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Aug 3 2012, 6:47am


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And may I add, I don't drink what we (former Michiganders) call "pop" but I must confess I've developed a fondness for McDonald's Chocolate Chip Frappe's..one of those please! Smile

I had to laugh at your comparison of the development of Th to that of other great Film Classics...esp Apocolypse Now (which, if you'll remember, was origionally a george Lucas creation and he was going to direct it...until SW got in the way...and Coppola got it. Ah, one of the more interesting "what-ifs" in modern film history..."AN" directed by George Lucas..what might have happened out there in the Philippines...:).
More than once in the past 3 or 4 yrs my favorite "making-of" documentary outside of the EE'sof course, Eleanor Coppola's "Hearts Of Darkness" came to mind. it came to my mind again Monday. Just think:

With Apocolypse Now (one of the great "Production hell" AND success stories in cinema history) we had, among many other things:
--Lucas conceiving the idea, writing the first drafts of the script (back in the early 70's, when he was a halfway decent writer--I've even read the earlist drafts of SW when they were the "Jedi Bendu"..and dangit, they were MUCh better than some of what we saw onscreen!)
--The initial block of shooting in the Philippines, the sheer logistics of setting up...
--cooperating with Ferdinand Marcos (Him? I think) taking away the helicopters to fight guerrillas just a dozen miles away from shooting
--Typhoon Mary, which famously destroyed most of the sets
--rampant drug use by just about everyone on set, icluding many of the actors
--a script that didn't know where it was going, b/c the director was Contemplating the Secrets Of The Universe
--Marty Sheen's famous nervous breakdown (the opening Saigon Hotel Room sequence, captured forever for posterity live onscreen)
--and of course his heart attack, which divided shooting pretty much in half, Coppola handling the Hollywood fallout from that
--having to film for something like 2 months with no Marty, with the result of stuff just being made up
--Coppola having affairs with at least 2 of his staff, some say this was why he had his wide do a "making of", he wanted to keep her busy...
--Kurtz's village--the stuff with the tribes, a movie all in itself
--and last but not least, the whole drama with a reluctant Marlon Brando who threatened to quit how many times? for various reasons but finally b/c Coppola didn't know where the story was going and had no idea how to end it.

With TH, we have had (that I can remember):

--the opening lawsuits against New Line, first by Jackson, and then some of the LOTR cast, over royalties--studios told Jackson this lawsuit over "Hollywood accounting" just isn't done
--the Tolkien Estate Lawsuit, which held up production (or the announcement? I don't remember) for HOW LONG?
--Finding a director when Peter said he didnt want the gig--how we and Hollywood speculated on that!
--reaction to Del Toro
--the 2 1/2 yrs of the Guillermo Period (sigh, how I miss his posting in here..what a great time that was)
--Anxiety about getting the greenlight, while the MGM drama went on and on..and ON
--Del Toro leaving, and again, speculaton over the director
--Peter coming back to his own project, would the film get greenlit now?
--Finally, a greenlight, but then the NZ/Australia labor dispute...Peter getting alernately slammed and defended in NZ media.
--the labor dispute dragging on and ON, until the whole production was going to stop or not happen, would WB move filming out of NZ?
--you know the saying "it would take an Act of Parliament?" well, this one did...a litteral Act by the Prime Minister of NZ
--WB flying out to Nz for talks with Peter at the same time..what was discussed?
--Production begins..FINALLY! We can relax...or can we?
--48 fps? What's that? At Cinema-Con we find out...or do we?
--And just when we think that this epic drama is already for the history books, THIS happens....

Maybe not as spectacular as Apocolypse Now, but just the same level of "behind the scenes" drama!

I have gotten to thinking that alog with AinuOlorin, a bit of healthy skepticism is practical. In fact I was thinkng today that it may be good luck! Every time I doubted this thig would go forward, and aired my doubts here, Peter's luck defied odds. Maybe this is the "anti-Apocolypse" ...Coppola's comment at Cannes 1979: "We had access to too much money, too much equipement...and little by little we went insane." true here, no?Laugh
This is indeed a much more cheerful brand of utter insanity! maybe I should gripe some more...then more will turn out right! :)
How I learned to Stop Worrying And Love Film 3"LOL.

