 24 2012, 12:11am
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Only a new cast with a completely new production could have done what you argue for...
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Unspoken_Request
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Aug 24 2012, 12:34am
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This was an interesting article
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Ziggy Stardust
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Aug 24 2012, 12:46am
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Oooh, another post about how Jackson doesn't know what he's doing on these movies...
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Maiarmike
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Aug 24 2012, 1:15am
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I find it consistently astounding
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Aug 24 2012, 1:26am
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Are we reading the same post?
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Milknut
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Aug 24 2012, 1:55am
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I disagree.
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Istaris'staffs
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Aug 24 2012, 1:46am
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Istaris'staffs NAILED it. Well said.
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Black Breathalizer
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Aug 24 2012, 1:58am
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Yes he did
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Boulderfist
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Aug 24 2012, 2:28am
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well said
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Lindele
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Aug 24 2012, 2:15pm
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thoughtful article, but I disagree.
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lyndomiel
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Aug 24 2012, 2:47am
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Well said!
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Buchanicus
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Aug 24 2012, 4:00am
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Someone had a great post in the comments section of the article
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Buchanicus
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Aug 24 2012, 4:02am
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Outstanding!
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Boulderfist
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Aug 24 2012, 4:12am
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This was amazing
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Junesong
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Aug 24 2012, 4:20am
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Thanks Buchanicus for this excellent re-post!
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lyndomiel
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Aug 24 2012, 11:29am
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Some of the changes in LotR make no sense, even ignoring the book.
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Zubeneschamali
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Aug 24 2012, 2:21pm
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Not quite fair, IMO
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Aug 24 2012, 2:27pm
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well
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Lusitano
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Aug 24 2012, 5:16pm
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So
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Kangi Ska
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Aug 24 2012, 6:54pm
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He decided to let Christopher Tolkien answer those questions :P //
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imin
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Aug 24 2012, 6:55pm
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LOL
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lyndomiel
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Aug 24 2012, 7:01pm
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Well said, Lyndomiel
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redgiraffe
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Aug 24 2012, 4:53am
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redgiraffe I have a reply to your siggy
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Tim
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Aug 24 2012, 7:43am
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LOL
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redgiraffe
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Aug 24 2012, 10:46am
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Yes - and ...
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lyndomiel
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Aug 24 2012, 4:00pm
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You assume that every cut was based on time constraints or the need to make the story flow
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AinurOlorin
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Aug 24 2012, 7:37pm
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it is a fait accomplit
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lyndomiel
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Aug 24 2012, 9:20pm
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so basically you want the animated film turned into a...
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MouthofSauron
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Aug 24 2012, 5:22am
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What Tolkien "should have done"?? The Hobbit the way it "should have been"???
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RosieLass
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Aug 24 2012, 6:37am
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actually....
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MouthofSauron
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Aug 24 2012, 7:35am
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Posted on the article, now here
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Owlyross
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Aug 24 2012, 12:57pm
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You may want to go back
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Aug 24 2012, 2:07pm
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No revisionism here
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Owlyross
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Aug 24 2012, 2:40pm
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Understood
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Aug 24 2012, 2:47pm
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I can see where both of you are coming from
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imin
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Aug 24 2012, 2:52pm
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I read The Hobbit first
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Owlyross
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Aug 24 2012, 3:04pm
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Seriously?
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Lindele
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Aug 24 2012, 2:14pm
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The author said nothing about PJ "not having the right"
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Aug 24 2012, 2:22pm
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My problem
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Lindele
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Aug 24 2012, 2:40pm
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My thought exactly . . .
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TomthePilgrim
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Aug 24 2012, 2:52pm
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That's my hope as well!
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Aug 24 2012, 2:57pm
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I said I was done . . .
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TomthePilgrim
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Aug 24 2012, 3:32pm
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PJ's goodwill with fans
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pettytyrant101
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Aug 24 2012, 2:53pm
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yeah, it's obvious
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Lindele
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Aug 24 2012, 3:07pm
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I think to a degree he has to be
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pettytyrant101
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Aug 24 2012, 3:28pm
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The Coven
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JWPlatt
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Aug 24 2012, 3:32pm
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Bit harsh but you're almost correct.
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Spaldron
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Aug 24 2012, 3:45pm
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Humor
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JWPlatt
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Aug 24 2012, 4:05pm
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Boyens is the worst, IMO
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Aug 24 2012, 3:52pm
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Ohhhhhhhh . . . . . . . . .
