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Earl
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Aug 18 2012, 4:34pm
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PJ did reach out to them, so his intentions were, indeed, as he said, to make the best adaptation he could. As one who likes PJ's films a lot and yet believes they could have been so much better, I can only shake my head in sadness.
The Plan 9 Interview... in celebration of the 10th anniversary of the release of The Fellowship of the Ring.
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Time
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Tolkien Estate HATES these movies?
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DemoElite
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Aug 18 2012, 3:34pm
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well
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Lusitano
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Aug 18 2012, 3:39pm
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Christopher Tolkien has every right to hate the films
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Aug 18 2012, 3:40pm
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Wasn't something written that Christopher Refused to see Any of it.
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Bombadil
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Aug 18 2012, 3:44pm
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Yes, he has
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Solicitr
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Sep 5 2012, 5:15pm
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As far as I know
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macfalk
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Aug 18 2012, 3:45pm
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In a recent interview
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Aug 18 2012, 3:49pm
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Source?
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macfalk
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Aug 18 2012, 3:51pm
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See this thread
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DanielLB
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Aug 18 2012, 3:54pm
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Le Monde
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Aug 18 2012, 3:57pm
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From July of this year in Le Monde
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Aug 18 2012, 3:59pm
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LOL... I respect CT, I do, but I find his opinion rather myopic!
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Earl
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Aug 18 2012, 4:04pm
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We are all 20 at heart.//
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Kangi Ska
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Aug 19 2012, 1:50am
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*nods knowingly* This is something
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grammaboodawg
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Aug 19 2012, 1:24pm
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You're not being minimized and ignored
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Aug 19 2012, 4:16pm
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Validation
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JWPlatt
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Aug 19 2012, 4:27pm
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The issue isn't liking vs. not liking in this case.
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Elizabeth
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Aug 19 2012, 6:50pm
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*high five* Yeppers :)
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grammaboodawg
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Aug 19 2012, 10:37pm
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Well...
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grammaboodawg
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Aug 19 2012, 10:42pm
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Did C. Tolkien say it was aimed at young males?
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imin
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Aug 19 2012, 11:46pm
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That that I'm aware of.
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grammaboodawg
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Aug 20 2012, 1:55am
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Oh ok
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imin
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Aug 20 2012, 7:44am
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No.
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geordie
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Aug 20 2012, 6:11am
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Can somebody say...
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Patty
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Aug 20 2012, 3:39pm
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It seems to me
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Aug 20 2012, 4:01pm
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A decent number...
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Patty
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Aug 20 2012, 6:28pm
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Why would that cause me offense?
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Aug 20 2012, 7:27pm
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I find that quote highly amusing.
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Beutlin
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Aug 18 2012, 4:33pm
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amusing comment
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Lusitano
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Aug 18 2012, 4:43pm
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Source
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JWPlatt
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Aug 18 2012, 5:11pm
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Great conversation...
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DemoElite
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Aug 18 2012, 5:41pm
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hmmm
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Wandering Ranger
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Aug 18 2012, 5:49pm
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We're looking at this the wrong way
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DanielLB
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Aug 18 2012, 6:09pm
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I half agree with you!
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DanielLB
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Aug 18 2012, 3:49pm
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well
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Lusitano
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Aug 18 2012, 4:01pm
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He doesn't "understand many things"
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Aug 18 2012, 4:03pm
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Shelob
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Lusitano
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Aug 18 2012, 4:24pm
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I don't mind criticism of C. Tolkien at all
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Aug 18 2012, 4:37pm
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sh
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Lusitano
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Aug 18 2012, 4:50pm
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Everyone is entitled to their own opinion though
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DanielLB
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Aug 18 2012, 4:03pm
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Well, not *all* of JRR Tolkien's family are "protective" of his works to the point of disliking the films
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Earl
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Aug 18 2012, 4:02pm
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Does this imply
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Aug 18 2012, 4:03pm
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In the context I used "supercool", yes B-)
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Earl
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Aug 18 2012, 4:07pm
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You've met Royd!
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DanielLB
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Aug 18 2012, 4:09pm
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No, I haven't met him in person
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Earl
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Aug 18 2012, 4:15pm
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Quite a few of us have.
