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Silverlode
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Aug 4 2012, 7:09pm
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It could, or it could enhance both trilogies into one continuous story.
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by placing the story in its larger context. There are those who are worried about The Hobbit being overshadowed, and when the third movie was announced, there were those who then became worried that the LOTR trilogy would be overshadowed by the adaptation of the much-shorter and "simpler" Hobbit. But I'm beginning to think that if they play their cards right both stories might get justice. I think we have to take it as definite that the "original" stand-alone Hobbit (that it was written before and unconnected to LOTR) is not going to happen. Clearly we are getting the post-LOTR revised Riddles in the Dark version of The Hobbit. That being so, what is the larger context? Tolkien himself said that the Ring was the obvious connection point when he went to write another story about Hobbits. And the second tie-in is the disguised Sauron in Dol Guldur who pulls Gandalf away from the main story of The Hobbit. What we may be getting here is the Rise and Fall of Sauron in six parts. Hobbit, Part 1: Gandalf is worried about the stories he's heard about the Necromancer. He goes to investigate, discovers his identity and meets Thrain. He cannot convince the White Council to move (as Saruman speaks against it). But he hears that Thorin is planning a raid on Smaug. At least he can inconvenience any plans Sauron might have had to make use of a dragon to subdue/intimidate the north. He provides Thorin with a map, a key, a Burglar, and his own escort as far as Mirkwood, where he goes off to confer with Radagast. The White Council meets. Movie motivation: Nazgul weaponry proves to the White Council that they need to make a move. Hobbit, Part 2: Thorin and Co stir up trouble all along the way. They get captured by goblins, killing the Great Goblin in the process and dragging the whole population of Goblin Town out to war. Bilbo finds a strange Ring and meets a strange creature. Gandalf is puzzled by Bilbo's newfound invisibility trick but has a few more urgent things on his mind just then, such as what Sauron is up to. The dwarves the proceed to involve Beorn and annoy the Elves and Laketown on their way to annoy Smaug. Bilbo, using his new Ring then proceeds to use to stir up Smaug, getting him out of his mountain, and appropriates the Arkenstone. Smaug is killed and Laketown and the Elves are stirred up to war. Meanwhile, Gandalf persuades the White Council to annoy the Necromancer. They battle, but (my personal theory here) the Necromancer takes advantage of the goblins tracking Thorin and Co. as a diversion, using them to distract and draw off Gandalf while he makes his pre-planned escape. Hobbit, Part 3: Smaug is dead, but everyone hates Thorin. Goblins from Goblin Town, Elves from Mirkwood, Men from Laketown and a probable northern contingent of goblins from Mt. Gundabad converge on the Lonely Mountain. Gandalf hurries to get there before things go up. Thorin sends for help from Dain of the Iron Hills. Bilbo hides the Arkenstone and uses it as leverage. The Battle of Five (or so) Armies is fought. Bilbo survives, Thorin does not. Bilbo returns to the Shire and tries to pick up his life again. Sauron begins rebuilding his domain in Mordor in secret... The Lord of the Rings, Part 1: Bilbo is old, eccentric, and is writing a book of his adventures, but he's itching to travel again and feeling that something's not right. He plans a joke, a retirement and an adventure all rolled into one. He leaves his old life, including the Ring, to Frodo and heads off to Rivendell. Sauron captures Gollum, and dispatches the Nine to find Baggins. Gandalf discovers the truth about the Ring, the Nine, and about Saruman. He and Elrond decide the Ring cannot be hidden or lost again, but must be destroyed. Bilbo passes on his sword, his mail and his story to Frodo. The Fellowship is formed, and sets out. Gandalf falls, Gollum follows, and Boromir falls. The Fellowship breaks. The Lord of the Rings, Part 2: The War of the Ring begins. Sauron begins to mass his troops and sets out to take the fords of Osgiliath, while Saruman sends the Wild Men and Uruk-Hai against Rohan. Frodo and Sam join up with Gollum and meet Faramir on their way toward Mordor. Saruman's hold on Theoden is broken. He sends his army to destroy Rohan but they are destroyed instead at Helm's Deep. Merry and Pippin are captured by Saruman's Uruk-Hai and stir up the Ents to destroy Isengard and end his usefulness to Sauron. Sauron prepares to launch his final attack. The Lord of the Rings, Part 3: All armies converge on Minas Tirith. Aragorn triggers Sauron's attack via the Palantir and summons the Oathbreakers. Minas Tirith is saved for the moment. Frodo and Sam bypass Minas Morgul as the armies march out but are betrayed by Gollum in Shelob's Lair and Frodo is captured by Mordor orcs. Sam aids his escape, but Sauron gains Frodo's mithril mail as a bargaining chip. Aragorn stages a feint to draw out Sauron's army and give Frodo a clear path to Mount Doom. The Ring is destroyed, Gollum dies, Mordor falls. Sauron is destroyed. The King Returns. Frodo continues Bilbo's book with his part of the Tale. Elrond, Galadriel, Gandalf, Bilbo and Frodo take ship to the Undying Lands. Sam goes home (and finishes Bilbo's book). Seen this way, all six movies make for one continuous story, and I don't think either needs overshadow the other. Bilbo's adventure was certainly of key importance to what came after, and Frodo's story is a continuation of what began during Bilbo's adventure. "Bookend" scenes may be entirely appropriate here, as the tale in its entirety is told in the Red Book - written by all three Ringbearers in turn.
