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Kassandros
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Aug 3 2012, 3:40pm
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The Film 1 Break and Bilbo's Arc
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I'm a longtime lurker, but this is my first post here. I enjoyed this writeup. Looking forward to the soda! As for the end of film 1, I think we need to think about Bilbo's arc. There seem to me to be two major points of character development for Bilbo before Barrels Out of Bonds: 1. Riddles In the Dark. For the first time, Bilbo is alone for an extended period of time. He has to deal with Gollum himself. He finds his "courage". There is no way the film can end before this point. 2. Flies and Spiders. Bilbo is a changed man (er, hobbit) when he takes up Sting and fights the spiders to save his companions. This time, he finds his real courage. He has clearly evolved. Personally, I don't think the first movie can end before Flies and Spiders. It'd feel incomplete because whether Bilbo is really a hero and adventurer has not been resolved. The movie starts with the dwarves not trusting his ability and courage. How appropriate would it be for the film to end with Bilbo rescuing the dwarves and fully proving himself to them? I think the original plan was to end Film 1 at Barrels Out of Bond. Due to adding a third film, I can see moving the Thranduil's Halls section to Film 2 because, thematically, it better fits with Films 2 and 3. However, I don't think they can end Film 1 before Bilbo's display of bravery against the spiders, so the capture by the elves seems the most likely ending if they decide to abandon the Barrels Out of Bond ending.
(This post was edited by Kassandros on Aug 3 2012, 3:43pm)
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Time
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The bold 'Hobbit' trilogy decision and what to expect now
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News from Bree
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Aug 2 2012, 12:24pm
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Great read - Thank you Larry!
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DanielLB
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Aug 2 2012, 10:55pm
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3 months until the premier?...
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QuackingTroll
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Aug 2 2012, 10:57pm
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Not quite
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MrCere
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Aug 2 2012, 10:59pm
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It really is crazy!
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DanielLB
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Aug 2 2012, 10:59pm
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I really don't know what's the point of this thread
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Morok Cloudkeeper
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Aug 2 2012, 11:35pm
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It's not pointless at all
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DanielLB
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Aug 2 2012, 11:38pm
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Out of curiousity - what kind of posts do you prefer reading? //
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Bladerunner
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Aug 2 2012, 11:49pm
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The ones that do not bore me.
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Morok Cloudkeeper
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Aug 2 2012, 11:53pm
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I don't like reading boring stuff, either.
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Magpie
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Aug 3 2012, 4:14pm
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No my friend
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Morok Cloudkeeper
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Aug 3 2012, 4:19pm
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well... just scanning subject lines : at least 8
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Magpie
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Aug 3 2012, 4:51pm
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Wisely said
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Morok Cloudkeeper
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Aug 3 2012, 9:47pm
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The "you can't really read tone on the internet" defense would go right out the window! ;) //
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Eowyn of Penns Woods
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Aug 3 2012, 10:37pm
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I feel similar... I don't have any interest in the 3 movies news...
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QuackingTroll
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Aug 3 2012, 12:05am
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Me too
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Morok Cloudkeeper
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Aug 3 2012, 12:09am
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Nailed it
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Elessar
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Aug 3 2012, 12:15am
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um...
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Lindele
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Aug 3 2012, 8:01pm
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I fully agree with you until the point where you discuss the breaking of the films,
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painjoiker
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Aug 2 2012, 11:03pm
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Very enjoyable read MrCere
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SirDennisC
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Aug 2 2012, 11:18pm
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Awesome post!
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Bladerunner
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Aug 2 2012, 11:19pm
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Fellowship felt very, very rushed
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Aug 4 2012, 9:06pm
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While I was reading the post....
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Jim
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Aug 2 2012, 11:24pm
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On paper it's a nice idea.
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DanielLB
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Aug 2 2012, 11:34pm
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Endless stair
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Morok Cloudkeeper
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Aug 2 2012, 11:58pm
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If they wanted to add more scenes
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DanielLB
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Aug 3 2012, 12:04am
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I always hoped he would!
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Bladerunner
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Aug 2 2012, 11:46pm
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Benefit of having dwarves' imprisonment as ending to Film 1...
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Bladerunner
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Aug 2 2012, 11:40pm
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Oooh ... I like it.