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Elizabeth
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Aug 18 2012, 10:14pm
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But that's unfair
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Aug 18 2012, 4:12pm
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Well, Peter Jackson did approach the TE back in the day
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Earl
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Aug 18 2012, 4:22pm
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C.Tolkien is very set in his ways and opinions
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DanielLB
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Aug 18 2012, 4:28pm
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well
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Lusitano
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Aug 18 2012, 4:32pm
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Ifs and buts
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DanielLB
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Aug 18 2012, 4:45pm
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danielb
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Lusitano
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Aug 18 2012, 4:53pm
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Most old guys I know of are that way...//
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Maiarmike
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Aug 18 2012, 6:17pm
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Careful - I may resemble that comment :)
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jschomburg
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Aug 20 2012, 8:32pm
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Ah, yes, I agree Earl.
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DanielLB
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Aug 18 2012, 4:06pm
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I think the article did a fine job of explaining, in brief, what protect means (And thank you DanielB for the link)
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AinurOlorin
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Aug 18 2012, 4:59pm
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Eh, they wouldn't of even had the conversation if it weren't for the movie
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Tim
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Aug 18 2012, 5:07pm
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That person continued to argue even without facts.
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AinurOlorin
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Aug 18 2012, 5:58pm
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Having just come from math class...
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Tim
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Aug 18 2012, 8:01pm
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if I may say so
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Wandering Ranger
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Aug 18 2012, 8:10pm
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My experience is exactly the opposite
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Tim
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Aug 18 2012, 8:18pm
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Also it's my view that
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Wandering Ranger
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Aug 18 2012, 5:08pm
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I suppose I'm in the fortunate position on this of not giving two hoots.
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Aug 18 2012, 5:19pm
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Fortunate indeed.
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AinurOlorin
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Aug 18 2012, 5:35pm
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Well conflicts arise for all sorts of reasons.
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Aug 18 2012, 5:49pm
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Well there is different. . . and then there is plain wrong.
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AinurOlorin
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Aug 18 2012, 6:05pm
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It's a different telling of the tale.
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Aug 18 2012, 6:13pm
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That is pretty much my belief too
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Earl
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Aug 18 2012, 6:21pm
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Well, that explains alot
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AinurOlorin
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Aug 18 2012, 6:47pm
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No, no, now I'll have to put the tin hat on that one.
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Aug 18 2012, 7:15pm
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If the film is the child
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AinurOlorin
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Aug 18 2012, 7:51pm
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No no
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Aug 18 2012, 8:00pm
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I agree. Wouldn't a good example of this be the tale of King Arthur and Merlin?
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Tim
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Aug 18 2012, 8:08pm
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Well, the work is the child, and the film is the child altered
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AinurOlorin
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Aug 18 2012, 8:09pm
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How is a story like a child?
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Aug 18 2012, 8:44pm
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You made the original child analogy.
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AinurOlorin
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Aug 18 2012, 9:30pm
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I agree with almost all the steps of this
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Aug 18 2012, 9:52pm
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Bah and humbug. The Author's account is the true one,
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AinurOlorin
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Aug 18 2012, 6:26pm
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Haha have you ever considered starting a religion? Old L.Ron did ok out it. NT
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Aug 18 2012, 6:29pm
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lol
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AinurOlorin
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Aug 18 2012, 6:39pm
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He plays the ranger handing out spears before the attack on Osgiliath if I remember rightly?
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Seaber
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Aug 18 2012, 8:41pm
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Royd played a ranger
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geordie
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Aug 18 2012, 9:04pm
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Here's BBC's interview with Royd from 2003
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Earl
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Aug 19 2012, 8:01am
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*sighs smiling* He even went beyond cameos and after parties.
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grammaboodawg
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Aug 19 2012, 12:41pm
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Thanks gramma for confirming that Royd's really a supercool person B-) //
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Earl
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Aug 19 2012, 2:41pm
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Bizarro ShelobAppetite
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Lusitano
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Aug 18 2012, 3:54pm
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From C.Tolkien's perspective
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DanielLB
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Aug 18 2012, 3:55pm
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well
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Lusitano
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Aug 18 2012, 4:06pm
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Of course Martin and Rowling etc. have a different attitude.
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AinurOlorin
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Aug 18 2012, 5:05pm
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ainur
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Lusitano
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Aug 18 2012, 5:17pm
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I can understand why Christopher wouldn't agree to a meeting.
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AinurOlorin
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Aug 18 2012, 5:37pm
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well i just think its a pity
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Lusitano
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Aug 18 2012, 6:17pm
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I can still understand Christopher not wanting to meet.
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AinurOlorin
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Aug 18 2012, 6:38pm
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Kreacher was in the movies solely because JK said he had to be there.
