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Um.... What?

GoodGuyA
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Aug 4 2012, 2:03pm


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There's more than a few pieces of this which don't particularly make sense, but I have to pull out this quote of the bunch:

The backstory for Gimli, to be integrated into the overly-truncated Council of Elrond in FotR. The "flashback" they could film during the filming of The Hobbit would be of an agent of Mordor coming to the Lonely Mountain seeking 'Baggins', which causes Gimli to later be sent to Rivendell for the Council of Elrond to seek advice (Gimli is undoubtedly in the films, as Rhys Davies has virtually admitted as much and has been filmed on set "visiting" the cast). It is quite possible Jackson is taking advantage of availability of Rhys Davies, the Rivendell set and the new Erebor set to film this scene, the latter of which was not available when they filmed FotR.

Prior to actually going to New Zealand, JRD specifically said at a convention that he didn't think he could take the role of Gimli again. He's aged a lot and after his unmitigated torture at the hands of the prosthetics on his face I doubt he would be willing to jump into that again. Also recall how we actually saw him, and he was just saying hi. Who wouldn't want to go to NZ again, just for a visit? Besides, putting this stuff during the Council actually completely overwrites Jackson's goal with The Council in the first place: Keeping it short and dramatic. This stuff might be useful before those scenes, like Boromir and Aragorn's confrontation, but The Council of Elrond was designed to minimize exposition. Some people think it's still overly long, but reading through that section in the book again makes me realize that it was probably the worst chapter in FotR (aside from Bombadil).