Your comments about the marketing, the merch difficulties...I had to confess I hadn't thought of that. that argument has ALMOST Evil swayed me. Now, I am thinking peter might have one last trick up his sleeve, to outfox the studio...he could drag the filming out an extra few weeks so he can turn around to WB and say, 'sorry we can't finish on time" so WB will HAVE to push filn 3 back to a Dec 2014 date. If Cameron can do it for Avatar 2...why can't he?:) (not make the origiobal date). When WB sees the box-office retunrs in January 2013 for Film 1, they won't be as upset at peter methinks..and he knows this::)

Just for the sake of Oscar speculation....a Dec date vastly increases awards potential, even if Peter knows he cant win, it would be nice to more NZ crew nminated so to break into the industry the way Ngila Dickson did.


As to the tell-all book: Maybe Kristen Thompson may change her mind on whether she'll write a "Frodo Franchise"-style follow-up! Hopefully she gets access to all the Parties That Be, one bright day down the road...


(This post was edited by Sunflower on Aug 3 2012, 6:56am)

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The bold 'Hobbit' trilogy decision and what to expect now News from Bree Send a private message to News from Bree Aug 2 2012, 12:24pm
    Great read - Thank you Larry! DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Aug 2 2012, 10:55pm
        3 months until the premier?... QuackingTroll Send a private message to QuackingTroll Aug 2 2012, 10:57pm
            Not quite MrCere Send a private message to MrCere Aug 2 2012, 10:59pm
            It really is crazy! DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Aug 2 2012, 10:59pm
        I really don't know what's the point of this thread Morok Cloudkeeper Send a private message to Morok Cloudkeeper Aug 2 2012, 11:35pm
            It's not pointless at all DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Aug 2 2012, 11:38pm
            Out of curiousity - what kind of posts do you prefer reading? // Bladerunner Send a private message to Bladerunner Aug 2 2012, 11:49pm
                The ones that do not bore me. Morok Cloudkeeper Send a private message to Morok Cloudkeeper Aug 2 2012, 11:53pm
                    I don't like reading boring stuff, either. Magpie Send a private message to Magpie Aug 3 2012, 4:14pm
                        No my friend Morok Cloudkeeper Send a private message to Morok Cloudkeeper Aug 3 2012, 4:19pm
                            well... just scanning subject lines : at least 8 Magpie Send a private message to Magpie Aug 3 2012, 4:51pm
                                Wisely said Morok Cloudkeeper Send a private message to Morok Cloudkeeper Aug 3 2012, 9:47pm
                                    The "you can't really read tone on the internet" defense would go right out the window! ;) // Eowyn of Penns Woods Send a private message to Eowyn of Penns Woods Aug 3 2012, 10:37pm
            I feel similar... I don't have any interest in the 3 movies news... QuackingTroll Send a private message to QuackingTroll Aug 3 2012, 12:05am
                Me too Morok Cloudkeeper Send a private message to Morok Cloudkeeper Aug 3 2012, 12:09am
                    Nailed it Elessar Send a private message to Elessar Aug 3 2012, 12:15am
            um... Lindele Send a private message to Lindele Aug 3 2012, 8:01pm
    I fully agree with you until the point where you discuss the breaking of the films, painjoiker Send a private message to painjoiker Aug 2 2012, 11:03pm
    Very enjoyable read MrCere SirDennisC Send a private message to SirDennisC Aug 2 2012, 11:18pm
    Awesome post! Bladerunner Send a private message to Bladerunner Aug 2 2012, 11:19pm
        Fellowship felt very, very rushed Shelob'sAppetite Send a private message to Shelob'sAppetite Aug 4 2012, 9:06pm
    While I was reading the post.... Jim Send a private message to Jim Aug 2 2012, 11:24pm
        On paper it's a nice idea. DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Aug 2 2012, 11:34pm
            Endless stair Morok Cloudkeeper Send a private message to Morok Cloudkeeper Aug 2 2012, 11:58pm
                If they wanted to add more scenes DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Aug 3 2012, 12:04am
        I always hoped he would! Bladerunner Send a private message to Bladerunner Aug 2 2012, 11:46pm
    Benefit of having dwarves' imprisonment as ending to Film 1... Bladerunner Send a private message to Bladerunner Aug 2 2012, 11:40pm
        Oooh ... I like it. DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Aug 2 2012, 11:58pm
    Encoding JWPlatt Aug 2 2012, 11:55pm
    Nit Pick JWPlatt Aug 3 2012, 12:26am
        good nit pick MrCere Send a private message to MrCere Aug 3 2012, 2:01am
            I wanted to add, given the flavour of the article, SirDennisC Send a private message to SirDennisC Aug 3 2012, 2:07am
    Fantastic write up There&ThereAgain Send a private message to There&ThereAgain Aug 3 2012, 2:15am
