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Silverlode
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Aug 5 2012, 4:04am
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Frodo being meant to have the Ring..
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is not an invention by PJ; it is pure Tolkien, merely taken from one spot in the novel and spoken at a different point of the story in the movie. It's from the chapter The Shadow of the Past, in which Gandalf tells Frodo in some detail of the story of the Ring and Gollum. Here is the quote in context: "It was not Gollum, Frodo, but the Ring itself that decided things. The Ring left him." "What, just in time to meet Bilbo?" said Frodo. "Wouldn't an orc have suited it better?" "It is no laughing matter," said Gandalf. "Not for you. It was the strangest event in the whole history of the Ring so far: Bilbo's arrival just at that time, and putting his hand on it, blindly, in the dark." "There was more than one power at work, Frodo. The Ring was trying to get back to its master. It had slipped from Isildur's hand and betrayed him; then when a chance came it caught poor Deagol, and he was murdered; and after that Gollum, and it had devoured him. It could make no further use of him: he was too small and mean and as long as it stayed with him he would never leave his deep pool again. So now, when its master was awake once more and sending out his dark thought from Mirkwood, it abandoned Gollum. Only to be picked up by the most unlikely person imaginable: Bilbo from the Shire!" "Behind that there was something else at work, beyond any design of the Ring-maker. I can put it no plainer than by saying that Bilbo was meant to find the Ring, and not by its maker. In which case you also were meant to have it. And that may be an encouraging thought." "It is not", said Frodo, "though I am not sure that I understand you." Regarding Tauriel, I don't mind her being a created character but I will be very unhappy indeed if she's there merely to be an object of romance, especially one which takes significant time in all three movies. For all the discussion we've had lately about the idea of gender representation in The Hobbit, the perceived benefit of having another woman would be significantly hindered by making her an excuse for a love story which has no real (or necessary) ties to the story. Besides, back when Tauriel was Itaril and the casting call description was circulated, it said that she was in love with an Elf lord (prime candidates being Legolas or Lindir), not a dwarf or a human. So if that bit was accurate and stayed part of the character, Fili, Kili and Bard would not be candidates. I'm very much hoping that the romance angle was dropped with the name change and she'll just be a featured supporting character. So in this case, I'm hoping you're wrong. And last but definitely not least, welcome to TORN! It's always good to have a new voice in the mix.
Silverlode "Of all faces those of our familiares are the ones both most difficult to play fantastic tricks with, and most difficult really to see with fresh attention. They have become like the things which once attracted us by their glitter, or their colour, or their shape, and we laid hands on them, and then locked them in our hoard, acquired them, and acquiring ceased to look at them. Creative fantasy, because it is mainly trying to do something else [make something new], may open your hoard and let all the locked things fly away like cage-birds. The gems all turn into flowers or flames, and you will be warned that all you had (or knew) was dangerous and potent, not really effectively chained, free and wild; no more yours than they were you." -On Fairy Stories
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Greenbooks guest post: in defense of a Hobbit trilogy
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News from Bree
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Aug 3 2012, 9:33pm
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Excellent write-up...
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Maiarmike
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Aug 4 2012, 4:29am
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Seems perfect
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JayFank
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Aug 4 2012, 4:06pm
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EXCELLENT
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Buchanicus
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Aug 4 2012, 5:32am
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Excellent Article!
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Istaris'staffs
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Aug 4 2012, 5:58am
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The is great!
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DanielLB
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Aug 4 2012, 8:21am
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Wow!
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TheBeerBaron
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Aug 4 2012, 9:03am
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Jackson should hire this guy
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guitarzankansasfan
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Aug 4 2012, 9:48am
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Where can I find more
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TheBeerBaron
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Aug 4 2012, 10:27am
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Congratulations! This is by far the best post/article I've ever read on TORn
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kiwifan
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Aug 4 2012, 11:23am
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I have to disagree...
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Spaldron
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Aug 4 2012, 12:53pm
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But LOTR movie Bilbo has no connection with dwarves at all.
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Plurmo
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Aug 5 2012, 4:21am
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This is amazing.
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DesiringDragons
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Aug 4 2012, 1:04pm
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If they include the events of the War in the North -
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Hanzkaz
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Aug 4 2012, 1:06pm
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No ... just no ... ;-)
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DanielLB
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Aug 4 2012, 1:09pm
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I agree that there is enough for 4 movies.
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Escapist
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Aug 4 2012, 2:08pm
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Sorry - this article was so exciting
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Escapist
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Aug 4 2012, 2:13pm
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I do believe that Warner Brothers only has the rights to make three movies.