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TomthePilgrim
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Aug 24 2012, 4:04pm
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Ditto..,
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lyndomiel
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Aug 24 2012, 4:25pm
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Perhaps
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Aug 24 2012, 5:47pm
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Yes..... and its just personal preferences
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lyndomiel
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Aug 24 2012, 6:57pm
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IMO
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Aug 24 2012, 7:29pm
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IIRC
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geordie
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Aug 24 2012, 7:48pm
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If that is true
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Aug 24 2012, 10:53pm
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I've tried to find the original article
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geordie
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Aug 25 2012, 11:09am
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Just to add....
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dormouse
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Aug 25 2012, 11:23am
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Hi, Dormouse -
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geordie
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Aug 25 2012, 11:36am
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Hello geordie...
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dormouse
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Aug 25 2012, 1:07pm
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I'm back -
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geordie
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Aug 25 2012, 2:03pm
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Ah.... well...
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dormouse
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Aug 25 2012, 2:28pm
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Well I have a somewhat jaundiced view -
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geordie
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Aug 25 2012, 2:54pm
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Well, OK....
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dormouse
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Aug 25 2012, 4:18pm
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Excellent post, dormouse //
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macfalk
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Aug 25 2012, 4:34pm
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On a (fairly) unrelated note -
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geordie
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Aug 25 2012, 4:40pm
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Really great post here Dormouse
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imin
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Aug 25 2012, 4:47pm
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I'll take it that you mean it sincerely -
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geordie
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Aug 25 2012, 5:20pm
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Yeah i meant it :)
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imin
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Aug 25 2012, 5:54pm
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I thought as much -
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geordie
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Aug 25 2012, 6:14pm
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I know about your collection from the other site as well :) //
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imin
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Aug 25 2012, 6:46pm
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Oh! ah... well, then...
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geordie
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Aug 25 2012, 6:51pm
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Just going back to pJ's claims again -
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geordie
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Aug 25 2012, 5:17pm
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"Changing the Law"
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macfalk
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Aug 25 2012, 6:01pm
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There are so many ways to tell a story.
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lyndomiel
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Aug 25 2012, 6:11pm
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That's a point
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geordie
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Aug 25 2012, 6:30pm
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Dwarvish, dwarven, elven, elfish etc
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macfalk
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Aug 25 2012, 6:35pm
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It's not just you -
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geordie
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Aug 25 2012, 6:54pm
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Oops
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lyndomiel
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Aug 25 2012, 7:32pm
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Yes and no -
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geordie
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Aug 25 2012, 8:22pm
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Not at all. I appreciate your encyclopedic brain.
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lyndomiel
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Aug 25 2012, 10:21pm
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Thanks
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geordie
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Aug 27 2012, 11:06am
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I wish this was relevant to me
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Aug 25 2012, 7:30pm
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This is largely due
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Aug 25 2012, 7:31pm
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It does seem that Boyens had more writing experience than I suggested
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Aug 25 2012, 7:28pm
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What's wrong with being a rookie?
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macfalk
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Aug 25 2012, 7:30pm
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Any idea where this interview might be?
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DanielLB
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Aug 24 2012, 10:56pm
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Hi, daniel,
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geordie
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Aug 25 2012, 10:49am
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Not to worry geordie :-)
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DanielLB
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Aug 25 2012, 11:58am
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However
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geordie
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Aug 27 2012, 8:59am
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I think
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Jettorex
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Aug 24 2012, 8:31pm
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Dogma
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JWPlatt
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Aug 24 2012, 8:52pm
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That argument isn't likely to gain you any ground with this crowd...
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Aragorn the Elfstone
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Aug 24 2012, 11:03pm
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Philippa seems like a perfectly smart and wonderful woman
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Aug 24 2012, 11:07pm
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IMO PJ & Fran's picking of her definitely showed...
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Aragorn the Elfstone
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Aug 24 2012, 11:25pm
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Question away
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Tim
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Aug 24 2012, 11:32pm
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It's funny
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Istaris'staffs
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Aug 25 2012, 1:14am
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thank you
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MouthofSauron
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Aug 25 2012, 1:22am
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Your O is your O, Shelob'sAppetite....
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dormouse
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Aug 25 2012, 11:15am
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Dramatic Reversal & Growth
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JWPlatt
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Aug 24 2012, 4:22pm
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Just to be clear,
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Escapist
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Aug 24 2012, 11:57pm
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The script was one the weakest parts of the LOTR films.
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RosieLass
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Aug 25 2012, 12:51am
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how many times do you guys have to be reminded of this Fact
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MouthofSauron
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Aug 25 2012, 1:10am
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And how many times do YOU have to be reminded of this fact?
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RosieLass
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Aug 25 2012, 1:13am
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It doesn't surprise me terribly
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Escapist
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Aug 25 2012, 1:25am
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About this...
