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Silverlode
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Aug 4 2012, 8:26pm
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are where you have room for some character development. As an example from LOTR, that's where we got to see and like Boromir; when they inserted scenes of him interacting with the hobbits during the occasional quiet moment along the journey. We have 13 dwarves for Bilbo to interact with - and be annoyed by; I have a feeling that Bilbo is going to be peacemaking and rescuing them from the results of their folly all the way through the story, especially once Gandalf leaves them. I see it as a sort of comic theme which culminates by turning deadly serious in his bargaining with the Arkenstone in Film 3. I think Bilbo is going to have important things to do in all three films. Film 1: Hosts the Unexpected Party. Bungles his first attempt at burglary and is involved in the troll incident. Receives Sting. Meets Elrond and falls in love with the Elves in Rivendell (remember, he later chooses to spend his "retirement" there, they may do a few scenes to set up for that). Bilbo sees the crack in the goblin cave open and yells to wake up Gandalf. He has an extensive (12 minutes, according to comments from Martin and Andy) Riddles in the Dark scene with Gollum, then his invisible escape. He's has a very close call with wargs because of not being able to find a tree with a low branch, and then is only rescued by eagles by hanging on to Dori's legs. He meets Beorn. He climbs a tree in Mirkwood. He rescues the dwarves from spiders. He sneaks around the Elven halls in invisible form and plans and executes their escape via barrel. (I'm assuming this is still the end of Film 1 for now) Film 2: He arrives in Laketown with a bad cold (comedy opportunity). I wouldn't be surprised if he makes friends with Bard - or Bain while in Laketown. I don't expect to see a lot of time spent on the journey between Laketown and the arrival at the foot of the mountain - probably more a travel/scenery montage. He joins in the search for the Back Door (we saw the location for some of the search in the Locations blog), and then sits on the doorstep until the thrush knocks (I expect quite a bit of conflict with grumbling dwarves here). He takes center stage with his encounters with Smaug, and I expect these will be set pieces, much like the Riddles in the Dark scene. One of his scenes ends with being scorched as he runs up the tunnel. He steals a piece of treasure, stirring Smaug up to come attack and smash the Back Door and then head off to attack Laketown (at this point the story switches away from the Lonely Mountain for a considerable chunk of time. He explores the hoard and finds the Arkenstone. He is given the mithril mail by Thorin. Film 3: Lots of conflict with dwarves, especially arguments with Thorin over his warlike attitude and worry and guilt over the Arkenstone (he has to rationalize it to himself). He meets the thrush again, and is present when Roac arrives. He sneaks into the army camp and bargains with the Arkenstone, reuniting with Gandalf. I expect him to be present for some of the discussion with Thranduil, Bard and Gandalf before he goes back. He is kicked out by Thorin in a rage when he discovers his use of the Arkenstone. He gets knocked out in the battle (although I expect this will not happen in the movie until he's been through a number of near misses even though invisible. He has a major scene with Thorin on his deathbed. He comes home to an auction and begins his feud with the Sackville-Bagginses. We may even see him "adopt" Frodo. That's quite a lot of major story. I don't think he'll be relegated to the background in any way. My overall summary was only meant to show the overarching theme and how his story affects the bigger story, since PJ was saying he wanted to show how important Bilbo was to the larger story. But I think that Bilbo's story will be intercut with the Gandalf/Sauron background so that at the end we will have a big picture as well, which will continue smoothly on into LOTR.
Silverlode "Of all faces those of our familiares are the ones both most difficult to play fantastic tricks with, and most difficult really to see with fresh attention. They have become like the things which once attracted us by their glitter, or their colour, or their shape, and we laid hands on them, and then locked them in our hoard, acquired them, and acquiring ceased to look at them. Creative fantasy, because it is mainly trying to do something else [make something new], may open your hoard and let all the locked things fly away like cage-birds. The gems all turn into flowers or flames, and you will be warned that all you had (or knew) was dangerous and potent, not really effectively chained, free and wild; no more yours than they were you." -On Fairy Stories
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Greenbooks guest post: in defense of a Hobbit trilogy
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News from Bree
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Aug 3 2012, 9:33pm
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Excellent write-up...
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Maiarmike
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Aug 4 2012, 4:29am
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Seems perfect
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JayFank
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Aug 4 2012, 4:06pm
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EXCELLENT
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Buchanicus
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Aug 4 2012, 5:32am
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Excellent Article!
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Istaris'staffs
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Aug 4 2012, 5:58am
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The is great!
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DanielLB
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Aug 4 2012, 8:21am
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Wow!
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TheBeerBaron
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Aug 4 2012, 9:03am
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Jackson should hire this guy
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guitarzankansasfan
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Aug 4 2012, 9:48am
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Where can I find more
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TheBeerBaron
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Aug 4 2012, 10:27am
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Congratulations! This is by far the best post/article I've ever read on TORn
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kiwifan
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Aug 4 2012, 11:23am
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I have to disagree...
