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Lacrimae Rerum
Grey Havens
Aug 3 2012, 4:44pm
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The LOTR was deemed to be un-splittable until after it was finished. Tolkien felt it was probably unpublishable and offered to write something shorter which he felt might be more saleable. Now it is not entirely comparable but in that instance it is almost more like Jackson having shot a single 7.5hour film and then deciding afterwards to break it up. The story itself (and I know you know this, but I'm just reflecting) was nothing like the story he set out to tell - completely different in form, tone and content and much, much longer than originally planned! I suppose it depends on your underlying assumptions and maybe there was a better LOTR in what Tolkien originally planned. He may have "expanded matters at the expense of the story" but I suppose it turned out quite well. Now TH may or may not. I suppose all I am saying is that you can get great results not following the plan and adding to the planned scope doesn't always go wrong. In fact we don't really have any evidence to point us either way at the moment (as ever, IMO) Now on the audience thing though I must be firm in my views. There is a lot of slippage these days but for me the audience's role is simple. We are there to respond to the work and judge it. We aren't there to be involved, have a bit of dabble, design by consensus or anything similar in my view. The reader picks up the book when it's released and doesn't pull up a chair next to the author suggest moving chapters around or making it a bit shorter. We look at a painting in a gallery and would not be thanked for having a pop at remounting it ourselves. Download from ITunes, by all means, but don't sit outside the studio expecting to have a go on the mixing decks. We all have two fantastic opportunities to exercise our audience role. Firstly if we don't like the look of the work we can choose not to pay to see it - our greatest censure. Secondly we can see it and then respond, internally or externally, and we can judge it to our own standards. But I firmly believe that is our end of the bargain. It is the artists' work. They can do whatever they want. We are then free to buy it or not, to like it or not. I can't see how else the relationship can be conceived of. I am not sure what investment we have put in? Or what rights have accrued? I don't understand what pressure we could possibly bring to bear to "demand" anything? If we don't feel we like the look of the restaurant buffet then we don't have to order, if we don't like the food we can respond and judge it accordingly. I don't think we can pop into the kitchen and start suggesting recipes, personally. LR
(This post was edited by Lacrimae Rerum on Aug 3 2012, 4:47pm)
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Time
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The bold 'Hobbit' trilogy decision and what to expect now
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News from Bree
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Aug 2 2012, 12:24pm
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Great read - Thank you Larry!
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DanielLB
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Aug 2 2012, 10:55pm
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3 months until the premier?...
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QuackingTroll
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Aug 2 2012, 10:57pm
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Not quite
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MrCere
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Aug 2 2012, 10:59pm
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It really is crazy!
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DanielLB
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Aug 2 2012, 10:59pm
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I really don't know what's the point of this thread
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Morok Cloudkeeper
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Aug 2 2012, 11:35pm
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It's not pointless at all
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DanielLB
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Aug 2 2012, 11:38pm
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Out of curiousity - what kind of posts do you prefer reading? //
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Bladerunner
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Aug 2 2012, 11:49pm
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The ones that do not bore me.
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Morok Cloudkeeper
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Aug 2 2012, 11:53pm
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I don't like reading boring stuff, either.
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Magpie
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Aug 3 2012, 4:14pm
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No my friend
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Morok Cloudkeeper
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Aug 3 2012, 4:19pm
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well... just scanning subject lines : at least 8
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Magpie
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Aug 3 2012, 4:51pm
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Wisely said
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Morok Cloudkeeper
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Aug 3 2012, 9:47pm
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The "you can't really read tone on the internet" defense would go right out the window! ;) //
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Eowyn of Penns Woods
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Aug 3 2012, 10:37pm
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I feel similar... I don't have any interest in the 3 movies news...
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QuackingTroll
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Aug 3 2012, 12:05am
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Me too
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Morok Cloudkeeper
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Aug 3 2012, 12:09am
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Nailed it
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Elessar
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Aug 3 2012, 12:15am
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um...
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Lindele
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Aug 3 2012, 8:01pm
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I fully agree with you until the point where you discuss the breaking of the films,
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painjoiker
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Aug 2 2012, 11:03pm
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Very enjoyable read MrCere
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SirDennisC
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Aug 2 2012, 11:18pm
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Awesome post!
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Bladerunner
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Aug 2 2012, 11:19pm
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Fellowship felt very, very rushed
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Aug 4 2012, 9:06pm
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While I was reading the post....
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Jim
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Aug 2 2012, 11:24pm
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On paper it's a nice idea.
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DanielLB
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Aug 2 2012, 11:34pm
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Endless stair
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Morok Cloudkeeper
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Aug 2 2012, 11:58pm
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If they wanted to add more scenes
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DanielLB
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Aug 3 2012, 12:04am
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I always hoped he would!