Silverlode "Of all faces those of our familiares are the ones both most difficult to play fantastic tricks with, and most difficult really to see with fresh attention. They have become like the things which once attracted us by their glitter, or their colour, or their shape, and we laid hands on them, and then locked them in our hoard, acquired them, and acquiring ceased to look at them. Creative fantasy, because it is mainly trying to do something else [make something new], may open your hoard and let all the locked things fly away like cage-birds. The gems all turn into flowers or flames, and you will be warned that all you had (or knew) was dangerous and potent, not really effectively chained, free and wild; no more yours than they were you." -On Fairy Stories
(This post was edited by Silverlode on Aug 4 2012, 7:31pm)
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Greenbooks guest post: in defense of a Hobbit trilogy
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News from Bree
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Aug 3 2012, 9:33pm
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Excellent write-up...
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Maiarmike
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Aug 4 2012, 4:29am
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Seems perfect
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JayFank
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Aug 4 2012, 4:06pm
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EXCELLENT
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Buchanicus
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Aug 4 2012, 5:32am
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Excellent Article!
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Istaris'staffs
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Aug 4 2012, 5:58am
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The is great!
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DanielLB
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Aug 4 2012, 8:21am
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Wow!
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TheBeerBaron
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Aug 4 2012, 9:03am
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Jackson should hire this guy
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guitarzankansasfan
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Aug 4 2012, 9:48am
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Where can I find more
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TheBeerBaron
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Aug 4 2012, 10:27am
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Congratulations! This is by far the best post/article I've ever read on TORn
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kiwifan
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Aug 4 2012, 11:23am
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I have to disagree...
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Spaldron
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Aug 4 2012, 12:53pm
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But LOTR movie Bilbo has no connection with dwarves at all.
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Plurmo
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Aug 5 2012, 4:21am
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This is amazing.
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DesiringDragons
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Aug 4 2012, 1:04pm
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If they include the events of the War in the North -
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Hanzkaz
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Aug 4 2012, 1:06pm
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No ... just no ... ;-)
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DanielLB
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Aug 4 2012, 1:09pm
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I agree that there is enough for 4 movies.
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Escapist
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Aug 4 2012, 2:08pm
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Sorry - this article was so exciting
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Escapist
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Aug 4 2012, 2:13pm
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I do believe that Warner Brothers only has the rights to make three movies.
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Kangi Ska
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Aug 4 2012, 2:29pm
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Not so
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
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Aug 4 2012, 2:50pm
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Thanks VF
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Kangi Ska
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Aug 4 2012, 3:09pm
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He said that about The Hobbit
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DanielLB
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Aug 4 2012, 3:11pm
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I would be shocked if Jackson directed any further Middle-earth films after this
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
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Aug 4 2012, 3:12pm
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I can't imagine more films after this either.
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DanielLB
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Aug 4 2012, 3:22pm
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I wonder what other work of Tolkien's could successfully be adapted to film...?
