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Trix are for kids?

Kdgard
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Oct 11 2007, 4:24am

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Trix are for kids? [In reply to]	Can't Post

Great discussion Maura. I'm curious, though. You said, "I think it will take a lot of love to retain the fantasy elements but not let them drag the piece into the children's camp...". I wonder, what exactly is "the children's camp" anymore? The lines have definitely become blurred. The Harry Potter books are considered to be "children's books" and yet the books and the movies have a huge adult following. Look at the monster success of movies like Spiderman, The X-men and Transformers. Also, movies from Pixar and Dreamworks, like Shrek, have humor in them which is clearly aimed at adults. While I can't think of any example off hand, I have found that in watching things like Bugs Bunny/Looney Tunes cartoons as an adult, I catch jokes that I didn't catch as a child because I now understand what some of the jokes were referencing. A lot of humor in "kid's stuff" is aimed way over their heads to the adults who are watching too.
Now, I agree with you that I wouldn't want to see a Hobbit movie where Sir Ian's Gandalf was played opposite to Kermit the Frog as Bilbo (no offense to Muppet Show fans---another example, by the way, of humor that is not wholly aimed at children), but we've all bought into elves, dwarves, hobbits, wizards, trolls, orcs, magic rings and dark lords (all of which my mom still refers to as "that weird stuff") as being in the realm of believability. Why is it then that the idea of talking animals seems so far out in Left Field and childish?
Some members have posted that the talking animals are essential to The Hobbit story. Not necessarily. In the book LOTR, every two seconds somebody seems to be breaking into song. Peter Jackson could have just as easily made a musical, but I don't think the omission of all the singing seriously harmed the movies. It might seem a shock to go from no animals speaking in LOTR to every animal speaking in The Hobbit, so Peter could choose to tone it down a little for continuity's sake. I don't think Mirkwood would seem any less perilous if the spiders don't talk, but the trolls and Smaug absolutely must! Personally, I would like to see the movie made as close to the book as possible, talking animals and all. The different tone of The Hobbit book from that of the LOTR books hasn't taken away from my enjoyment of it, and I think that would carry over into the movie as well. As I said earlier, it just depends on if the movie is well made. Thanks again for a great discussion!

