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I concur, JW...

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Aug 19 2012, 6:16pm


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I've not once slighted PJ for his spectacular cinematography, the look and feel of Middle-earth with the assists of Lee, Howe and Weta, or even switching dialogue from one book character to another (which was done in most instances to marvelous effect).

However, it is the unnecessary script changes (yes, unnecessary and blithely inane in most instances) that prove most irksome and has left the movies unwatchable for me. One is often left scratching their head at some of the "creative license" taken with the original plot -- changes that did not in any way improve upon the original story:

Elrond whining about "Arwen is dying", the goofy warg attack with gangrel hyena-like creatures and Aragorn falling off a cliff (only to be resuscitated by a french kiss from his horse), the cartoonish disennoblement of Denethor, the debasement of Faramir (and the long sequence of Faramir dragging Frodo and Sam to Osgiliath with Frodo offering the Ring to a Nazgul), the green scrubbing bubbles eradicating Sauron's army from Minas Tirith while Legolas surfs down a Mumakil's trunk (thus rendering Rohan's incredibly brave charge utterly useless), the WiKi breaking Gandalf's staff and knocking him to the ground like some dottering old fool -- the list is endless, and not some mere episodic annoyance.

The host of changes were senseless and detracted from the original story and account for countless minutes of screen time better served for character development (not character assassination) or sequences from the original plot that were thought unnecessary in comparison to the scriptwriters' self-aggrandizement (and couldn't we all have lived without the fifteen or so minutes of Aragorn falling off a cliff, or Faramir dragging the hobbits to Osgiliath? They served no important purpose in furthering the plot). Jackson, Boyens, et al, thought they could improvise better, but frankly it was a waste of time. The films most defintitely would be better, and sadly it did not require rocket science to leave well enough alone.

Honestly, wasn't it more stirring hearing phrases uttered from Tolkien's original story (no matter which character said the dialogue) rather than "Arwen is dying" or "Sam, go home", or Frodo, alone and wounded, bravely fending off the Nazgul at the Ford, rather than Xenarwen calling up the flood without the aid of a Ring of Power? Where'd she get that power, and why didn't she just go and defeat Sauron single-handedly?

And now PJ wants to stretch The Hobbit into three movies? Does anyone else get the sinking feeling that the comedic, linear quasi-epic of a hapless and fat Hobbit turned unlikely and lucky hero that has endeared itself to generations of loyal readers will be completely lost in a flood of unsupported and fan-fictional subplots where Tauriel and handsomely undwarf-like dwarves cavort about with Mary-Sue action-adventure poses, spouting ludicrous dialogue?

I fear the scripting more than I would Smaug in person.

Peter Jackson offers great promise with his films. The visual uniqueness, the virtual depth and breadth of his conception of Middle-earth are at times magnificent, leaving one viscerally tingling and emotionally awed. He may be a Michaelangelo from a visual presentation point, but out of the mouth of such Olympian figures comes the voice of Donald Duck.

That is what is most infuriating: to see such awesome sights and be disappointed by so much extraneous and inept material.

Please visit my blog...The Dark Elf File...a slighty skewed journal of music and literary comment, fan-fiction and interminable essays.