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Captain Salt
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Aug 4 2012, 4:18pm
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Going by the Appendices -
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Hanzkaz
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Aug 4 2012, 4:51pm
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Would love to see a story dealing with the explored regions of ME...
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Captain Salt
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Aug 4 2012, 5:11pm
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I'd prefer a brief reference to the war in the north be included in the existing films than that a stand-alone film be made
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Bladerunner
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Aug 4 2012, 5:23pm
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Wasn't me (assuming you mean me, and not another Daniel).
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DanielLB
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Aug 4 2012, 5:45pm
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Certain Amount Of Tme
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JWPlatt
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Aug 4 2012, 5:10pm
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Answer and perhaps another conspiracy theory
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SirDennisC
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Aug 4 2012, 5:30pm
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Ack! That's twice today I've spelled "rationale" as "rational"
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SirDennisC
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Aug 4 2012, 5:47pm
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A good question
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
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Aug 4 2012, 6:02pm
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LOL.
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Silverlode
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Aug 4 2012, 6:06pm
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Doesn't it strictly forbid the use of the character Glorfindel
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Kangi Ska
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Aug 4 2012, 6:43pm
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LOL II
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JWPlatt
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Aug 4 2012, 6:56pm
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At your own risk
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
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Aug 4 2012, 6:59pm
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Desolation of Smaug
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Sunflower
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Aug 5 2012, 4:56am
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Bravo! I'm sold! Let me count the ways.
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Ruxendil_Thoorg
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Aug 4 2012, 1:47pm
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I hope it convinces others as well
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DanielLB
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Aug 4 2012, 2:04pm
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Um.... What?
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GoodGuyA
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Aug 4 2012, 2:03pm
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See this thread
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DanielLB
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Aug 4 2012, 2:09pm
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I still doubt it's Gimli. Love his voice though!
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GoodGuyA
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Aug 4 2012, 2:11pm
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Whether it is a physical role or just a voice cameo
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DanielLB
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Aug 4 2012, 2:12pm
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As a matter of preference,
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Escapist
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Aug 4 2012, 2:20pm
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Brilliant speculation! I hope the actual films are close to this as it
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Eruonen
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Aug 4 2012, 2:57pm
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Well done
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Black Breathalizer
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Aug 4 2012, 3:20pm
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In all of this I hope that "The Hobbit" does not get lost.
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Kangi Ska
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Aug 4 2012, 3:45pm
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It could, or it could enhance both trilogies into one continuous story.
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Silverlode
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Aug 4 2012, 7:09pm
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Agree completely with this Silverlode
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DanielLB
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Aug 4 2012, 7:22pm
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Looking at it...
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Silverlode
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Aug 4 2012, 7:41pm
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I thought it might be interesting -
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Hanzkaz
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Aug 4 2012, 7:26pm
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This is brilliant speculation
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Aug 4 2012, 7:47pm
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The "quiet bits"
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Silverlode
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Aug 4 2012, 8:26pm
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Again well-written article, however
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Captain Salt
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Aug 4 2012, 3:50pm
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Since it's been described as a third Hobbit film
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DanielLB
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Aug 4 2012, 4:14pm
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The strength of the proposal
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SirDennisC
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Aug 4 2012, 4:50pm
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"Killed by pirates is good" ;)
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DesiringDragons
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Aug 4 2012, 5:19pm
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That was the same point I was making in a previous post....
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Bladerunner
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Aug 4 2012, 5:34pm
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Apologies for having missed that.
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DesiringDragons
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Aug 4 2012, 5:38pm
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Well if film 2 is to focus on Smaug
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SirDennisC
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Aug 4 2012, 5:42pm
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Only if they're "man-in-suit" --
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SirDennisC
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Aug 4 2012, 7:52pm
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Two Disagreements....
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Bladerunner
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Aug 4 2012, 4:50pm
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I don't want Sauron to be at the Battle of Five Armies
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Hanzkaz
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Aug 4 2012, 4:57pm
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I'd prefer that the killings of the Azog, the Great Goblin, and Smaug would be enough motivation for teh Goblins and Wargs....
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Bladerunner
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Aug 4 2012, 5:13pm
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I wouldn't be surprised if Azog and his crew -
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Hanzkaz
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Aug 4 2012, 5:18pm
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Back when Benedict Cumberbatch
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Silverlode
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Aug 4 2012, 5:39pm
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I like that approach also...