    Gonna have to disagree on film one break. Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Aug 3 2012, 2:46am
        2nd break MrCere Send a private message to MrCere Aug 3 2012, 5:35am
    Nice job. This can't be said often enough: Lissuin Send a private message to Lissuin Aug 3 2012, 3:00am
        Disagree Yngwulff Send a private message to Yngwulff Aug 3 2012, 3:11am
        Hey now! MrCere Send a private message to MrCere Aug 3 2012, 5:36am
    I'm calling it for Mirkwood Spaldron Send a private message to Spaldron Aug 3 2012, 3:22am
    I found you're review to be glowing, though I don't know that I agree on some points. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Aug 3 2012, 4:44am
        Yes, clearly possible MrCere Send a private message to MrCere Aug 3 2012, 5:43am
    Wonderful Sunflower Send a private message to Sunflower Aug 3 2012, 6:47am
        my take TheCoon Send a private message to TheCoon Aug 3 2012, 1:47pm
    Well-written and comprehensive article - however, can't agree with the praise for PJ as Captain Salt Send a private message to Captain Salt Aug 3 2012, 2:14pm
        BTW, have not made any final judegment...and likely won't be able to do so until Summer of 2014 at the earliest Captain Salt Send a private message to Captain Salt Aug 3 2012, 2:18pm
            a shortcut to mushrooms There&ThereAgain Send a private message to There&ThereAgain Aug 3 2012, 2:37pm
                True, the book has been good enough for decades... Captain Salt Send a private message to Captain Salt Aug 3 2012, 4:09pm
                    Indirect benefits DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Aug 3 2012, 4:20pm
                        I worry that it may turn people away from the book. One of my sincere concerns is AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Aug 5 2012, 7:19am
                            That is also inevitable DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Aug 5 2012, 8:53am
        Hmmm Lacrimae Rerum Send a private message to Lacrimae Rerum Aug 3 2012, 2:37pm
            Except what I actually said was Captain Salt Send a private message to Captain Salt Aug 3 2012, 4:03pm
                Well it was a bit like that. Lacrimae Rerum Send a private message to Lacrimae Rerum Aug 3 2012, 4:44pm
                    Not so much suggesting recipes as reacting after ordering a meal and getting it in three segments several hours apart and caked in fat Captain Salt Send a private message to Captain Salt Aug 3 2012, 7:16pm
                        Ha ah ah but it is a buffet not a la carte. Lacrimae Rerum Send a private message to Lacrimae Rerum Aug 3 2012, 8:43pm
                            Of course, Peter is the creator...but IMO, in an instance such as this, it's not unreasonable for the audience to not co-create, but react to PJ's decision... Captain Salt Send a private message to Captain Salt Aug 4 2012, 2:55am
                                Yes... Eowyn of Penns Woods Send a private message to Eowyn of Penns Woods Aug 4 2012, 4:57am
                                    I would agree with this Lacrimae Rerum Send a private message to Lacrimae Rerum Aug 4 2012, 11:31am
                                    Amen Sister! AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Aug 5 2012, 7:20am
                                Ah but where does the agreement come in? Lacrimae Rerum Send a private message to Lacrimae Rerum Aug 4 2012, 10:35am
                                    I suppose in this case it's more about presentation than inception... Captain Salt Send a private message to Captain Salt Aug 4 2012, 4:07pm
                                        If the end result Lacrimae Rerum Send a private message to Lacrimae Rerum Aug 4 2012, 8:25pm
                                    In any event, still excited to see how this all turns out and hoping for the best! Captain Salt Send a private message to Captain Salt Aug 4 2012, 4:19pm
                                Been following this with interest and some amusement... dormouse Send a private message to dormouse Aug 4 2012, 11:22am
                                    True enough...unless I can't decide whether I like the film or not and develop Gollum/Smeagol-esque double personalities! ;) // Captain Salt Send a private message to Captain Salt Aug 4 2012, 3:58pm
                                Nay, my dear Captain Salt. Peter is the adaptor AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Aug 5 2012, 7:25am
        There's a part of me -- SirDennisC Send a private message to SirDennisC Aug 3 2012, 2:44pm
            Yes, will certainly give them a chance! Captain Salt Send a private message to Captain Salt Aug 3 2012, 4:06pm
    Excellent article hasufel Send a private message to hasufel Aug 3 2012, 3:19pm
    The Film 1 Break and Bilbo's Arc Kassandros Send a private message to Kassandros Aug 3 2012, 3:40pm
    Thank you !! peleowyn Send a private message to peleowyn Aug 3 2012, 6:03pm
    Thank you Lindele Send a private message to Lindele Aug 3 2012, 7:58pm

 
 
 

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