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Tolkien Estate HATES these movies? DemoElite Send a private message to DemoElite Aug 18 2012, 3:34pm
    well Lusitano Send a private message to Lusitano Aug 18 2012, 3:39pm
    Christopher Tolkien has every right to hate the films Shelob'sAppetite Send a private message to Shelob'sAppetite Aug 18 2012, 3:40pm
        Wasn't something written that Christopher Refused to see Any of it. Bombadil Send a private message to Bombadil Aug 18 2012, 3:44pm
            Yes, he has Solicitr Send a private message to Solicitr Sep 5 2012, 5:15pm
        As far as I know macfalk Send a private message to macfalk Aug 18 2012, 3:45pm
            In a recent interview Shelob'sAppetite Send a private message to Shelob'sAppetite Aug 18 2012, 3:49pm
                Source? macfalk Send a private message to macfalk Aug 18 2012, 3:51pm
                    See this thread DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Aug 18 2012, 3:54pm
                    Le Monde Lacrimae Rerum Send a private message to Lacrimae Rerum Aug 18 2012, 3:57pm
                    From July of this year in Le Monde Shelob'sAppetite Send a private message to Shelob'sAppetite Aug 18 2012, 3:59pm
                        LOL... I respect CT, I do, but I find his opinion rather myopic! Earl Send a private message to Earl Aug 18 2012, 4:04pm
                            We are all 20 at heart.// Kangi Ska Send a private message to Kangi Ska Aug 19 2012, 1:50am
                            *nods knowingly* This is something grammaboodawg Send a private message to grammaboodawg Aug 19 2012, 1:24pm
                                You're not being minimized and ignored Shelob'sAppetite Send a private message to Shelob'sAppetite Aug 19 2012, 4:16pm
                                    Validation JWPlatt Aug 19 2012, 4:27pm
                                    The issue isn't liking vs. not liking in this case. Elizabeth Send a private message to Elizabeth Aug 19 2012, 6:50pm
                                        *high five* Yeppers :) grammaboodawg Send a private message to grammaboodawg Aug 19 2012, 10:37pm
                                    Well... grammaboodawg Send a private message to grammaboodawg Aug 19 2012, 10:42pm
                                        Did C. Tolkien say it was aimed at young males? imin Send a private message to imin Aug 19 2012, 11:46pm
                                            That that I'm aware of. grammaboodawg Send a private message to grammaboodawg Aug 20 2012, 1:55am
                                                Oh ok imin Send a private message to imin Aug 20 2012, 7:44am
                                            No. geordie Send a private message to geordie Aug 20 2012, 6:11am
                            Can somebody say... Patty Send a private message to Patty Aug 20 2012, 3:39pm
                                It seems to me Shelob'sAppetite Send a private message to Shelob'sAppetite Aug 20 2012, 4:01pm
                                    A decent number... Patty Send a private message to Patty Aug 20 2012, 6:28pm
                                        Why would that cause me offense? Shelob'sAppetite Send a private message to Shelob'sAppetite Aug 20 2012, 7:27pm
                        I find that quote highly amusing. Beutlin Send a private message to Beutlin Aug 18 2012, 4:33pm
                        amusing comment Lusitano Send a private message to Lusitano Aug 18 2012, 4:43pm
                    Source JWPlatt Aug 18 2012, 5:11pm
                        Great conversation... DemoElite Send a private message to DemoElite Aug 18 2012, 5:41pm
                            hmmm Wandering Ranger Send a private message to Wandering Ranger Aug 18 2012, 5:49pm
                            We're looking at this the wrong way DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Aug 18 2012, 6:09pm
        I half agree with you! DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Aug 18 2012, 3:49pm
            well Lusitano Send a private message to Lusitano Aug 18 2012, 4:01pm
                He doesn't "understand many things" Shelob'sAppetite Send a private message to Shelob'sAppetite Aug 18 2012, 4:03pm
                    Shelob Lusitano Send a private message to Lusitano Aug 18 2012, 4:24pm
                        I don't mind criticism of C. Tolkien at all Shelob'sAppetite Send a private message to Shelob'sAppetite Aug 18 2012, 4:37pm
                            sh Lusitano Send a private message to Lusitano Aug 18 2012, 4:50pm
                Everyone is entitled to their own opinion though DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Aug 18 2012, 4:03pm
            Well, not *all* of JRR Tolkien's family are "protective" of his works to the point of disliking the films Earl Send a private message to Earl Aug 18 2012, 4:02pm
                Does this imply Shelob'sAppetite Send a private message to Shelob'sAppetite Aug 18 2012, 4:03pm
                    In the context I used "supercool", yes B-) Earl Send a private message to Earl Aug 18 2012, 4:07pm
                        You've met Royd! DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Aug 18 2012, 4:09pm
                            No, I haven't met him in person Earl Send a private message to Earl Aug 18 2012, 4:15pm
                            Quite a few of us have. Elizabeth Send a private message to Elizabeth Aug 18 2012, 10:14pm
                        But that's unfair Shelob'sAppetite Send a private message to Shelob'sAppetite Aug 18 2012, 4:12pm