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Spaldron
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Aug 25 2012, 3:10am
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When you say the Gollum/Smeagol schizo scene -
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geordie
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Aug 25 2012, 11:56am
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thats in TTT
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Sinister71
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Aug 25 2012, 9:02pm
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The old you want the book on film argument again, oh dear
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pettytyrant101
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Aug 25 2012, 1:34am
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you have a voice, yes of course
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MouthofSauron
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Aug 25 2012, 1:41am
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While Peter certainly deserves credit, I think it does some disservice to
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AinurOlorin
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Aug 25 2012, 2:04am
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I definitely don't agree with that.
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Aragorn the Elfstone
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Aug 25 2012, 2:51am
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But a live action Tolkien film had never been tried before
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Aug 25 2012, 3:16am
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I maintain my position.
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Aragorn the Elfstone
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Aug 25 2012, 3:19am
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Not unthinkable when the film in question was The Lord of The Rings. Also, the demographic of The Acadamy
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AinurOlorin
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Aug 25 2012, 3:18am
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Is that the same demographic...
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Aragorn the Elfstone
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Aug 25 2012, 3:29am
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Yes. It is. They did not grow up on James Cameron's Avatar. It does not have the same
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AinurOlorin
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Aug 25 2012, 4:07am
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Excellently stated. The second paragraph is especially accurate.
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AinurOlorin
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Aug 25 2012, 1:42am
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That is not a coverall excuse.
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AinurOlorin
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Aug 25 2012, 1:39am
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I believe the scipt was one of the strongest parts of these films...
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Aragorn the Elfstone
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Aug 25 2012, 2:05am
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Doing the job
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Tim
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Aug 25 2012, 2:41am
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Why pull any punches?
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RosieLass
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Aug 25 2012, 4:16am
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There's no punch to pull
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Tim
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Aug 25 2012, 9:03am
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Yes!
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Eowyn of Penns Woods
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Aug 25 2012, 2:39am
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As noone has revealed what parts of the script she is most responsible for
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Aug 25 2012, 3:12am
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Can't say I agree with this
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Spaldron
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Aug 24 2012, 3:11pm
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EXACTLY
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Lindele
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Aug 24 2012, 3:13pm
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So it is unprofessional
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Aug 24 2012, 3:47pm
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you seem to be
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Lindele
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Aug 24 2012, 4:20pm
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Groupies
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JWPlatt
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Aug 24 2012, 4:12pm
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my comment
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Lindele
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Aug 24 2012, 4:33pm
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And look! More groupie bread.
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JWPlatt
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Aug 24 2012, 4:42pm
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his arguments are his opinion
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Sinister71
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Aug 24 2012, 4:52pm
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well if you go back
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Lindele
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Aug 24 2012, 5:46pm
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I really don't understand that . . .
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TomthePilgrim
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Aug 24 2012, 4:51pm
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I'm afraid I'll have to agree with JWPlatt.
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TomthePilgrim
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Aug 24 2012, 4:58pm
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hmmmm,
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Lindele
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Aug 24 2012, 5:44pm
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well maybe its unprofessional then
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Sinister71
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Aug 24 2012, 5:50pm
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What if...
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JWPlatt
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Aug 24 2012, 5:55pm
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if that is what you
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Lindele
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Aug 24 2012, 5:55pm
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Sarcasm
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JWPlatt
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Aug 24 2012, 5:56pm
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i understood the sarcasm...
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Lindele
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Aug 24 2012, 5:59pm
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If you could make the movies yourself what would you do?
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imin
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Aug 24 2012, 6:04pm
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I would appreciate
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Lindele
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Aug 24 2012, 6:14pm
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Thanks for reply
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imin
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Aug 24 2012, 6:46pm
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Preference
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JWPlatt
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Aug 24 2012, 6:22pm
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Sarcasm... hey I resemble that remark
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Sinister71
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Aug 24 2012, 6:02pm
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Nope I am not
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Sinister71
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Aug 24 2012, 6:00pm
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Well since
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shadowdog
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Aug 24 2012, 10:24pm
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The Complaint
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JWPlatt
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Aug 24 2012, 10:37pm
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well lets see...
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Sinister71
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Aug 25 2012, 3:24am
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and how do we know
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MouthofSauron
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Aug 25 2012, 3:39am
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comic con people have said Gollum/Smeagol conversations occur during what was shown of that scene from what I have heard
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Sinister71
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Aug 25 2012, 3:45am
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And many of us have been dissapointed with some of the other reviews,
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AinurOlorin
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Aug 24 2012, 8:04pm
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I also can's say I agree more.
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Mithreinmaethor
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Aug 24 2012, 3:18pm
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Themes.