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Greenbooks guest post: in defense of a Hobbit trilogy News from Bree Send a private message to News from Bree Aug 3 2012, 9:33pm
    Excellent write-up... Maiarmike Send a private message to Maiarmike Aug 4 2012, 4:29am
        Seems perfect JayFank Send a private message to JayFank Aug 4 2012, 4:06pm
    EXCELLENT Buchanicus Send a private message to Buchanicus Aug 4 2012, 5:32am
    Excellent Article! Istaris'staffs Send a private message to Istaris'staffs Aug 4 2012, 5:58am
    The is great! DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Aug 4 2012, 8:21am
    Wow! TheBeerBaron Send a private message to TheBeerBaron Aug 4 2012, 9:03am
    Jackson should hire this guy guitarzankansasfan Send a private message to guitarzankansasfan Aug 4 2012, 9:48am
    Where can I find more TheBeerBaron Send a private message to TheBeerBaron Aug 4 2012, 10:27am
    Congratulations! This is by far the best post/article I've ever read on TORn kiwifan Send a private message to kiwifan Aug 4 2012, 11:23am
    I have to disagree... Spaldron Send a private message to Spaldron Aug 4 2012, 12:53pm
        But LOTR movie Bilbo has no connection with dwarves at all. Plurmo Send a private message to Plurmo Aug 5 2012, 4:21am
    This is amazing. DesiringDragons Send a private message to DesiringDragons Aug 4 2012, 1:04pm
    If they include the events of the War in the North - Hanzkaz Aug 4 2012, 1:06pm
        No ... just no ... ;-) DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Aug 4 2012, 1:09pm
        I agree that there is enough for 4 movies. Escapist Send a private message to Escapist Aug 4 2012, 2:08pm
            Sorry - this article was so exciting Escapist Send a private message to Escapist Aug 4 2012, 2:13pm
        I do believe that Warner Brothers only has the rights to make three movies. Kangi Ska Send a private message to Kangi Ska Aug 4 2012, 2:29pm
            Not so Voronwë_the_Faithful Send a private message to Voronwë_the_Faithful Aug 4 2012, 2:50pm
                Thanks VF Kangi Ska Send a private message to Kangi Ska Aug 4 2012, 3:09pm
                    He said that about The Hobbit DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Aug 4 2012, 3:11pm
                    I would be shocked if Jackson directed any further Middle-earth films after this Voronwë_the_Faithful Send a private message to Voronwë_the_Faithful Aug 4 2012, 3:12pm
                        I can't imagine more films after this either. DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Aug 4 2012, 3:22pm
                        I wonder what other work of Tolkien's could successfully be adapted to film...? Captain Salt Send a private message to Captain Salt Aug 4 2012, 4:18pm
                            Going by the Appendices - Hanzkaz Aug 4 2012, 4:51pm
                                Would love to see a story dealing with the explored regions of ME... Captain Salt Send a private message to Captain Salt Aug 4 2012, 5:11pm
                                    I'd prefer a brief reference to the war in the north be included in the existing films than that a stand-alone film be made Bladerunner Send a private message to Bladerunner Aug 4 2012, 5:23pm
                            Wasn't me (assuming you mean me, and not another Daniel). DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Aug 4 2012, 5:45pm
                Certain Amount Of Tme JWPlatt Aug 4 2012, 5:10pm
                    Answer and perhaps another conspiracy theory SirDennisC Send a private message to SirDennisC Aug 4 2012, 5:30pm
                        Ack! That's twice today I've spelled "rationale" as "rational" SirDennisC Send a private message to SirDennisC Aug 4 2012, 5:47pm
                    A good question Voronwë_the_Faithful Send a private message to Voronwë_the_Faithful Aug 4 2012, 6:02pm
                        LOL. Silverlode Send a private message to Silverlode Aug 4 2012, 6:06pm
                        Doesn't it strictly forbid the use of the character Glorfindel Kangi Ska Send a private message to Kangi Ska Aug 4 2012, 6:43pm
                        LOL II JWPlatt Aug 4 2012, 6:56pm
                            At your own risk Voronwë_the_Faithful Send a private message to Voronwë_the_Faithful Aug 4 2012, 6:59pm
                        Desolation of Smaug Sunflower Send a private message to Sunflower Aug 5 2012, 4:56am
    Bravo! I'm sold! Let me count the ways. Ruxendil_Thoorg Send a private message to Ruxendil_Thoorg Aug 4 2012, 1:47pm
        I hope it convinces others as well DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Aug 4 2012, 2:04pm
    Um.... What? GoodGuyA Send a private message to GoodGuyA Aug 4 2012, 2:03pm
        See this thread DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Aug 4 2012, 2:09pm
            I still doubt it's Gimli. Love his voice though! GoodGuyA Send a private message to GoodGuyA Aug 4 2012, 2:11pm
                Whether it is a physical role or just a voice cameo DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Aug 4 2012, 2:12pm
    As a matter of preference, Escapist Send a private message to Escapist Aug 4 2012, 2:20pm
    Brilliant speculation! I hope the actual films are close to this as it Eruonen Send a private message to Eruonen Aug 4 2012, 2:57pm
    Well done Black Breathalizer Send a private message to Black Breathalizer Aug 4 2012, 3:20pm
    In all of this I hope that "The Hobbit" does not get lost. Kangi Ska Send a private message to Kangi Ska Aug 4 2012, 3:45pm
        It could, or it could enhance both trilogies into one continuous story. Silverlode Send a private message to Silverlode Aug 4 2012, 7:09pm
            Agree completely with this Silverlode DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Aug 4 2012, 7:22pm
                Looking at it... Silverlode Send a private message to Silverlode Aug 4 2012, 7:41pm
            I thought it might be interesting - Hanzkaz Aug 4 2012, 7:26pm
            This is brilliant speculation Shelob'sAppetite Send a private message to Shelob'sAppetite Aug 4 2012, 7:47pm
                The "quiet bits" Silverlode Send a private message to Silverlode Aug 4 2012, 8:26pm
    Again well-written article, however Captain Salt Send a private message to Captain Salt Aug 4 2012, 3:50pm
        Since it's been described as a third Hobbit film DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Aug 4 2012, 4:14pm