                            Well, Peter Jackson did approach the TE back in the day Earl Send a private message to Earl Aug 18 2012, 4:22pm
                                C.Tolkien is very set in his ways and opinions DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Aug 18 2012, 4:28pm
                                    well Lusitano Send a private message to Lusitano Aug 18 2012, 4:32pm
                                        Ifs and buts DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Aug 18 2012, 4:45pm
                                            danielb Lusitano Send a private message to Lusitano Aug 18 2012, 4:53pm
                                    Most old guys I know of are that way...// Maiarmike Send a private message to Maiarmike Aug 18 2012, 6:17pm
                                        Careful - I may resemble that comment :) jschomburg Send a private message to jschomburg Aug 20 2012, 8:32pm
                Ah, yes, I agree Earl. DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Aug 18 2012, 4:06pm
                I think the article did a fine job of explaining, in brief, what protect means (And thank you DanielB for the link) AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Aug 18 2012, 4:59pm
                    Eh, they wouldn't of even had the conversation if it weren't for the movie Tim Send a private message to Tim Aug 18 2012, 5:07pm
                        That person continued to argue even without facts. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Aug 18 2012, 5:58pm
                            Having just come from math class... Tim Send a private message to Tim Aug 18 2012, 8:01pm
                                if I may say so Wandering Ranger Send a private message to Wandering Ranger Aug 18 2012, 8:10pm
                                    My experience is exactly the opposite Tim Send a private message to Tim Aug 18 2012, 8:18pm
                    Also it's my view that Wandering Ranger Send a private message to Wandering Ranger Aug 18 2012, 5:08pm
                    I suppose I'm in the fortunate position on this of not giving two hoots. Lacrimae Rerum Send a private message to Lacrimae Rerum Aug 18 2012, 5:19pm
                        Fortunate indeed. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Aug 18 2012, 5:35pm
                            Well conflicts arise for all sorts of reasons. Lacrimae Rerum Send a private message to Lacrimae Rerum Aug 18 2012, 5:49pm
                                Well there is different. . . and then there is plain wrong. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Aug 18 2012, 6:05pm
                                    It's a different telling of the tale. Lacrimae Rerum Send a private message to Lacrimae Rerum Aug 18 2012, 6:13pm
                                        That is pretty much my belief too Earl Send a private message to Earl Aug 18 2012, 6:21pm
                                            Well, that explains alot AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Aug 18 2012, 6:47pm
                                                No, no, now I'll have to put the tin hat on that one. Lacrimae Rerum Send a private message to Lacrimae Rerum Aug 18 2012, 7:15pm
                                                    If the film is the child AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Aug 18 2012, 7:51pm
                                                        No no Lacrimae Rerum Send a private message to Lacrimae Rerum Aug 18 2012, 8:00pm
                                                            I agree. Wouldn't a good example of this be the tale of King Arthur and Merlin? Tim Send a private message to Tim Aug 18 2012, 8:08pm
                                                            Well, the work is the child, and the film is the child altered AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Aug 18 2012, 8:09pm
                                                                How is a story like a child? Lacrimae Rerum Send a private message to Lacrimae Rerum Aug 18 2012, 8:44pm
                                                                    You made the original child analogy. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Aug 18 2012, 9:30pm
                                                                        I agree with almost all the steps of this Lacrimae Rerum Send a private message to Lacrimae Rerum Aug 18 2012, 9:52pm
                                        Bah and humbug. The Author's account is the true one, AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Aug 18 2012, 6:26pm
                                            Haha have you ever considered starting a religion? Old L.Ron did ok out it. NT Lacrimae Rerum Send a private message to Lacrimae Rerum Aug 18 2012, 6:29pm
                                                lol AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Aug 18 2012, 6:39pm
                He plays the ranger handing out spears before the attack on Osgiliath if I remember rightly? Seaber Send a private message to Seaber Aug 18 2012, 8:41pm
                    Royd played a ranger geordie Send a private message to geordie Aug 18 2012, 9:04pm
                    Here's BBC's interview with Royd from 2003 Earl Send a private message to Earl Aug 19 2012, 8:01am
                        *sighs smiling* He even went beyond cameos and after parties. grammaboodawg Send a private message to grammaboodawg Aug 19 2012, 12:41pm