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Kangi Ska
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Aug 4 2012, 2:29pm
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Not so
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
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Aug 4 2012, 2:50pm
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Thanks VF
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Kangi Ska
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Aug 4 2012, 3:09pm
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He said that about The Hobbit
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DanielLB
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Aug 4 2012, 3:11pm
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I would be shocked if Jackson directed any further Middle-earth films after this
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
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Aug 4 2012, 3:12pm
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I can't imagine more films after this either.
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DanielLB
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Aug 4 2012, 3:22pm
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I wonder what other work of Tolkien's could successfully be adapted to film...?
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Captain Salt
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Aug 4 2012, 4:18pm
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Going by the Appendices -
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Hanzkaz
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Aug 4 2012, 4:51pm
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Would love to see a story dealing with the explored regions of ME...
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Captain Salt
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Aug 4 2012, 5:11pm
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I'd prefer a brief reference to the war in the north be included in the existing films than that a stand-alone film be made
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Bladerunner
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Aug 4 2012, 5:23pm
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Wasn't me (assuming you mean me, and not another Daniel).
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DanielLB
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Aug 4 2012, 5:45pm
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Certain Amount Of Tme
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JWPlatt
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Aug 4 2012, 5:10pm
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Answer and perhaps another conspiracy theory
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SirDennisC
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Aug 4 2012, 5:30pm
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Ack! That's twice today I've spelled "rationale" as "rational"
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SirDennisC
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Aug 4 2012, 5:47pm
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A good question
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
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Aug 4 2012, 6:02pm
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LOL.
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Silverlode
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Aug 4 2012, 6:06pm
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Doesn't it strictly forbid the use of the character Glorfindel
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Kangi Ska
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Aug 4 2012, 6:43pm
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LOL II
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JWPlatt
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Aug 4 2012, 6:56pm
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At your own risk
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
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Aug 4 2012, 6:59pm
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Desolation of Smaug
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Sunflower
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Aug 5 2012, 4:56am
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Bravo! I'm sold! Let me count the ways.
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Ruxendil_Thoorg
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Aug 4 2012, 1:47pm
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I hope it convinces others as well
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DanielLB
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Aug 4 2012, 2:04pm
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Um.... What?
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GoodGuyA
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Aug 4 2012, 2:03pm
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See this thread
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DanielLB
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Aug 4 2012, 2:09pm
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I still doubt it's Gimli. Love his voice though!
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GoodGuyA
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Aug 4 2012, 2:11pm
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Whether it is a physical role or just a voice cameo
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DanielLB
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Aug 4 2012, 2:12pm
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As a matter of preference,
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Escapist
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Aug 4 2012, 2:20pm
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Brilliant speculation! I hope the actual films are close to this as it
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Eruonen
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Aug 4 2012, 2:57pm
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Well done
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Black Breathalizer
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Aug 4 2012, 3:20pm
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In all of this I hope that "The Hobbit" does not get lost.
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Kangi Ska
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Aug 4 2012, 3:45pm
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It could, or it could enhance both trilogies into one continuous story.
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Silverlode
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Aug 4 2012, 7:09pm
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Agree completely with this Silverlode
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DanielLB
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Aug 4 2012, 7:22pm
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Looking at it...
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Silverlode
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Aug 4 2012, 7:41pm
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I thought it might be interesting -
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Hanzkaz
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Aug 4 2012, 7:26pm
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This is brilliant speculation
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Aug 4 2012, 7:47pm
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The "quiet bits"
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Silverlode
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Aug 4 2012, 8:26pm
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Again well-written article, however
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Captain Salt
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Aug 4 2012, 3:50pm
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Since it's been described as a third Hobbit film
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DanielLB
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Aug 4 2012, 4:14pm
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The strength of the proposal
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SirDennisC
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Aug 4 2012, 4:50pm
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"Killed by pirates is good" ;)
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DesiringDragons
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Aug 4 2012, 5:19pm
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That was the same point I was making in a previous post....
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Bladerunner
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Aug 4 2012, 5:34pm
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Apologies for having missed that.
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DesiringDragons
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Aug 4 2012, 5:38pm
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Well if film 2 is to focus on Smaug
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SirDennisC
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Aug 4 2012, 5:42pm
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Only if they're "man-in-suit" --
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SirDennisC
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Aug 4 2012, 7:52pm
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Two Disagreements....
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Bladerunner
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Aug 4 2012, 4:50pm
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I don't want Sauron to be at the Battle of Five Armies
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Hanzkaz
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Aug 4 2012, 4:57pm
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I'd prefer that the killings of the Azog, the Great Goblin, and Smaug would be enough motivation for teh Goblins and Wargs....