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Bladerunner
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Aug 4 2012, 5:57pm
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A third film's impact on Film 2
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Black Breathalizer
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Aug 4 2012, 5:19pm
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That third film still seems like a drag
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HiddenSpring
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Aug 4 2012, 8:24pm
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Film 3 will likely include more than BOFA, IMO
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Aug 4 2012, 8:31pm
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Film 3 has other key events....
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Bladerunner
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Aug 4 2012, 10:21pm
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Good article
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Yngwulff
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Aug 4 2012, 10:25pm
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Contents
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Lurker in the Dark
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Aug 5 2012, 3:06am
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Film 2
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Yngwulff
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Aug 5 2012, 3:22am
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Interesting theory about Bard and Tauriel...
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SirDennisC
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Aug 5 2012, 3:24am
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Isn't Bard married?
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Yngwulff
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Aug 5 2012, 3:30am
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Ah yes, but no (living) wife as far as I've heard
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SirDennisC
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Aug 5 2012, 3:35am
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Could imply
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Yngwulff
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Aug 5 2012, 3:40am
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Contents
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Lurker in the Dark
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Aug 5 2012, 7:20am
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Why Gandalf chose Bilbo *SPOILER - COMIC CON FOOTAGE*
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Kassandros
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Aug 6 2012, 4:35pm
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Frodo being meant to have the Ring..
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Silverlode
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Aug 5 2012, 4:04am
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Unless Kili is revealed to be half-elven...
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SirDennisC
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Aug 5 2012, 4:24am
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*snort* Well at least...
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Silverlode
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Aug 5 2012, 4:33am
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I just had a terrible thought...
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TheBeerBaron
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Aug 6 2012, 6:51am
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Tauriel and Kili
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DanielLB
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Aug 6 2012, 7:14am
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I thought we figured that was in jest
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TheBeerBaron
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Aug 6 2012, 7:19am
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It's more real
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DanielLB
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Aug 6 2012, 7:32am
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Thanks DLB
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TheBeerBaron
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Aug 6 2012, 7:35am
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Highly improbable
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Aug 6 2012, 3:27pm
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Prophecy and Tauriel
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Phibbus
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Aug 5 2012, 4:05am
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Tauriel
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Lurker in the Dark
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Aug 5 2012, 7:45am
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Gandalf picking Bilbo
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BeornBerserker
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Aug 5 2012, 4:29am
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Nonsense
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Aug 5 2012, 5:36am
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Tauriel and Bard
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innoce77
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Aug 6 2012, 8:33am
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Welcome out of lurkerdom innoce77
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SirDennisC
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Aug 6 2012, 5:16pm
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Divinely inspired
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Black Breathalizer
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Aug 6 2012, 8:24pm
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Amen
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Aug 6 2012, 11:11pm
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yes
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Lusitano
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Aug 7 2012, 1:24am
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Love. lol
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AinurOlorin
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Aug 7 2012, 2:56am
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Prophecy appears in several places, most notably from Gandalf and Glorfindel, actually
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AinurOlorin
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Aug 6 2012, 2:20pm
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Still not sure about that third film...
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Phibbus
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Aug 5 2012, 3:17am
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Hee hee
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SirDennisC
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Aug 5 2012, 3:32am
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Lucasian Structure
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JWPlatt
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Aug 5 2012, 4:39am
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*heh* I can't complain
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Eowyn of Penns Woods
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Aug 5 2012, 4:56am
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Personal Canon
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JWPlatt
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Aug 5 2012, 5:11am
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Unconscious Bilbo
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Phibbus
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Aug 5 2012, 5:06am
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But is it a good idea
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Aug 5 2012, 5:42am
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The structure yes
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SirDennisC
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Aug 5 2012, 7:06am
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Makes sense
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Aug 5 2012, 5:15pm
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Are you messing with me?
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SirDennisC
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Aug 5 2012, 10:09pm
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I'll give you a big "Amen!" for that last paragraph.
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Eowyn of Penns Woods
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Aug 5 2012, 4:38am
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I feel like I'm the odd man out on this.
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redgiraffe
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Aug 13 2012, 11:16am
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