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Sunflower
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Aug 3 2012, 6:47am
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And may I add, I don't drink what we (former Michiganders) call "pop" but I must confess I've developed a fondness for McDonald's Chocolate Chip Frappe's..one of those please! 
I had to laugh at your comparison of the development of Th to that of other great Film Classics...esp Apocolypse Now (which, if you'll remember, was origionally a george Lucas creation and he was going to direct it...until SW got in the way...and Coppola got it. Ah, one of the more interesting "what-ifs" in modern film history..."AN" directed by George Lucas..what might have happened out there in the Philippines...:).
More than once in the past 3 or 4 yrs my favorite "making-of" documentary outside of the EE'sof course, Eleanor Coppola's "Hearts Of Darkness" came to mind. it came to my mind again Monday. Just think:
With Apocolypse Now (one of the great "Production hell" AND success stories in cinema history) we had, among many other things:
--Lucas conceiving the idea, writing the first drafts of the script (back in the early 70's, when he was a halfway decent writer--I've even read the earlist drafts of SW when they were the "Jedi Bendu"..and dangit, they were MUCh better than some of what we saw onscreen!)
--The initial block of shooting in the Philippines, the sheer logistics of setting up...
--cooperating with Ferdinand Marcos (Him? I think) taking away the helicopters to fight guerrillas just a dozen miles away from shooting
--Typhoon Mary, which famously destroyed most of the sets
--rampant drug use by just about everyone on set, icluding many of the actors
--a script that didn't know where it was going, b/c the director was Contemplating the Secrets Of The Universe
--Marty Sheen's famous nervous breakdown (the opening Saigon Hotel Room sequence, captured forever for posterity live onscreen)
--and of course his heart attack, which divided shooting pretty much in half, Coppola handling the Hollywood fallout from that
--having to film for something like 2 months with no Marty, with the result of stuff just being made up
--Coppola having affairs with at least 2 of his staff, some say this was why he had his wide do a "making of", he wanted to keep her busy...
--Kurtz's village--the stuff with the tribes, a movie all in itself
--and last but not least, the whole drama with a reluctant Marlon Brando who threatened to quit how many times? for various reasons but finally b/c Coppola didn't know where the story was going and had no idea how to end it.
With TH, we have had (that I can remember):
--the opening lawsuits against New Line, first by Jackson, and then some of the LOTR cast, over royalties--studios told Jackson this lawsuit over "Hollywood accounting" just isn't done
--the Tolkien Estate Lawsuit, which held up production (or the announcement? I don't remember) for HOW LONG?
--Finding a director when Peter said he didnt want the gig--how we and Hollywood speculated on that!
--reaction to Del Toro
--the 2 1/2 yrs of the Guillermo Period (sigh, how I miss his posting in here..what a great time that was)
--Anxiety about getting the greenlight, while the MGM drama went on and on..and ON
--Del Toro leaving, and again, speculaton over the director
--Peter coming back to his own project, would the film get greenlit now?
--Finally, a greenlight, but then the NZ/Australia labor dispute...Peter getting alernately slammed and defended in NZ media.
--the labor dispute dragging on and ON, until the whole production was going to stop or not happen, would WB move filming out of NZ?
--you know the saying "it would take an Act of Parliament?" well, this one did...a litteral Act by the Prime Minister of NZ
--WB flying out to Nz for talks with Peter at the same time..what was discussed?
--Production begins..FINALLY! We can relax...or can we?
--48 fps? What's that? At Cinema-Con we find out...or do we?
--And just when we think that this epic drama is already for the history books, THIS happens....
Maybe not as spectacular as Apocolypse Now, but just the same level of "behind the scenes" drama!
I have gotten to thinking that alog with AinuOlorin, a bit of healthy skepticism is practical. In fact I was thinkng today that it may be good luck! Every time I doubted this thig would go forward, and aired my doubts here, Peter's luck defied odds. Maybe this is the "anti-Apocolypse" ...Coppola's comment at Cannes 1979: "We had access to too much money, too much equipement...and little by little we went insane." true here, no?
This is indeed a much more cheerful brand of utter insanity! maybe I should gripe some more...then more will turn out right! :)
How I learned to Stop Worrying And Love Film 3"LOL.