Kdgard

Subject	User	Time
The Hobbit, the movie: will it be a fantasy epic or a children's film? Or both?	labingi_maura	Oct 7 2007, 7:21pm
Well....	Sunflower	Oct 7 2007, 9:53pm
Comic dwarves.	N.E. Brigand	Oct 7 2007, 10:10pm
a comment on Guillermo del Toro	elostirion74	Oct 11 2007, 10:09am
Thats the 300 Million Dollar Question	orcbane	Oct 7 2007, 10:37pm
Epic!	Compa_Mighty	Oct 8 2007, 2:22am
Have you read Tolkien's revision attempts in "The History of 'The Hobbit'"?	N.E. Brigand	Oct 8 2007, 2:32am
I'm still waiting for my edition...	Compa_Mighty	Oct 8 2007, 2:37am
Would changing the tone...	N.E. Brigand	Oct 8 2007, 3:34am
Oh boy.	Sunflower	Oct 8 2007, 6:15am
PS NE Brigand	Sunflower	Oct 8 2007, 6:23am
There's no story to "bring forward".	N.E. Brigand	Oct 8 2007, 4:27pm
The "childlike tone of The Hobbit"	Elizabeth	Oct 8 2007, 8:56am
I hope this post shows "right"...	Sunflower	Oct 8 2007, 11:44am
Semi-independent of the legendarium.	N.E. Brigand	Oct 8 2007, 4:43pm
transition is key	hasufel	Oct 8 2007, 3:01pm
Wow, exellent ideas and observations.	labingi_maura	Oct 8 2007, 4:37pm
I think that	Patty	Oct 8 2007, 4:51pm
Definitely, music is such a key factor	labingi_maura	Oct 8 2007, 5:32pm
And to continue my thoughts on seamlessness and continuity,...	labingi_maura	Oct 8 2007, 8:16pm
"Jackson.. will be judged on the entire body of Tolkien's work"	N.E. Brigand	Oct 8 2007, 4:46pm
apostrophe "s" added changes meaning	hasufel	Oct 8 2007, 7:02pm
D'oh!	N.E. Brigand	Oct 8 2007, 7:41pm
Ah, yes!	Darkstone	Oct 8 2007, 8:02pm
No right answer	hasufel	Oct 8 2007, 8:49pm
Hear, hear! n/t	Loresilme	Oct 15 2007, 3:53am
Well, I'm not sure what others mean.	Elizabeth	Oct 8 2007, 9:03pm
Sorry but I do have to ask...	Compa_Mighty	Oct 9 2007, 12:24am
Not so much a 'problem'	Elizabeth	Oct 9 2007, 8:57am
"thought that he had 'progressed'"	N.E. Brigand	Oct 8 2007, 4:19pm
Hobbit Movie	Cuinniel	Oct 8 2007, 6:10am
I'd like	Donry	Oct 8 2007, 6:16am
I find that a lot of the "childish" tone...	Silverlode	Oct 8 2007, 7:26am
Smaug's dialogue is great.	N.E. Brigand	Oct 8 2007, 5:03pm
It is.	Silverlode	Oct 8 2007, 7:16pm
TLTWTW	Darkstone	Oct 8 2007, 8:37pm
It worked well there, but...	Silverlode	Oct 9 2007, 1:37am
Well, I admit I have been dreading the thought...	Patty	Oct 9 2007, 2:30am
Whoopi Goldberg, of course!	squire	Oct 9 2007, 2:53am
Read my beak	orcbane	Oct 9 2007, 3:55am
If there are voices for the spiders and Smaug...	labingi_maura	Oct 9 2007, 4:27am
Voices, and SW Legacy	Sunflower	Oct 9 2007, 8:24am
Episode 3 was indeed great!	Compa_Mighty	Oct 9 2007, 9:56pm
Is Smaug so terrifying	Elizabeth	Oct 9 2007, 9:21am
So hard to choose which post to reply to...	Compa_Mighty	Oct 8 2007, 8:59pm
The Forum of Bable	orcbane	Oct 8 2007, 9:12pm
Clever that is!	orcbane	Oct 11 2007, 12:33am
I just wanted to say how much I am enjoying this thread!	MsC	Oct 10 2007, 2:13am
Me too...	labingi_maura	Oct 10 2007, 4:43am
"keeping it telepathic"	N.E. Brigand	Oct 10 2007, 4:54am
Oh, I was just referring to my own earlier posts	labingi_maura	Oct 10 2007, 5:43am
In for a penny	orcbane	Oct 10 2007, 1:02pm
in agreement	hasufel	Oct 10 2007, 3:01pm
Exactly.	Patty	Oct 19 2007, 2:18am
I understand that	Sunflower	Oct 19 2007, 5:45am
Great.	Sunflower	Oct 19 2007, 6:09am
Editing is limited...	N.E. Brigand	Oct 19 2007, 6:32am
Wow, Brigand....	Sunflower	Oct 19 2007, 8:05am
I think this is a response to my post?	N.E. Brigand	Oct 19 2007, 6:25am
One last thing	Sunflower	Oct 19 2007, 8:33am