    The strength of the proposal SirDennisC Send a private message to SirDennisC Aug 4 2012, 4:50pm
        "Killed by pirates is good" ;) DesiringDragons Send a private message to DesiringDragons Aug 4 2012, 5:19pm
            That was the same point I was making in a previous post.... Bladerunner Send a private message to Bladerunner Aug 4 2012, 5:34pm
                Apologies for having missed that. DesiringDragons Send a private message to DesiringDragons Aug 4 2012, 5:38pm
                Well if film 2 is to focus on Smaug SirDennisC Send a private message to SirDennisC Aug 4 2012, 5:42pm
            Only if they're "man-in-suit" -- SirDennisC Send a private message to SirDennisC Aug 4 2012, 7:52pm
    Two Disagreements.... Bladerunner Send a private message to Bladerunner Aug 4 2012, 4:50pm
        I don't want Sauron to be at the Battle of Five Armies Hanzkaz Aug 4 2012, 4:57pm
            I'd prefer that the killings of the Azog, the Great Goblin, and Smaug would be enough motivation for teh Goblins and Wargs.... Bladerunner Send a private message to Bladerunner Aug 4 2012, 5:13pm
                I wouldn't be surprised if Azog and his crew - Hanzkaz Aug 4 2012, 5:18pm
        Back when Benedict Cumberbatch Silverlode Send a private message to Silverlode Aug 4 2012, 5:39pm
            I like that approach also... Bladerunner Send a private message to Bladerunner Aug 4 2012, 5:57pm
    A third film's impact on Film 2 Black Breathalizer Send a private message to Black Breathalizer Aug 4 2012, 5:19pm
    That third film still seems like a drag HiddenSpring Send a private message to HiddenSpring Aug 4 2012, 8:24pm
        Film 3 will likely include more than BOFA, IMO Shelob'sAppetite Send a private message to Shelob'sAppetite Aug 4 2012, 8:31pm
            Film 3 has other key events.... Bladerunner Send a private message to Bladerunner Aug 4 2012, 10:21pm
                Good article Yngwulff Send a private message to Yngwulff Aug 4 2012, 10:25pm
    Contents Lurker in the Dark Send a private message to Lurker in the Dark Aug 5 2012, 3:06am
        Film 2 Yngwulff Send a private message to Yngwulff Aug 5 2012, 3:22am
        Interesting theory about Bard and Tauriel... SirDennisC Send a private message to SirDennisC Aug 5 2012, 3:24am
            Isn't Bard married? Yngwulff Send a private message to Yngwulff Aug 5 2012, 3:30am
                Ah yes, but no (living) wife as far as I've heard SirDennisC Send a private message to SirDennisC Aug 5 2012, 3:35am
                    Could imply Yngwulff Send a private message to Yngwulff Aug 5 2012, 3:40am
            Contents Lurker in the Dark Send a private message to Lurker in the Dark Aug 5 2012, 7:20am
                Why Gandalf chose Bilbo *SPOILER - COMIC CON FOOTAGE* Kassandros Send a private message to Kassandros Aug 6 2012, 4:35pm
        Frodo being meant to have the Ring.. Silverlode Send a private message to Silverlode Aug 5 2012, 4:04am
            Unless Kili is revealed to be half-elven... SirDennisC Send a private message to SirDennisC Aug 5 2012, 4:24am
                *snort* Well at least... Silverlode Send a private message to Silverlode Aug 5 2012, 4:33am
                    I just had a terrible thought... TheBeerBaron Send a private message to TheBeerBaron Aug 6 2012, 6:51am
                        Tauriel and Kili DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Aug 6 2012, 7:14am
                            I thought we figured that was in jest TheBeerBaron Send a private message to TheBeerBaron Aug 6 2012, 7:19am
                                It's more real DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Aug 6 2012, 7:32am
                                    Thanks DLB TheBeerBaron Send a private message to TheBeerBaron Aug 6 2012, 7:35am
                                Highly improbable Shelob'sAppetite Send a private message to Shelob'sAppetite Aug 6 2012, 3:27pm
        Prophecy and Tauriel Phibbus Send a private message to Phibbus Aug 5 2012, 4:05am
            Tauriel Lurker in the Dark Send a private message to Lurker in the Dark Aug 5 2012, 7:45am
        Gandalf picking Bilbo BeornBerserker Send a private message to BeornBerserker Aug 5 2012, 4:29am
        Nonsense Shelob'sAppetite Send a private message to Shelob'sAppetite Aug 5 2012, 5:36am
        Tauriel and Bard innoce77 Send a private message to innoce77 Aug 6 2012, 8:33am
            Welcome out of lurkerdom innoce77 SirDennisC Send a private message to SirDennisC Aug 6 2012, 5:16pm
                Divinely inspired Black Breathalizer Send a private message to Black Breathalizer Aug 6 2012, 8:24pm
                    Amen Shelob'sAppetite Send a private message to Shelob'sAppetite Aug 6 2012, 11:11pm
                        yes Lusitano Send a private message to Lusitano Aug 7 2012, 1:24am
                        Love. lol AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Aug 7 2012, 2:56am
        Prophecy appears in several places, most notably from Gandalf and Glorfindel, actually AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Aug 6 2012, 2:20pm
    Still not sure about that third film... Phibbus Send a private message to Phibbus Aug 5 2012, 3:17am
        Hee hee SirDennisC Send a private message to SirDennisC Aug 5 2012, 3:32am
            Lucasian Structure JWPlatt Aug 5 2012, 4:39am
                *heh* I can't complain Eowyn of Penns Woods Send a private message to Eowyn of Penns Woods Aug 5 2012, 4:56am
                    Personal Canon JWPlatt Aug 5 2012, 5:11am
                Unconscious Bilbo Phibbus Send a private message to Phibbus Aug 5 2012, 5:06am
            But is it a good idea Shelob'sAppetite Send a private message to Shelob'sAppetite Aug 5 2012, 5:42am
                The structure yes SirDennisC Send a private message to SirDennisC Aug 5 2012, 7:06am
                    Makes sense Shelob'sAppetite Send a private message to Shelob'sAppetite Aug 5 2012, 5:15pm
                        Are you messing with me? SirDennisC Send a private message to SirDennisC Aug 5 2012, 10:09pm
        I'll give you a big "Amen!" for that last paragraph. Eowyn of Penns Woods Send a private message to Eowyn of Penns Woods Aug 5 2012, 4:38am
    I feel like I'm the odd man out on this. redgiraffe Send a private message to redgiraffe Aug 13 2012, 11:16am

 
 
 

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