Your comments about the marketing, the merch difficulties...I had to confess I hadn't thought of that. that argument has ALMOST  swayed me. Now, I am thinking peter might have one last trick up his sleeve, to outfox the studio...he could drag the filming out an extra few weeks so he can turn around to WB and say, 'sorry we can't finish on time" so WB will HAVE to push filn 3 back to a Dec 2014 date. If Cameron can do it for Avatar 2...why can't he?:) (not make the origiobal date). When WB sees the box-office retunrs in January 2013 for Film 1, they won't be as upset at peter methinks..and he knows this::)
Just for the sake of Oscar speculation....a Dec date vastly increases awards potential, even if Peter knows he cant win, it would be nice to more NZ crew nminated so to break into the industry the way Ngila Dickson did.
As to the tell-all book: Maybe Kristen Thompson may change her mind on whether she'll write a "Frodo Franchise"-style follow-up! Hopefully she gets access to all the Parties That Be, one bright day down the road...
(This post was edited by Sunflower on Aug 3 2012, 6:56am)
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The bold 'Hobbit' trilogy decision and what to expect now
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News from Bree
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Aug 2 2012, 12:24pm
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Great read - Thank you Larry!
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DanielLB
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Aug 2 2012, 10:55pm
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3 months until the premier?...
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QuackingTroll
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Aug 2 2012, 10:57pm
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Not quite
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MrCere
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Aug 2 2012, 10:59pm
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It really is crazy!
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DanielLB
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Aug 2 2012, 10:59pm
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I really don't know what's the point of this thread
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Morok Cloudkeeper
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Aug 2 2012, 11:35pm
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It's not pointless at all
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DanielLB
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Aug 2 2012, 11:38pm
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Out of curiousity - what kind of posts do you prefer reading? //
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Bladerunner
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Aug 2 2012, 11:49pm
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The ones that do not bore me.
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Morok Cloudkeeper
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Aug 2 2012, 11:53pm
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I don't like reading boring stuff, either.
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Magpie
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Aug 3 2012, 4:14pm
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No my friend
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Morok Cloudkeeper
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Aug 3 2012, 4:19pm
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well... just scanning subject lines : at least 8
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Magpie
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Aug 3 2012, 4:51pm
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Wisely said
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Morok Cloudkeeper
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Aug 3 2012, 9:47pm
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The "you can't really read tone on the internet" defense would go right out the window! ;) //
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Eowyn of Penns Woods
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Aug 3 2012, 10:37pm
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I feel similar... I don't have any interest in the 3 movies news...
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QuackingTroll
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Aug 3 2012, 12:05am
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Me too
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Morok Cloudkeeper
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Aug 3 2012, 12:09am
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Nailed it
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Elessar
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Aug 3 2012, 12:15am
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um...
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Lindele
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Aug 3 2012, 8:01pm
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I fully agree with you until the point where you discuss the breaking of the films,
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painjoiker
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Aug 2 2012, 11:03pm
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Very enjoyable read MrCere
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SirDennisC
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Aug 2 2012, 11:18pm
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Awesome post!
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Bladerunner
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Aug 2 2012, 11:19pm
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Fellowship felt very, very rushed
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Aug 4 2012, 9:06pm
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While I was reading the post....
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Jim
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Aug 2 2012, 11:24pm
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On paper it's a nice idea.
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DanielLB
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Aug 2 2012, 11:34pm
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Endless stair
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Morok Cloudkeeper
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Aug 2 2012, 11:58pm
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If they wanted to add more scenes
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DanielLB
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Aug 3 2012, 12:04am
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I always hoped he would!
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Bladerunner
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Aug 2 2012, 11:46pm
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Benefit of having dwarves' imprisonment as ending to Film 1...
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Bladerunner
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Aug 2 2012, 11:40pm
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Oooh ... I like it.