                            Thanks gramma for confirming that Royd's really a supercool person B-) // Earl Send a private message to Earl Aug 19 2012, 2:41pm
        Bizarro ShelobAppetite Lusitano Send a private message to Lusitano Aug 18 2012, 3:54pm
            From C.Tolkien's perspective DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Aug 18 2012, 3:55pm
                well Lusitano Send a private message to Lusitano Aug 18 2012, 4:06pm
                    Of course Martin and Rowling etc. have a different attitude. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Aug 18 2012, 5:05pm
                        ainur Lusitano Send a private message to Lusitano Aug 18 2012, 5:17pm
                            I can understand why Christopher wouldn't agree to a meeting. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Aug 18 2012, 5:37pm
                                well i just think its a pity Lusitano Send a private message to Lusitano Aug 18 2012, 6:17pm
                                    I can still understand Christopher not wanting to meet. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Aug 18 2012, 6:38pm
                            Kreacher was in the movies solely because JK said he had to be there. Ataahua Send a private message to Ataahua Aug 18 2012, 9:32pm
                Probably not. Only because... Dlanor da Great Send a private message to Dlanor da Great Aug 18 2012, 10:21pm
            What's so Bizarro about it? Shelob'sAppetite Send a private message to Shelob'sAppetite Aug 18 2012, 4:01pm
                well Lusitano Send a private message to Lusitano Aug 18 2012, 4:02pm
            This seems a little obnoxious as an assertion AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Aug 18 2012, 4:10pm
                hmm Lusitano Send a private message to Lusitano Aug 18 2012, 4:30pm
                    Ah, bizzaro. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Aug 18 2012, 5:30pm
                        yes Lusitano Send a private message to Lusitano Aug 18 2012, 5:33pm
        I'm sorry rings7 Send a private message to rings7 Aug 18 2012, 9:10pm
            I think the films Shelob'sAppetite Send a private message to Shelob'sAppetite Aug 18 2012, 9:11pm
                Ok rings7 Send a private message to rings7 Aug 18 2012, 9:15pm
                    Not necessarily Shelob'sAppetite Send a private message to Shelob'sAppetite Aug 18 2012, 9:21pm
    It would have been nice if The Tolkiens had been allowed at least some AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Aug 18 2012, 4:28pm
        I wouldn't say the HP films are any more faithful than the LOTR films DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Aug 18 2012, 4:31pm
        As I said above Earl Send a private message to Earl Aug 18 2012, 4:34pm
            I agree, very sad. macfalk Send a private message to macfalk Aug 18 2012, 4:38pm
                If Shelob'sAppetite Send a private message to Shelob'sAppetite Aug 18 2012, 4:44pm
                    And Heavenly Creatures... macfalk Send a private message to macfalk Aug 18 2012, 4:47pm
                        JRR Tolkien was not your father Shelob'sAppetite Send a private message to Shelob'sAppetite Aug 18 2012, 4:52pm
                            well Lusitano Send a private message to Lusitano Aug 18 2012, 4:56pm
                            Yes, I have to agree DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Aug 18 2012, 4:58pm
                        I may be wrong here but... Spaldron Send a private message to Spaldron Aug 18 2012, 5:31pm
                            well Wandering Ranger Send a private message to Wandering Ranger Aug 18 2012, 5:38pm
                                Tolkien sold the rights years ago... Spaldron Send a private message to Spaldron Aug 18 2012, 5:52pm
                                    without wishing to start an argument Wandering Ranger Send a private message to Wandering Ranger Aug 18 2012, 5:58pm
                                    "Don't Confuse Me With The Facts!" JWPlatt Aug 18 2012, 6:06pm
                                        Indeed Phibbus Send a private message to Phibbus Aug 18 2012, 6:39pm
                                            The Tolkien Trust Elizabeth Send a private message to Elizabeth Aug 18 2012, 10:33pm
                                        No quite what I meant Spaldron Send a private message to Spaldron Aug 18 2012, 6:53pm
                                            Worse JWPlatt Aug 18 2012, 9:55pm
                                                Sorry but... Spaldron Send a private message to Spaldron Aug 19 2012, 1:08am
                                                    I feel like Harry Potter analogies aren't going to get you anywhere. GoodGuyA Send a private message to GoodGuyA Aug 19 2012, 1:59am
                                                    This macfalk Send a private message to macfalk Aug 19 2012, 9:05am
                                                        But... Silverlode Send a private message to Silverlode Aug 19 2012, 10:19am
                                                            *mods up*// Eowyn of Penns Woods Send a private message to Eowyn of Penns Woods Aug 19 2012, 3:06pm
                                                            Mods up, too.// geordie Send a private message to geordie Aug 19 2012, 3:22pm
                                                            Silverlode's post should be pretty much the last word on this thread. RosieLass Send a private message to RosieLass Aug 20 2012, 4:11am