Thanks.	N.E. Brigand	Oct 19 2007, 2:22pm
Meaning...?	Sunflower	Oct 20 2007, 6:56am
PJ's LOTR	labingi_maura	Oct 20 2007, 8:48am
Regarding Neo-Sindarin.	N.E. Brigand	Oct 20 2007, 3:23pm
Regarding my ignorance.	N.E. Brigand	Oct 20 2007, 4:02pm
Regarding (slightly) pointy ears	labingi_maura	Oct 20 2007, 7:58pm
Yes, in the 1930s...	N.E. Brigand	Oct 20 2007, 8:10pm
Here's the transcript from elvish.org	FarFromHome	Oct 21 2007, 8:01am
Can there be one-way telepathy?	Elizabeth	Oct 10 2007, 9:05pm
I feel the same way	Loresilme	Oct 15 2007, 3:57am
Oh boy.	Sunflower	Oct 15 2007, 9:34am
Remember...	N.E. Brigand	Oct 15 2007, 2:40pm
The Cave Troll and the Trush	Kdgard	Oct 10 2007, 6:43pm
well welcome to you, too!	weaver	Oct 10 2007, 8:03pm
Thank you Weaver!	Kdgard	Oct 10 2007, 10:49pm
Hello to you, Kdgard	labingi_maura	Oct 11 2007, 12:10am
Trix are for kids?	Kdgard	Oct 11 2007, 4:24am
Wow. It feels like 2001 again.	Sunflower	Oct 11 2007, 6:39am
Everything old is new again!	Kdgard	Oct 12 2007, 12:01am
Ai! Ai! The Balrog debate is come!	Silverlode	Oct 12 2007, 2:28am
Most exaulted waste! a Balroggg...	orcbane	Oct 12 2007, 2:48am
Great information!	Kdgard	Oct 12 2007, 4:39am
Take your gulp right now.	Patty	Oct 12 2007, 5:00am
So. Should the Thrush talk or not?	Sunflower	Oct 12 2007, 9:01am
STOP THE PRESSES!	Sunflower	Oct 12 2007, 9:28am
make it virtual...	Patty	Oct 12 2007, 8:27pm
If you enjoyed the Drinking Game....	Silverlode	Oct 12 2007, 7:16pm
Glug!	Silverlode	Oct 12 2007, 7:19pm
We use any excuse for a drinkee, I'm thinking!	Patty	Oct 13 2007, 3:10am
My all-time favorite take on this argument	Elizabeth	Oct 12 2007, 8:55am
Kiddie-movie vs epic fantasy	labingi_maura	Oct 11 2007, 5:28pm
About Children vs Epic	Compa_Mighty	Oct 13 2007, 2:06am
CM's most recent points	labingi_maura	Oct 13 2007, 4:31am
Wait... no cockney Trolls?	squire	Oct 13 2007, 4:57am
Not Gwaihir.	N.E. Brigand	Oct 13 2007, 5:30am
Riddles in the Dark, Goblins, Trolls and Smaug	Compa_Mighty	Oct 13 2007, 6:26am
Concerning the Trolls	Earl	Oct 13 2007, 7:32am
On trolls and goblins (mostly)	labingi_maura	Oct 13 2007, 8:15pm
A compromise for you.	Kdgard	Oct 14 2007, 1:12am
Kd's compromise	labingi_maura	Oct 14 2007, 5:15am
"clearly mental telepathy"	N.E. Brigand	Oct 15 2007, 2:18am
The subtleness of Galadriel	Kdgard	Oct 15 2007, 3:30am
What are the Uruk-hai then?	Kdgard	Oct 14 2007, 12:40am
Orcs and goblins	Compa_Mighty	Oct 14 2007, 1:07am
continuing on my welcome wagon rounds...	weaver	Oct 10 2007, 8:07pm
light	_V_	Oct 15 2007, 3:07pm
Blush	Sunflower	Oct 16 2007, 9:46am
No worries.	N.E. Brigand	Oct 16 2007, 5:52pm
Sorry	Sunflower	Oct 17 2007, 4:20am
Unfinished Tales...	N.E. Brigand	Oct 17 2007, 4:28am
material usable for "the segue" movie	labingi_maura	Oct 17 2007, 5:46am
Only "The Hobbit" and LotR.	N.E. Brigand	Oct 17 2007, 5:23pm
Speculation	Compa_Mighty	Oct 17 2007, 7:54pm
I think at this point we're ALL reading between the lines:)	Sunflower	Oct 18 2007, 11:31am
unknown territory	hasufel	Oct 18 2007, 3:12pm
Well	Darkstone	Oct 18 2007, 3:41pm
understood	hasufel	Oct 18 2007, 4:14pm
"Art or Cash".	N.E. Brigand	Oct 18 2007, 4:14pm
on the Tolkien Estate	labingi_maura	Oct 18 2007, 4:51pm
Christopher is too stubborn about it...	Compa_Mighty	Oct 18 2007, 9:23pm
Main site	Compa_Mighty	Oct 18 2007, 10:34pm
Exactly my point..	labingi_maura	Oct 18 2007, 11:15pm
I hope we are!	Compa_Mighty	Oct 19 2007, 1:54am
Maybe...	N.E. Brigand	Oct 19 2007, 1:16am

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