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Bladerunner
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Aug 2 2012, 11:46pm
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Benefit of having dwarves' imprisonment as ending to Film 1...
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Bladerunner
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Aug 2 2012, 11:40pm
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Oooh ... I like it.
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DanielLB
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Aug 2 2012, 11:58pm
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Encoding
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JWPlatt
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Aug 2 2012, 11:55pm
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Nit Pick
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JWPlatt
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Aug 3 2012, 12:26am
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good nit pick
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MrCere
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Aug 3 2012, 2:01am
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I wanted to add, given the flavour of the article,
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SirDennisC
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Aug 3 2012, 2:07am
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Fantastic write up
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There&ThereAgain
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Aug 3 2012, 2:15am
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Gonna have to disagree on film one break.
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Ardamírë
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Aug 3 2012, 2:46am
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2nd break
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MrCere
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Aug 3 2012, 5:35am
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Nice job. This can't be said often enough:
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Lissuin
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Aug 3 2012, 3:00am
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Disagree
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Yngwulff
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Aug 3 2012, 3:11am
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Hey now!
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MrCere
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Aug 3 2012, 5:36am
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I'm calling it for Mirkwood
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Spaldron
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Aug 3 2012, 3:22am
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I found you're review to be glowing, though I don't know that I agree on some points.
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AinurOlorin
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Aug 3 2012, 4:44am
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Yes, clearly possible
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MrCere
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Aug 3 2012, 5:43am
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Wonderful
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Sunflower
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Aug 3 2012, 6:47am
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my take
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TheCoon
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Aug 3 2012, 1:47pm
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Well-written and comprehensive article - however, can't agree with the praise for PJ as
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Captain Salt
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Aug 3 2012, 2:14pm
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BTW, have not made any final judegment...and likely won't be able to do so until Summer of 2014 at the earliest
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Captain Salt
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Aug 3 2012, 2:18pm
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a shortcut to mushrooms
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There&ThereAgain
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Aug 3 2012, 2:37pm
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True, the book has been good enough for decades...
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Captain Salt
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Aug 3 2012, 4:09pm
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Indirect benefits
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DanielLB
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Aug 3 2012, 4:20pm
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I worry that it may turn people away from the book. One of my sincere concerns is
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AinurOlorin
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Aug 5 2012, 7:19am
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That is also inevitable
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DanielLB
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Aug 5 2012, 8:53am
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Hmmm
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Aug 3 2012, 2:37pm
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Except what I actually said was
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Captain Salt
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Aug 3 2012, 4:03pm
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Well it was a bit like that.
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Aug 3 2012, 4:44pm
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Not so much suggesting recipes as reacting after ordering a meal and getting it in three segments several hours apart and caked in fat
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Captain Salt
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Aug 3 2012, 7:16pm
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Ha ah ah but it is a buffet not a la carte.
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Aug 3 2012, 8:43pm
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Of course, Peter is the creator...but IMO, in an instance such as this, it's not unreasonable for the audience to not co-create, but react to PJ's decision...
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Captain Salt
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Aug 4 2012, 2:55am
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Yes...
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Eowyn of Penns Woods
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Aug 4 2012, 4:57am
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I would agree with this
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Aug 4 2012, 11:31am
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Amen Sister!
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AinurOlorin
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Aug 5 2012, 7:20am
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Ah but where does the agreement come in?
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Aug 4 2012, 10:35am
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I suppose in this case it's more about presentation than inception...
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Captain Salt
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Aug 4 2012, 4:07pm
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If the end result
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Aug 4 2012, 8:25pm
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In any event, still excited to see how this all turns out and hoping for the best!
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Captain Salt
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Aug 4 2012, 4:19pm
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Been following this with interest and some amusement...
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dormouse
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Aug 4 2012, 11:22am
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True enough...unless I can't decide whether I like the film or not and develop Gollum/Smeagol-esque double personalities! ;) //
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Captain Salt
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Aug 4 2012, 3:58pm
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Nay, my dear Captain Salt. Peter is the adaptor
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AinurOlorin
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Aug 5 2012, 7:25am
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There's a part of me --
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SirDennisC
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Aug 3 2012, 2:44pm
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Yes, will certainly give them a chance!
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Captain Salt
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Aug 3 2012, 4:06pm
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Excellent article
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hasufel
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Aug 3 2012, 3:19pm
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The Film 1 Break and Bilbo's Arc
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Kassandros
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Aug 3 2012, 3:40pm
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Thank you !!
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peleowyn
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Aug 3 2012, 6:03pm
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Thank you
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Lindele
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Aug 3 2012, 7:58pm
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