                                                                Amen, Rosie Shelob'sAppetite Send a private message to Shelob'sAppetite Aug 20 2012, 5:51am
                                                                Exactly! // geordie Send a private message to geordie Aug 20 2012, 6:12am
                                                                Not quite exact. sador Send a private message to sador Aug 20 2012, 7:06am
                                                                    Christopher Tolkien was actively involved in the creation of LOTR, too. RosieLass Send a private message to RosieLass Aug 20 2012, 8:04pm
                                                                        Further to Rosie's post: here's a link geordie Send a private message to geordie Aug 20 2012, 8:12pm
                                                        Hush Money JWPlatt Aug 19 2012, 3:29pm
                                                            What I find quite amusing here... Spaldron Send a private message to Spaldron Aug 19 2012, 4:38pm
                                                                Who said CT is above criticism? Shelob'sAppetite Send a private message to Shelob'sAppetite Aug 19 2012, 4:41pm
                                                                CTs comments unwise macfalk Send a private message to macfalk Aug 19 2012, 5:36pm
                                                                *whispers... geordie Send a private message to geordie Aug 19 2012, 5:45pm
                                                                    Single Dream JWPlatt Aug 19 2012, 5:59pm
                                                                    Oops. Spaldron Send a private message to Spaldron Aug 19 2012, 6:03pm
                                                                        Due Diligence JWPlatt Aug 19 2012, 6:12pm
                                                                        Yes, it's misleading, isn't it? geordie Send a private message to geordie Aug 19 2012, 6:39pm
                                                                            Single Dream... JWPlatt Aug 19 2012, 6:52pm
                                                                                I think the makers of the EE probably got it from a quotes site geordie Send a private message to geordie Aug 19 2012, 7:09pm
                                                                                    The net is like a petri dish - everything grows well in it Magpie Send a private message to Magpie Aug 19 2012, 7:38pm
                                                                                        As can be seen - geordie Send a private message to geordie Aug 19 2012, 8:12pm
                                                                        Here's another one - geordie Send a private message to geordie Aug 19 2012, 6:49pm
                                                                            Loosely based on a passage or two by Tolkien... Otaku-sempai Send a private message to Otaku-sempai Aug 19 2012, 6:54pm
                                                                                Actually, I can't put my finger on what those passages might be - geordie Send a private message to geordie Aug 19 2012, 7:11pm
                                                                                    Specifically? Otaku-sempai Send a private message to Otaku-sempai Aug 19 2012, 7:25pm
                                                                                        Ah, thanks for that - geordie Send a private message to geordie Aug 19 2012, 7:46pm
                                                                                            Psst geordie... sador Send a private message to sador Aug 20 2012, 7:09am
                                                                                                He is not ElendilTheShort Send a private message to ElendilTheShort Aug 20 2012, 7:59am
                                                                                                Let's have a look... geordie Send a private message to geordie Aug 20 2012, 5:02pm
                                                                                                    "Then it was late in coming" sador Send a private message to sador Aug 21 2012, 12:45pm
                                                                                                        Ingrates? JWPlatt Aug 21 2012, 2:42pm
                                                                                                            Well, the Valar have a history of mucking things up... Morthoron Send a private message to Morthoron Aug 21 2012, 4:45pm
                                                                                                        If he only had a vision ElendilTheShort Send a private message to ElendilTheShort Aug 22 2012, 2:15am
                                                                                                            nice commentary DemoElite Send a private message to DemoElite Aug 22 2012, 2:44am
                                                                                                            This is a complicated question sador Send a private message to sador Aug 22 2012, 7:52am
                                                                                                                i have never read it as such imin Send a private message to imin Aug 22 2012, 8:11am