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Bumblingidiot
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Aug 24 2012, 3:36pm
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I respect ostadan's opinion but I completely disagree! That's the whole point of installing a FORUM, no? :)
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Jago M
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Aug 24 2012, 4:21pm
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Appendices VS. FanFic
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MTT Gandalf
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Aug 24 2012, 5:21pm
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well considering
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Sinister71
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Aug 24 2012, 5:45pm
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Well,
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MTT Gandalf
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Aug 25 2012, 12:54pm
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but the fact remains
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Sinister71
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Aug 25 2012, 3:55pm
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You speak for me very well in this matter.
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AinurOlorin
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Aug 24 2012, 8:18pm
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The fanfic part is bothersome
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Nightwing
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Aug 25 2012, 5:42pm
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This is why I think an different film adaptation of The Hobbit is very likely to
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AinurOlorin
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Aug 25 2012, 6:34pm
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I'd be very surprised if the studios waited 25 years
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Flagg
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Aug 25 2012, 7:12pm
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Flagg
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macfalk
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Aug 25 2012, 7:21pm
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Again, I think The Hobbit is more likely.
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AinurOlorin
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Aug 25 2012, 8:09pm
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Gandalf
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JWPlatt
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Aug 25 2012, 8:25pm
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Interesting point about Gandalf.
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Macfeast
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Aug 25 2012, 8:46pm
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Is Gandalf really a bit part in The Hobbit?
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AinurOlorin
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Aug 25 2012, 9:26pm
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As You Said In A Very Recent Post
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JWPlatt
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Aug 25 2012, 9:32pm
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Touche`. And still, you take my meaning. lol
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AinurOlorin
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Aug 25 2012, 9:35pm
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But rereading LOTR last month
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Aug 25 2012, 8:52pm
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I am actually inclined to agree, but I didn't want to give any devout PJ fans undue
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AinurOlorin
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Aug 25 2012, 8:06pm
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I was never a big fan of the additions
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rings7
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Aug 24 2012, 6:01pm
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I agree
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geordie
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Aug 24 2012, 7:54pm
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My main problem with the article is that it infers too much
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elostirion74
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Aug 24 2012, 8:01pm
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Well I think
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shadowdog
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Aug 24 2012, 10:44pm
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there is more than just either wanting pj to adapt the books into films
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imin
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Aug 24 2012, 10:58pm
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The point
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shadowdog
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Aug 25 2012, 3:21am
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I think most people here are well aware of that..
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elostirion74
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Aug 25 2012, 6:58am
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No
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Aug 24 2012, 11:04pm
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Cuaron made the best HP film...
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Spaldron
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Aug 25 2012, 12:36am
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That is highly debatable.
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AinurOlorin
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Aug 25 2012, 12:49am
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Cuaron
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elostirion74
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Aug 25 2012, 6:51am
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Great points
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Aug 25 2012, 7:09am
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no-one will ever dare attempt to reboot LOTR's
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MouthofSauron
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Aug 25 2012, 7:18am
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Alfonso Cuaron
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Aug 25 2012, 7:34am
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They will be re-adapted one day
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imin
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Aug 25 2012, 8:27am
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IMO, Cuaron is vastly overrated
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macfalk
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Aug 25 2012, 10:42am
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Children of Men
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Aug 25 2012, 7:18pm
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Well
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macfalk
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Aug 25 2012, 7:21pm
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Someone may well eventually re-make Ben Hur. The Ten Commandments has
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AinurOlorin
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Aug 25 2012, 6:01pm
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Not quite
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Flagg
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Aug 25 2012, 6:12pm
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True enough, though you take my meaning.
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AinurOlorin
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Aug 25 2012, 6:18pm
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I actually think we are more likely to get a Hobbit remake within the next 25 years,
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AinurOlorin
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Aug 25 2012, 6:16pm
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Christopher Nolan might do well also.//
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Kangi Ska
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Aug 25 2012, 12:42am
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Oh, yes
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Aug 25 2012, 3:07am
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I´m not sure I understand why you ask
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elostirion74
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Aug 24 2012, 11:49pm
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"it’s not The Hobbit"
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dwarf_girl
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Aug 24 2012, 9:31pm
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I'd just like to go on record...
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Aragorn the Elfstone
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Aug 24 2012, 10:42pm
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Superb article, Ostadan!
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Morthoron
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Aug 25 2012, 2:34am
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I agree with your post, Morthoron
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geordie
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Aug 25 2012, 11:16am
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It's not a franchise //
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macfalk
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Aug 25 2012, 11:19am
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PJ as director
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Noria
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Aug 25 2012, 2:23pm
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Grumpy Old Men
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lyndomiel
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Aug 25 2012, 5:55pm
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Discussion thread edited to remove personal attacks.
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Ataahua
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Aug 25 2012, 9:05pm
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