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Spaldron
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Aug 4 2012, 12:53pm
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But LOTR movie Bilbo has no connection with dwarves at all.
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Plurmo
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Aug 5 2012, 4:21am
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This is amazing.
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DesiringDragons
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Aug 4 2012, 1:04pm
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If they include the events of the War in the North -
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Hanzkaz
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Aug 4 2012, 1:06pm
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No ... just no ... ;-)
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DanielLB
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Aug 4 2012, 1:09pm
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I agree that there is enough for 4 movies.
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Escapist
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Aug 4 2012, 2:08pm
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Sorry - this article was so exciting
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Escapist
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Aug 4 2012, 2:13pm
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I do believe that Warner Brothers only has the rights to make three movies.
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Kangi Ska
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Aug 4 2012, 2:29pm
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Not so
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
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Aug 4 2012, 2:50pm
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Thanks VF
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Kangi Ska
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Aug 4 2012, 3:09pm
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He said that about The Hobbit
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DanielLB
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Aug 4 2012, 3:11pm
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I would be shocked if Jackson directed any further Middle-earth films after this
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
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Aug 4 2012, 3:12pm
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I can't imagine more films after this either.
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DanielLB
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Aug 4 2012, 3:22pm
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I wonder what other work of Tolkien's could successfully be adapted to film...?
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Captain Salt
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Aug 4 2012, 4:18pm
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Going by the Appendices -
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Hanzkaz
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Aug 4 2012, 4:51pm
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Would love to see a story dealing with the explored regions of ME...
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Captain Salt
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Aug 4 2012, 5:11pm
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I'd prefer a brief reference to the war in the north be included in the existing films than that a stand-alone film be made
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Bladerunner
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Aug 4 2012, 5:23pm
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Wasn't me (assuming you mean me, and not another Daniel).
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DanielLB
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Aug 4 2012, 5:45pm
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Certain Amount Of Tme
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JWPlatt
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Aug 4 2012, 5:10pm
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Answer and perhaps another conspiracy theory
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SirDennisC
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Aug 4 2012, 5:30pm
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Ack! That's twice today I've spelled "rationale" as "rational"
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SirDennisC
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Aug 4 2012, 5:47pm
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A good question
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
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Aug 4 2012, 6:02pm
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LOL.
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Silverlode
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Aug 4 2012, 6:06pm
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Doesn't it strictly forbid the use of the character Glorfindel
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Kangi Ska
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Aug 4 2012, 6:43pm
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LOL II
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JWPlatt
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Aug 4 2012, 6:56pm
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At your own risk
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
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Aug 4 2012, 6:59pm
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Desolation of Smaug
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Sunflower
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Aug 5 2012, 4:56am
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Bravo! I'm sold! Let me count the ways.
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Ruxendil_Thoorg
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Aug 4 2012, 1:47pm
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I hope it convinces others as well
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DanielLB
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Aug 4 2012, 2:04pm
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Um.... What?
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GoodGuyA
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Aug 4 2012, 2:03pm
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See this thread
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DanielLB
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Aug 4 2012, 2:09pm
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I still doubt it's Gimli. Love his voice though!
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GoodGuyA
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Aug 4 2012, 2:11pm
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Whether it is a physical role or just a voice cameo
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DanielLB
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Aug 4 2012, 2:12pm
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As a matter of preference,
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Escapist
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Aug 4 2012, 2:20pm
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Brilliant speculation! I hope the actual films are close to this as it
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Eruonen
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Aug 4 2012, 2:57pm
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Well done
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Black Breathalizer
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Aug 4 2012, 3:20pm
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In all of this I hope that "The Hobbit" does not get lost.
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Kangi Ska
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Aug 4 2012, 3:45pm
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It could, or it could enhance both trilogies into one continuous story.
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Silverlode
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Aug 4 2012, 7:09pm
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Agree completely with this Silverlode
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DanielLB
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Aug 4 2012, 7:22pm
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Looking at it...
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Silverlode
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Aug 4 2012, 7:41pm
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I thought it might be interesting -
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Hanzkaz
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Aug 4 2012, 7:26pm
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This is brilliant speculation
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Aug 4 2012, 7:47pm
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The "quiet bits"
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Silverlode
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Aug 4 2012, 8:26pm
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Again well-written article, however
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Captain Salt
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Aug 4 2012, 3:50pm
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Since it's been described as a third Hobbit film
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DanielLB
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Aug 4 2012, 4:14pm
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The strength of the proposal
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SirDennisC
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Aug 4 2012, 4:50pm
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"Killed by pirates is good" ;)
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DesiringDragons
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Aug 4 2012, 5:19pm
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That was the same point I was making in a previous post....
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Bladerunner
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Aug 4 2012, 5:34pm
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Apologies for having missed that.