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Ataahua
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Aug 18 2012, 9:32pm
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Probably not. Only because...
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Dlanor da Great
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Aug 18 2012, 10:21pm
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What's so Bizarro about it?
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Aug 18 2012, 4:01pm
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well
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Lusitano
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Aug 18 2012, 4:02pm
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This seems a little obnoxious as an assertion
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AinurOlorin
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Aug 18 2012, 4:10pm
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hmm
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Lusitano
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Aug 18 2012, 4:30pm
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Ah, bizzaro.
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AinurOlorin
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Aug 18 2012, 5:30pm
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yes
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Lusitano
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Aug 18 2012, 5:33pm
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I'm sorry
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rings7
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Aug 18 2012, 9:10pm
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I think the films
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Aug 18 2012, 9:11pm
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Ok
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rings7
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Aug 18 2012, 9:15pm
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Not necessarily
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Aug 18 2012, 9:21pm
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It would have been nice if The Tolkiens had been allowed at least some
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AinurOlorin
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Aug 18 2012, 4:28pm
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I wouldn't say the HP films are any more faithful than the LOTR films
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DanielLB
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Aug 18 2012, 4:31pm
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As I said above
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Earl
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Aug 18 2012, 4:34pm
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I agree, very sad.
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macfalk
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Aug 18 2012, 4:38pm
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If
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Aug 18 2012, 4:44pm
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And Heavenly Creatures...
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macfalk
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Aug 18 2012, 4:47pm
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JRR Tolkien was not your father
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Aug 18 2012, 4:52pm
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well
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Lusitano
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Aug 18 2012, 4:56pm
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Yes, I have to agree
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DanielLB
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Aug 18 2012, 4:58pm
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I may be wrong here but...
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Spaldron
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Aug 18 2012, 5:31pm
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well
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Wandering Ranger
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Aug 18 2012, 5:38pm
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Tolkien sold the rights years ago...
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Spaldron
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Aug 18 2012, 5:52pm
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without wishing to start an argument
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Wandering Ranger
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Aug 18 2012, 5:58pm
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"Don't Confuse Me With The Facts!"
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JWPlatt
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Aug 18 2012, 6:06pm
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Indeed
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Phibbus
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Aug 18 2012, 6:39pm
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The Tolkien Trust
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Elizabeth
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Aug 18 2012, 10:33pm
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No quite what I meant
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Spaldron
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Aug 18 2012, 6:53pm
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Worse
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JWPlatt
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Aug 18 2012, 9:55pm
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Sorry but...
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Spaldron
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Aug 19 2012, 1:08am
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I feel like Harry Potter analogies aren't going to get you anywhere.
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GoodGuyA
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Aug 19 2012, 1:59am
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This
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macfalk
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Aug 19 2012, 9:05am
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But...
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Silverlode
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Aug 19 2012, 10:19am
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*mods up*//
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Eowyn of Penns Woods
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Aug 19 2012, 3:06pm
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Mods up, too.//
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geordie
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Aug 19 2012, 3:22pm
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Silverlode's post should be pretty much the last word on this thread.
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RosieLass
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Aug 20 2012, 4:11am
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Amen, Rosie
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Aug 20 2012, 5:51am
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Exactly! //
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geordie
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Aug 20 2012, 6:12am
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Not quite exact.
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sador
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Aug 20 2012, 7:06am
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Christopher Tolkien was actively involved in the creation of LOTR, too.
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RosieLass
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Aug 20 2012, 8:04pm
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Further to Rosie's post: here's a link
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geordie
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Aug 20 2012, 8:12pm
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Hush Money
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JWPlatt
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Aug 19 2012, 3:29pm
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What I find quite amusing here...
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Spaldron
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Aug 19 2012, 4:38pm
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Who said CT is above criticism?
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Aug 19 2012, 4:41pm
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CTs comments unwise
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macfalk
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Aug 19 2012, 5:36pm
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*whispers...
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geordie
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Aug 19 2012, 5:45pm
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Single Dream
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JWPlatt
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Aug 19 2012, 5:59pm
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Oops.
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Spaldron
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Aug 19 2012, 6:03pm
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Due Diligence
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JWPlatt
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Aug 19 2012, 6:12pm
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Yes, it's misleading, isn't it?
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geordie
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Aug 19 2012, 6:39pm
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Single Dream...