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DanielLB
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Aug 2 2012, 11:58pm
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Encoding
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JWPlatt
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Aug 2 2012, 11:55pm
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Nit Pick
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JWPlatt
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Aug 3 2012, 12:26am
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good nit pick
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MrCere
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Aug 3 2012, 2:01am
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I wanted to add, given the flavour of the article,
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SirDennisC
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Aug 3 2012, 2:07am
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Fantastic write up
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There&ThereAgain
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Aug 3 2012, 2:15am
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Gonna have to disagree on film one break.
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Ardamírë
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Aug 3 2012, 2:46am
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2nd break
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MrCere
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Aug 3 2012, 5:35am
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Nice job. This can't be said often enough:
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Lissuin
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Aug 3 2012, 3:00am
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Disagree
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Yngwulff
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Aug 3 2012, 3:11am
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Hey now!
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MrCere
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Aug 3 2012, 5:36am
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I'm calling it for Mirkwood
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Spaldron
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Aug 3 2012, 3:22am
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I found you're review to be glowing, though I don't know that I agree on some points.
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AinurOlorin
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Aug 3 2012, 4:44am
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Yes, clearly possible
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MrCere
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Aug 3 2012, 5:43am
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Wonderful
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Sunflower
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Aug 3 2012, 6:47am
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my take
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TheCoon
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Aug 3 2012, 1:47pm
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Well-written and comprehensive article - however, can't agree with the praise for PJ as
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Captain Salt
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Aug 3 2012, 2:14pm
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BTW, have not made any final judegment...and likely won't be able to do so until Summer of 2014 at the earliest
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Captain Salt
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Aug 3 2012, 2:18pm
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a shortcut to mushrooms
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There&ThereAgain
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Aug 3 2012, 2:37pm
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True, the book has been good enough for decades...
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Captain Salt
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Aug 3 2012, 4:09pm
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Indirect benefits
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DanielLB
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Aug 3 2012, 4:20pm
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I worry that it may turn people away from the book. One of my sincere concerns is
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AinurOlorin
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Aug 5 2012, 7:19am
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That is also inevitable
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DanielLB
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Aug 5 2012, 8:53am
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Hmmm
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Aug 3 2012, 2:37pm
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Except what I actually said was
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Captain Salt
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Aug 3 2012, 4:03pm
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Well it was a bit like that.
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Aug 3 2012, 4:44pm
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Not so much suggesting recipes as reacting after ordering a meal and getting it in three segments several hours apart and caked in fat
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Captain Salt
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Aug 3 2012, 7:16pm
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Ha ah ah but it is a buffet not a la carte.
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Aug 3 2012, 8:43pm
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Of course, Peter is the creator...but IMO, in an instance such as this, it's not unreasonable for the audience to not co-create, but react to PJ's decision...
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Captain Salt
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Aug 4 2012, 2:55am
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Yes...
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Eowyn of Penns Woods
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Aug 4 2012, 4:57am
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I would agree with this
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Aug 4 2012, 11:31am
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Amen Sister!
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AinurOlorin
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Aug 5 2012, 7:20am
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Ah but where does the agreement come in?
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Aug 4 2012, 10:35am
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I suppose in this case it's more about presentation than inception...
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Captain Salt
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Aug 4 2012, 4:07pm
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If the end result
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Aug 4 2012, 8:25pm
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In any event, still excited to see how this all turns out and hoping for the best!
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Captain Salt
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Aug 4 2012, 4:19pm
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Been following this with interest and some amusement...
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dormouse
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Aug 4 2012, 11:22am
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True enough...unless I can't decide whether I like the film or not and develop Gollum/Smeagol-esque double personalities! ;) //
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Captain Salt
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Aug 4 2012, 3:58pm
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Nay, my dear Captain Salt. Peter is the adaptor
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AinurOlorin
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Aug 5 2012, 7:25am
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There's a part of me --
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SirDennisC
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Aug 3 2012, 2:44pm
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Yes, will certainly give them a chance!
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Captain Salt
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Aug 3 2012, 4:06pm
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Excellent article
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hasufel
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Aug 3 2012, 3:19pm
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The Film 1 Break and Bilbo's Arc
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Kassandros
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Aug 3 2012, 3:40pm
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Thank you !!
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peleowyn
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Aug 3 2012, 6:03pm
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Thank you
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Lindele
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Aug 3 2012, 7:58pm
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