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Great questions!

Owain
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Apr 26 2012, 2:54am


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I have been trained by RED Digital Cinema to use the RED Epic.

Later this year, I hope to own one... working on it.

Resolution is key, as is bit depth, the wavelet compression that RED RAW files use, how REDCODE RAW files look coming directly out of the camera vs. film etc. etc.

It is true that at these higher resolutions and bit depths the camera can be more unforgiving. But the information that is being captured does allow for manipulation in post that film could never touch. The higher frame rates are providing realistic motion without blurring.

As an editor by trade, I have seen first hand the RAW files that come from the RED camera are they are incredible... so much so that I believe, they (RED) have single handedly revolutionized the world of cinema. They were the first and are arguably the best in D-Cinema.

Peter Jackson is shooting 5K resolution, 16 bit RAW .r3d files (bit depth supplies a massive amount of information for detail) at 5:1 compression at 48fps and higher.

He is oversampling or getting way more information than he needs from his RED Epics.

The reason... the widest latitude possible in post.

When you shoot with a RED camera the RAW data (if properly exposed) actually looks flat. This is purposeful. The key is to properly expose. The RED camera is incredible in low light. The deep dark areas retain all of the detail even with limited to no lighting. This is something film was never really that great at. It is the highlights that DPs have to be careful with.

When taken into the Pablo finishing software, the amount of detail provided by those RED RAW (.r3d files) is virtually limitless.

From my knowledge of the camera and post workflow, I am going to go out on a limb and say that the content at CinemaCon was not meant to give people an accurate view of the final rendering, but to get them used to the idea of the 48fps - strictly from a motion standpoint.

It will be different than what people are used to seeing. It will be better than the fake higher frame rates that tv's offer. Why? Put simply TVs interpolate or create frames that never existed. They are constructed from algorithms that give you the idea but not the real effect. The frames that will be projected for The Hobbit were actually captured by the cameras and will be projected without any interpolation.

So why the negative reactions?

In my opinion:

A. Human nature likes gradual instead of major/abrupt change
B. People had a set of specific expectations going into the screening
C. Ultimately what they saw was not the finished product

I think that PJ is going for something beyond film and beyond TV.

This will be something that, truly, we have not seen before.

And that is polarizing to be sure. I find it exciting.

It remains to be seen whether audiences will buy into the idea or not.

I have high hopes for it.

Smile

Middle Earth is New Zealand!

"Question everything, embrace the bad, and hold on to the good."

(This post was edited by Owain on Apr 26 2012, 3:00am)

Subject User Time
4K Resolution Shelob'sAppetite Send a private message to Shelob'sAppetite Apr 26 2012, 2:27am
    My thoughts duats Send a private message to duats Apr 26 2012, 2:32am
        Makes sense Shelob'sAppetite Send a private message to Shelob'sAppetite Apr 26 2012, 2:35am
    Great questions! Owain Send a private message to Owain Apr 26 2012, 2:54am
        So maybe you can answer a question I have.... Silverlode Send a private message to Silverlode Apr 26 2012, 3:15am
            More great questions. Owain Send a private message to Owain Apr 26 2012, 3:29am
                I saw the 3D trailer before Tintin also. Silverlode Send a private message to Silverlode Apr 26 2012, 3:39am
                    A very significant difference. Owain Send a private message to Owain Apr 26 2012, 3:43am
                        Owain Buchanicus Send a private message to Buchanicus Apr 26 2012, 4:04am
                            Hey thanks Buchanicus... Owain Send a private message to Owain Apr 26 2012, 4:27am
                                Just seconding everyone's thoughts. Your posts are more insightful... Compa_Mighty Send a private message to Compa_Mighty Apr 26 2012, 6:06am
                        This brighter business Shelob'sAppetite Send a private message to Shelob'sAppetite Apr 26 2012, 4:42am
                            Oversampling is the key Owain Send a private message to Owain Apr 26 2012, 4:58am
                            The beauty of the REDCODE RAW... Owain Send a private message to Owain Apr 26 2012, 5:02am
                                RED Night Wolf Apr 26 2012, 6:19am
                    In an ideal world... Owain Send a private message to Owain Apr 26 2012, 4:26am
        RED Compensation JWPlatt Apr 26 2012, 3:24am
            It's not really a limitation of the camera... it's more about workflow. Owain Send a private message to Owain Apr 26 2012, 3:34am
                Specific Look JWPlatt Apr 26 2012, 9:06pm
                    It's just like with any other raw image Finrod Send a private message to Finrod Apr 26 2012, 9:18pm
                        Pop JWPlatt Apr 26 2012, 9:32pm
                            flat does not mean without color Chopsta123 Send a private message to Chopsta123 Apr 26 2012, 10:24pm
                                sorry Chopsta123 Send a private message to Chopsta123 Apr 27 2012, 7:02am
                                    Agreed. Owain Send a private message to Owain Apr 27 2012, 1:59pm
                                        :) Chopsta123 Send a private message to Chopsta123 Apr 27 2012, 5:24pm
        Qwain Steven Van der Berg Send a private message to Steven Van der Berg Apr 26 2012, 11:33am
            Here is a link from Douglas Trumbull... a legend in the industry... Owain Send a private message to Owain Apr 26 2012, 2:44pm
            Yes... Owain Send a private message to Owain Apr 26 2012, 2:45pm
        Very interesting and informative, for someone who "knows nothing"... jschomburg Send a private message to jschomburg Apr 26 2012, 1:06pm
        THIS is marvelous! DarkJackal Send a private message to DarkJackal Apr 26 2012, 2:21pm
    color correction is everything these days There&ThereAgain Send a private message to There&ThereAgain Apr 27 2012, 1:32am

 
 
 

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