                                                                                                        Read 154 ElendilTheShort Send a private message to ElendilTheShort Aug 22 2012, 7:35am
                                                                                                            "supposed" is a very strong qualifier sador Send a private message to sador Aug 22 2012, 7:59am
                                                                                                                For myself ElendilTheShort Send a private message to ElendilTheShort Aug 22 2012, 8:52am
                                                                                                                I will say ElendilTheShort Send a private message to ElendilTheShort Aug 22 2012, 9:20am
                                                                                                                    Literary Cowardice JWPlatt Aug 22 2012, 4:06pm
                                                                                            Far green country Zubeneschamali Send a private message to Zubeneschamali Aug 20 2012, 9:57am
                                                                                                Well that rather depends Lacrimae Rerum Send a private message to Lacrimae Rerum Aug 20 2012, 12:18pm
                                                                                                I'm with you on this Phibbus Send a private message to Phibbus Aug 20 2012, 12:46pm
                                                                                            Well, there are Frodo's verses... Otaku-sempai Send a private message to Otaku-sempai Aug 20 2012, 7:56pm
                                                                            LOL! Yes, those are the lyrics to the Rankin-Bass "Hobbit" theme song! dernwyn Send a private message to dernwyn Aug 19 2012, 7:55pm
                                                                                It's pret-ty banal, isn't it? geordie Send a private message to geordie Aug 19 2012, 8:51pm
                                                                                Here's another one, from the same page - geordie Send a private message to geordie Aug 19 2012, 9:04pm
                                                                                    Are you referring to..? Gwytha Send a private message to Gwytha Aug 19 2012, 9:18pm
                                                                                        Yes, that's it. :-) // geordie Send a private message to geordie Aug 19 2012, 9:52pm
                                                Your reasoning is flawed... Otaku-sempai Send a private message to Otaku-sempai Aug 19 2012, 6:00pm
                                                    Profits JWPlatt Aug 19 2012, 6:10pm
                                                        You misunderstand me. Otaku-sempai Send a private message to Otaku-sempai Aug 19 2012, 6:14pm
                                        Great points Shelob'sAppetite Send a private message to Shelob'sAppetite Aug 18 2012, 8:45pm
                                    The Voice of Saruman and the Call of Mammon Finrod Send a private message to Finrod Aug 18 2012, 7:37pm
                                        I'd be happy to respond... Spaldron Send a private message to Spaldron Aug 19 2012, 12:38am
                                I agree with both your latest posts geordie Send a private message to geordie Aug 18 2012, 6:17pm
                            LOTR is not a book for Adolescents. Neither is The Hobbit, per se, but from a different angle AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Aug 18 2012, 5:55pm
                    I've always viewed him as largely ungrateful. Maiarmike Send a private message to Maiarmike Aug 18 2012, 6:24pm
                        Maybe he thinks respect for his father's life-work is more important than money. // RosieLass Send a private message to RosieLass Aug 18 2012, 6:39pm
                            Hence, my first mention being about all that Jackson has done to further Tolkien's influence... Maiarmike Send a private message to Maiarmike Aug 18 2012, 7:12pm
                                was that to me? Wandering Ranger Send a private message to Wandering Ranger Aug 18 2012, 7:13pm
                                    No, my response was to RosieLass. Maiarmike Send a private message to Maiarmike Aug 18 2012, 7:15pm
                                        I did not twist anything. RosieLass Send a private message to RosieLass Aug 18 2012, 9:38pm
                                You think PJ created an intelligent and respectful version of the story Shelob'sAppetite Send a private message to Shelob'sAppetite Aug 18 2012, 8:51pm
                        You know, it is a funny thing, but some people would rather AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Aug 18 2012, 6:40pm
                            That's right - geordie Send a private message to geordie Aug 18 2012, 6:49pm
                        Here here. Spaldron Send a private message to Spaldron Aug 18 2012, 6:56pm
                    Well in that case Lindele Send a private message to Lindele Aug 18 2012, 6:59pm
                        but Wandering Ranger Send a private message to Wandering Ranger Aug 18 2012, 7:10pm
    Success Stories JWPlatt Aug 18 2012, 4:38pm
    Doesn't really matter Tim Send a private message to Tim Aug 18 2012, 4:44pm
        Perfectly put.// Gorbag Send a private message to Gorbag Aug 18 2012, 7:33pm