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DanielLB
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Aug 2 2012, 11:58pm
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Encoding
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JWPlatt
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Aug 2 2012, 11:55pm
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Nit Pick
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JWPlatt
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Aug 3 2012, 12:26am
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good nit pick
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MrCere
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Aug 3 2012, 2:01am
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I wanted to add, given the flavour of the article,
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SirDennisC
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Aug 3 2012, 2:07am
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Fantastic write up
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There&ThereAgain
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Aug 3 2012, 2:15am
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Gonna have to disagree on film one break.
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Ardamírë
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Aug 3 2012, 2:46am
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2nd break
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MrCere
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Aug 3 2012, 5:35am
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Nice job. This can't be said often enough:
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Lissuin
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Aug 3 2012, 3:00am
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Disagree
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Yngwulff
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Aug 3 2012, 3:11am
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Hey now!
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MrCere
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Aug 3 2012, 5:36am
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I'm calling it for Mirkwood
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Spaldron
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Aug 3 2012, 3:22am
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I found you're review to be glowing, though I don't know that I agree on some points.
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AinurOlorin
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Aug 3 2012, 4:44am
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Yes, clearly possible
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MrCere
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Aug 3 2012, 5:43am
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Wonderful
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Sunflower
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Aug 3 2012, 6:47am
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my take
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TheCoon
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Aug 3 2012, 1:47pm
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Well-written and comprehensive article - however, can't agree with the praise for PJ as
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Captain Salt
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Aug 3 2012, 2:14pm
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BTW, have not made any final judegment...and likely won't be able to do so until Summer of 2014 at the earliest
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Captain Salt
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Aug 3 2012, 2:18pm
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a shortcut to mushrooms
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There&ThereAgain
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Aug 3 2012, 2:37pm
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True, the book has been good enough for decades...
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Captain Salt
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Aug 3 2012, 4:09pm
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Indirect benefits
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DanielLB
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Aug 3 2012, 4:20pm
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I worry that it may turn people away from the book. One of my sincere concerns is
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AinurOlorin
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Aug 5 2012, 7:19am
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That is also inevitable
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DanielLB
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Aug 5 2012, 8:53am
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Hmmm
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Aug 3 2012, 2:37pm
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Except what I actually said was
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Captain Salt
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Aug 3 2012, 4:03pm
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Well it was a bit like that.
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Aug 3 2012, 4:44pm
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Not so much suggesting recipes as reacting after ordering a meal and getting it in three segments several hours apart and caked in fat
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Captain Salt
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Aug 3 2012, 7:16pm
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Ha ah ah but it is a buffet not a la carte.
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Aug 3 2012, 8:43pm
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Of course, Peter is the creator...but IMO, in an instance such as this, it's not unreasonable for the audience to not co-create, but react to PJ's decision...
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Captain Salt
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Aug 4 2012, 2:55am
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Yes...
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Eowyn of Penns Woods
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Aug 4 2012, 4:57am
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I would agree with this
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Aug 4 2012, 11:31am
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Amen Sister!
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AinurOlorin
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Aug 5 2012, 7:20am
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Ah but where does the agreement come in?
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Aug 4 2012, 10:35am
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I suppose in this case it's more about presentation than inception...
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Captain Salt
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Aug 4 2012, 4:07pm
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If the end result
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Aug 4 2012, 8:25pm
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In any event, still excited to see how this all turns out and hoping for the best!
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Captain Salt
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Aug 4 2012, 4:19pm
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Been following this with interest and some amusement...
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dormouse
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Aug 4 2012, 11:22am
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True enough...unless I can't decide whether I like the film or not and develop Gollum/Smeagol-esque double personalities! ;) //
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Captain Salt
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Aug 4 2012, 3:58pm
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Nay, my dear Captain Salt. Peter is the adaptor
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AinurOlorin
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Aug 5 2012, 7:25am
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There's a part of me --
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SirDennisC
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Aug 3 2012, 2:44pm
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Yes, will certainly give them a chance!
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Captain Salt
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Aug 3 2012, 4:06pm
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Excellent article
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hasufel
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Aug 3 2012, 3:19pm
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The Film 1 Break and Bilbo's Arc
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Kassandros
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Aug 3 2012, 3:40pm
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Thank you !!
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peleowyn
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Aug 3 2012, 6:03pm
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Thank you
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Lindele
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Aug 3 2012, 7:58pm
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