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Bladerunner
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Aug 4 2012, 5:13pm
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I wouldn't be surprised if Azog and his crew -
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Hanzkaz
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Aug 4 2012, 5:18pm
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Back when Benedict Cumberbatch
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Silverlode
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Aug 4 2012, 5:39pm
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I like that approach also...
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Bladerunner
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Aug 4 2012, 5:57pm
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A third film's impact on Film 2
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Black Breathalizer
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Aug 4 2012, 5:19pm
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That third film still seems like a drag
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HiddenSpring
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Aug 4 2012, 8:24pm
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Film 3 will likely include more than BOFA, IMO
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Aug 4 2012, 8:31pm
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Film 3 has other key events....
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Bladerunner
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Aug 4 2012, 10:21pm
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Good article
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Yngwulff
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Aug 4 2012, 10:25pm
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Contents
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Lurker in the Dark
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Aug 5 2012, 3:06am
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Film 2
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Yngwulff
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Aug 5 2012, 3:22am
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Interesting theory about Bard and Tauriel...
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SirDennisC
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Aug 5 2012, 3:24am
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Isn't Bard married?
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Yngwulff
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Aug 5 2012, 3:30am
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Ah yes, but no (living) wife as far as I've heard
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SirDennisC
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Aug 5 2012, 3:35am
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Could imply
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Yngwulff
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Aug 5 2012, 3:40am
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Contents
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Lurker in the Dark
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Aug 5 2012, 7:20am
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Why Gandalf chose Bilbo *SPOILER - COMIC CON FOOTAGE*
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Kassandros
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Aug 6 2012, 4:35pm
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Frodo being meant to have the Ring..
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Silverlode
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Aug 5 2012, 4:04am
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Unless Kili is revealed to be half-elven...
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SirDennisC
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Aug 5 2012, 4:24am
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*snort* Well at least...
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Silverlode
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Aug 5 2012, 4:33am
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I just had a terrible thought...
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TheBeerBaron
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Aug 6 2012, 6:51am
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Tauriel and Kili
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DanielLB
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Aug 6 2012, 7:14am
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I thought we figured that was in jest
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TheBeerBaron
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Aug 6 2012, 7:19am
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It's more real
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DanielLB
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Aug 6 2012, 7:32am
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Thanks DLB
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TheBeerBaron
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Aug 6 2012, 7:35am
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Highly improbable
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Aug 6 2012, 3:27pm
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Prophecy and Tauriel
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Phibbus
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Aug 5 2012, 4:05am
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Tauriel
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Lurker in the Dark
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Aug 5 2012, 7:45am
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Gandalf picking Bilbo
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BeornBerserker
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Aug 5 2012, 4:29am
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Nonsense
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Aug 5 2012, 5:36am
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Tauriel and Bard
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innoce77
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Aug 6 2012, 8:33am
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Welcome out of lurkerdom innoce77
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SirDennisC
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Aug 6 2012, 5:16pm
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Divinely inspired
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Black Breathalizer
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Aug 6 2012, 8:24pm
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Amen
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Aug 6 2012, 11:11pm
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yes
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Lusitano
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Aug 7 2012, 1:24am
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Love. lol
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AinurOlorin
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Aug 7 2012, 2:56am
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Prophecy appears in several places, most notably from Gandalf and Glorfindel, actually
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AinurOlorin
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Aug 6 2012, 2:20pm
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Still not sure about that third film...
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Phibbus
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Aug 5 2012, 3:17am
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Hee hee
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SirDennisC
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Aug 5 2012, 3:32am
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Lucasian Structure
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JWPlatt
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Aug 5 2012, 4:39am
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*heh* I can't complain
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Eowyn of Penns Woods
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Aug 5 2012, 4:56am
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Personal Canon
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JWPlatt
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Aug 5 2012, 5:11am
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Unconscious Bilbo
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Phibbus
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Aug 5 2012, 5:06am
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But is it a good idea
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Aug 5 2012, 5:42am
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The structure yes
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SirDennisC
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Aug 5 2012, 7:06am
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Makes sense
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Aug 5 2012, 5:15pm
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Are you messing with me?
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SirDennisC
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Aug 5 2012, 10:09pm
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I'll give you a big "Amen!" for that last paragraph.
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Eowyn of Penns Woods
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Aug 5 2012, 4:38am
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I feel like I'm the odd man out on this.
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redgiraffe
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Aug 13 2012, 11:16am
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