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DesiringDragons
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Aug 4 2012, 5:38pm
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Well if film 2 is to focus on Smaug
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SirDennisC
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Aug 4 2012, 5:42pm
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Only if they're "man-in-suit" --
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SirDennisC
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Aug 4 2012, 7:52pm
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Two Disagreements....
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Bladerunner
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Aug 4 2012, 4:50pm
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I don't want Sauron to be at the Battle of Five Armies
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Hanzkaz
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Aug 4 2012, 4:57pm
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I'd prefer that the killings of the Azog, the Great Goblin, and Smaug would be enough motivation for teh Goblins and Wargs....
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Bladerunner
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Aug 4 2012, 5:13pm
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I wouldn't be surprised if Azog and his crew -
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Hanzkaz
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Aug 4 2012, 5:18pm
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Back when Benedict Cumberbatch
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Silverlode
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Aug 4 2012, 5:39pm
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I like that approach also...
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Bladerunner
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Aug 4 2012, 5:57pm
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A third film's impact on Film 2
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Black Breathalizer
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Aug 4 2012, 5:19pm
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That third film still seems like a drag
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HiddenSpring
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Aug 4 2012, 8:24pm
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Film 3 will likely include more than BOFA, IMO
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Aug 4 2012, 8:31pm
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Film 3 has other key events....
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Bladerunner
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Aug 4 2012, 10:21pm
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Good article
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Yngwulff
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Aug 4 2012, 10:25pm
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Contents
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Lurker in the Dark
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Aug 5 2012, 3:06am
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Film 2
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Yngwulff
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Aug 5 2012, 3:22am
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Interesting theory about Bard and Tauriel...
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SirDennisC
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Aug 5 2012, 3:24am
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Isn't Bard married?
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Yngwulff
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Aug 5 2012, 3:30am
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Ah yes, but no (living) wife as far as I've heard
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SirDennisC
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Aug 5 2012, 3:35am
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Could imply
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Yngwulff
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Aug 5 2012, 3:40am
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Contents
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Lurker in the Dark
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Aug 5 2012, 7:20am
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Why Gandalf chose Bilbo *SPOILER - COMIC CON FOOTAGE*
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Kassandros
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Aug 6 2012, 4:35pm
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Frodo being meant to have the Ring..
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Silverlode
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Aug 5 2012, 4:04am
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Unless Kili is revealed to be half-elven...
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SirDennisC
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Aug 5 2012, 4:24am
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*snort* Well at least...
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Silverlode
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Aug 5 2012, 4:33am
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I just had a terrible thought...
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TheBeerBaron
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Aug 6 2012, 6:51am
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Tauriel and Kili
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DanielLB
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Aug 6 2012, 7:14am
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I thought we figured that was in jest
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TheBeerBaron
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Aug 6 2012, 7:19am
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It's more real
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DanielLB
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Aug 6 2012, 7:32am
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Thanks DLB
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TheBeerBaron
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Aug 6 2012, 7:35am
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Highly improbable
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Aug 6 2012, 3:27pm
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Prophecy and Tauriel
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Phibbus
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Aug 5 2012, 4:05am
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Tauriel
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Lurker in the Dark
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Aug 5 2012, 7:45am
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Gandalf picking Bilbo
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BeornBerserker
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Aug 5 2012, 4:29am
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Nonsense
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Aug 5 2012, 5:36am
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Tauriel and Bard
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innoce77
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Aug 6 2012, 8:33am
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Welcome out of lurkerdom innoce77
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SirDennisC
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Aug 6 2012, 5:16pm
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Divinely inspired
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Black Breathalizer
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Aug 6 2012, 8:24pm
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Amen
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Aug 6 2012, 11:11pm
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yes
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Lusitano
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Aug 7 2012, 1:24am
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Love. lol
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AinurOlorin
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Aug 7 2012, 2:56am
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Prophecy appears in several places, most notably from Gandalf and Glorfindel, actually
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AinurOlorin
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Aug 6 2012, 2:20pm
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Still not sure about that third film...
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Phibbus
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Aug 5 2012, 3:17am
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Hee hee
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SirDennisC
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Aug 5 2012, 3:32am
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Lucasian Structure
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JWPlatt
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Aug 5 2012, 4:39am
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*heh* I can't complain
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Eowyn of Penns Woods
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Aug 5 2012, 4:56am
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Personal Canon
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JWPlatt
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Aug 5 2012, 5:11am
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Unconscious Bilbo
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Phibbus
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Aug 5 2012, 5:06am
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But is it a good idea
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Aug 5 2012, 5:42am
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The structure yes
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SirDennisC
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Aug 5 2012, 7:06am
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Makes sense
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Aug 5 2012, 5:15pm
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Are you messing with me?
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SirDennisC
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Aug 5 2012, 10:09pm
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I'll give you a big "Amen!" for that last paragraph.
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Eowyn of Penns Woods
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Aug 5 2012, 4:38am
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I feel like I'm the odd man out on this.
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redgiraffe
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Aug 13 2012, 11:16am
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