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JWPlatt
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Aug 19 2012, 6:52pm
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I think the makers of the EE probably got it from a quotes site
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geordie
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Aug 19 2012, 7:09pm
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The net is like a petri dish - everything grows well in it
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Magpie
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Aug 19 2012, 7:38pm
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As can be seen -
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geordie
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Aug 19 2012, 8:12pm
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Here's another one -
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geordie
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Aug 19 2012, 6:49pm
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Loosely based on a passage or two by Tolkien...
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Otaku-sempai
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Aug 19 2012, 6:54pm
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Actually, I can't put my finger on what those passages might be -
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geordie
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Aug 19 2012, 7:11pm
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Specifically?
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Otaku-sempai
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Aug 19 2012, 7:25pm
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Ah, thanks for that -
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geordie
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Aug 19 2012, 7:46pm
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Psst geordie...
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sador
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Aug 20 2012, 7:09am
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He is not
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ElendilTheShort
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Aug 20 2012, 7:59am
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Let's have a look...
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geordie
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Aug 20 2012, 5:02pm
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"Then it was late in coming"
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sador
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Aug 21 2012, 12:45pm
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Ingrates?
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JWPlatt
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Aug 21 2012, 2:42pm
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Well, the Valar have a history of mucking things up...
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Morthoron
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Aug 21 2012, 4:45pm
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If he only had a vision
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ElendilTheShort
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Aug 22 2012, 2:15am
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nice commentary
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DemoElite
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Aug 22 2012, 2:44am
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This is a complicated question
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sador
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Aug 22 2012, 7:52am
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i have never read it as such
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imin
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Aug 22 2012, 8:11am
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Read 154
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ElendilTheShort
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Aug 22 2012, 7:35am
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"supposed" is a very strong qualifier
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sador
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Aug 22 2012, 7:59am
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For myself
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ElendilTheShort
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Aug 22 2012, 8:52am
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I will say
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ElendilTheShort
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Aug 22 2012, 9:20am
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Literary Cowardice
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JWPlatt
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Aug 22 2012, 4:06pm
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Far green country
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Zubeneschamali
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Aug 20 2012, 9:57am
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Well that rather depends
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Aug 20 2012, 12:18pm
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I'm with you on this
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Phibbus
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Aug 20 2012, 12:46pm
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Well, there are Frodo's verses...
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Otaku-sempai
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Aug 20 2012, 7:56pm
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LOL! Yes, those are the lyrics to the Rankin-Bass "Hobbit" theme song!
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dernwyn
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Aug 19 2012, 7:55pm
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It's pret-ty banal, isn't it?
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geordie
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Aug 19 2012, 8:51pm
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Here's another one, from the same page -
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geordie
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Aug 19 2012, 9:04pm
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Are you referring to..?
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Gwytha
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Aug 19 2012, 9:18pm
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Yes, that's it. :-) //
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geordie
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Aug 19 2012, 9:52pm
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Your reasoning is flawed...
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Otaku-sempai
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Aug 19 2012, 6:00pm
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Profits
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JWPlatt
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Aug 19 2012, 6:10pm
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You misunderstand me.
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Otaku-sempai
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Aug 19 2012, 6:14pm
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Great points
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Aug 18 2012, 8:45pm
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The Voice of Saruman and the Call of Mammon
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Finrod
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Aug 18 2012, 7:37pm
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I'd be happy to respond...
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Spaldron
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Aug 19 2012, 12:38am
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I agree with both your latest posts
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geordie
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Aug 18 2012, 6:17pm
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LOTR is not a book for Adolescents. Neither is The Hobbit, per se, but from a different angle
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AinurOlorin
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Aug 18 2012, 5:55pm
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I've always viewed him as largely ungrateful.
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Maiarmike
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Aug 18 2012, 6:24pm
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Maybe he thinks respect for his father's life-work is more important than money. //
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RosieLass
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Aug 18 2012, 6:39pm
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Hence, my first mention being about all that Jackson has done to further Tolkien's influence...
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Maiarmike
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Aug 18 2012, 7:12pm
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was that to me?
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Wandering Ranger
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Aug 18 2012, 7:13pm
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No, my response was to RosieLass.
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Maiarmike
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Aug 18 2012, 7:15pm
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I did not twist anything.
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RosieLass
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Aug 18 2012, 9:38pm
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You think PJ created an intelligent and respectful version of the story
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Aug 18 2012, 8:51pm
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You know, it is a funny thing, but some people would rather
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AinurOlorin
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Aug 18 2012, 6:40pm
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That's right -
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geordie
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Aug 18 2012, 6:49pm
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Here here.