    Christopher Tolkien is simply too close to the source material sycorax82 Send a private message to sycorax82 Aug 18 2012, 8:39pm
        The funny thing about this stat Shelob'sAppetite Send a private message to Shelob'sAppetite Aug 18 2012, 8:56pm
            I'll pitch it to my superviser in my next meeting with him DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Aug 18 2012, 9:06pm
            Couldn't agree more.// geordie Send a private message to geordie Aug 18 2012, 9:07pm
            I said it strengthens my argument... Tim Send a private message to Tim Aug 18 2012, 9:07pm
                Yet how many more people will see the movies without picking up the books? AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Aug 18 2012, 9:23pm
                    Right, and people often ignore the question... Shelob'sAppetite Send a private message to Shelob'sAppetite Aug 18 2012, 9:26pm
                        Sort of moot Phibbus Send a private message to Phibbus Aug 18 2012, 9:40pm
                            That's interesting. Lacrimae Rerum Send a private message to Lacrimae Rerum Aug 18 2012, 10:01pm
                        I read the book on recommendation from my Mum and sister DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Aug 18 2012, 9:44pm
                    Why? Do the people who don't read the books live in a social vacuum? Tim Send a private message to Tim Aug 18 2012, 9:44pm
                    ROTK won an Academy Award for Best picture... DemoElite Send a private message to DemoElite Aug 18 2012, 10:10pm
                        To many people, the Oscars mean nothing DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Aug 18 2012, 10:15pm
                            Agreed about the oscars... DemoElite Send a private message to DemoElite Aug 18 2012, 10:23pm
                                LOTR was not good film especially in terms of quality... Tigero Send a private message to Tigero Aug 19 2012, 7:30am
                                    I don't think it makes them bad films DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Aug 19 2012, 7:42am
                                        Yes it still has parts that would deserve an oscar on their own Tigero Send a private message to Tigero Aug 19 2012, 9:42am
                        I never said it was a terrible movie. I am personally rather fond of it. So much so AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Aug 19 2012, 5:29am
            From past experience... Morthoron Send a private message to Morthoron Aug 18 2012, 9:26pm
        Couldn't agree more! / DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Aug 18 2012, 9:04pm
            Oh, I bet you could! Shelob'sAppetite Send a private message to Shelob'sAppetite Aug 18 2012, 9:07pm
                I could? / DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Aug 18 2012, 9:09pm
    I am shocked by some people's views on here imin Send a private message to imin Aug 18 2012, 10:19pm
        Im more shocked that.... Dlanor da Great Send a private message to Dlanor da Great Aug 18 2012, 10:38pm
        Well said. DesiringDragons Send a private message to DesiringDragons Aug 19 2012, 2:56pm
            Amen Shelob'sAppetite Send a private message to Shelob'sAppetite Aug 19 2012, 4:19pm
                The Oscar and BAFTA winning screenplay which Lacrimae Rerum Send a private message to Lacrimae Rerum Aug 19 2012, 4:24pm
                    Yes Shelob'sAppetite Send a private message to Shelob'sAppetite Aug 19 2012, 4:38pm
                        I bet you're a Razzie man DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Aug 19 2012, 4:43pm
                        Well not quite Lacrimae Rerum Send a private message to Lacrimae Rerum Aug 19 2012, 5:32pm
                            Well, that's because I find it very tiresome Shelob'sAppetite Send a private message to Shelob'sAppetite Aug 19 2012, 8:09pm
                                Well said geordie Send a private message to geordie Aug 19 2012, 8:19pm
                                Maybe it's the brevity Lacrimae Rerum Send a private message to Lacrimae Rerum Aug 19 2012, 8:25pm
                                    Brevity Shelob'sAppetite Send a private message to Shelob'sAppetite Aug 19 2012, 8:40pm
                                        If you had said this... Spaldron Send a private message to Spaldron Aug 20 2012, 12:07am
                    Writers JWPlatt Aug 19 2012, 4:45pm
                        People want different things. Escapist Send a private message to Escapist Aug 19 2012, 5:10pm
                        I'm not sure the audience felt they were damned. Lacrimae Rerum Send a private message to Lacrimae Rerum Aug 19 2012, 5:34pm
                        I concur, JW... Morthoron Send a private message to Morthoron Aug 19 2012, 6:16pm
                            I cannot do much other than bow my acknowledgent of the general accuracy of this post AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Aug 19 2012, 8:01pm
                        Very well said, JWplatt AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Aug 19 2012, 7:54pm
                    Zimmerman treatment retread Solicitr Send a private message to Solicitr Sep 5 2012, 5:34pm
                        Nature JWPlatt Sep 5 2012, 5:57pm
    The opinion of CT matters. Escapist Send a private message to Escapist Aug 19 2012, 5:19pm
    I'm sure it wasn't a ploy Gwytha Send a private message to Gwytha Aug 19 2012, 8:28pm

 
 
 

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