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Spaldron
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Aug 18 2012, 6:56pm
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Well in that case
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Lindele
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Aug 18 2012, 6:59pm
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but
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Wandering Ranger
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Aug 18 2012, 7:10pm
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Success Stories
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JWPlatt
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Aug 18 2012, 4:38pm
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Doesn't really matter
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Tim
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Aug 18 2012, 4:44pm
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Perfectly put.//
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Gorbag
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Aug 18 2012, 7:33pm
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Christopher Tolkien is simply too close to the source material
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sycorax82
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Aug 18 2012, 8:39pm
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The funny thing about this stat
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Aug 18 2012, 8:56pm
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I'll pitch it to my superviser in my next meeting with him
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DanielLB
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Aug 18 2012, 9:06pm
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Couldn't agree more.//
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geordie
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Aug 18 2012, 9:07pm
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I said it strengthens my argument...
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Tim
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Aug 18 2012, 9:07pm
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Yet how many more people will see the movies without picking up the books?
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AinurOlorin
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Aug 18 2012, 9:23pm
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Right, and people often ignore the question...
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Aug 18 2012, 9:26pm
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Sort of moot
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Phibbus
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Aug 18 2012, 9:40pm
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That's interesting.
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Aug 18 2012, 10:01pm
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I read the book on recommendation from my Mum and sister
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DanielLB
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Aug 18 2012, 9:44pm
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Why? Do the people who don't read the books live in a social vacuum?
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Tim
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Aug 18 2012, 9:44pm
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ROTK won an Academy Award for Best picture...
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DemoElite
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Aug 18 2012, 10:10pm
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To many people, the Oscars mean nothing
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DanielLB
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Aug 18 2012, 10:15pm
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Agreed about the oscars...
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DemoElite
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Aug 18 2012, 10:23pm
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LOTR was not good film especially in terms of quality...
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Tigero
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Aug 19 2012, 7:30am
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I don't think it makes them bad films
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DanielLB
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Aug 19 2012, 7:42am
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Yes it still has parts that would deserve an oscar on their own
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Tigero
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Aug 19 2012, 9:42am
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I never said it was a terrible movie. I am personally rather fond of it. So much so
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AinurOlorin
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Aug 19 2012, 5:29am
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From past experience...
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Morthoron
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Aug 18 2012, 9:26pm
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Couldn't agree more! /
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DanielLB
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Aug 18 2012, 9:04pm
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Oh, I bet you could!
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Aug 18 2012, 9:07pm
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I could? /
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DanielLB
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Aug 18 2012, 9:09pm
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I am shocked by some people's views on here
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imin
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Aug 18 2012, 10:19pm
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Im more shocked that....
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Dlanor da Great
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Aug 18 2012, 10:38pm
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Well said.
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DesiringDragons
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Aug 19 2012, 2:56pm
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Amen
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Aug 19 2012, 4:19pm
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The Oscar and BAFTA winning screenplay which
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Aug 19 2012, 4:24pm
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Yes
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Aug 19 2012, 4:38pm
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I bet you're a Razzie man
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DanielLB
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Aug 19 2012, 4:43pm
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Well not quite
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Aug 19 2012, 5:32pm
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Well, that's because I find it very tiresome
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Aug 19 2012, 8:09pm
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Well said
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geordie
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Aug 19 2012, 8:19pm
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Maybe it's the brevity
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Aug 19 2012, 8:25pm
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Brevity
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Aug 19 2012, 8:40pm
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If you had said this...
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Spaldron
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Aug 20 2012, 12:07am
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Writers
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JWPlatt
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Aug 19 2012, 4:45pm
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People want different things.
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Escapist
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Aug 19 2012, 5:10pm
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I'm not sure the audience felt they were damned.
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Aug 19 2012, 5:34pm
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I concur, JW...
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Morthoron
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Aug 19 2012, 6:16pm
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I cannot do much other than bow my acknowledgent of the general accuracy of this post
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AinurOlorin
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Aug 19 2012, 8:01pm
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Very well said, JWplatt
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AinurOlorin
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Aug 19 2012, 7:54pm
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Zimmerman treatment retread
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Solicitr
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Sep 5 2012, 5:34pm
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Nature
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JWPlatt
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Sep 5 2012, 5:57pm
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The opinion of CT matters.
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Escapist
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Aug 19 2012, 5:19pm
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I'm sure it wasn't a ploy
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Gwytha
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Aug 19 2012, 8:28pm
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