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I'm sorry if that sounded rude, Veronwe,

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Feb 9 2012, 11:24pm


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I'm sorry if that sounded rude, Veronwe, [In reply to] Can't Post
but it wasn't meant to be. It was supposed to show that I understood if non Brits couldn't distinguish the different accents and so wouldn't be concerned about it the same way as I am.

We have hundreds of accents in Britain - they can change dramatically every 10 miles. You only have to check out comments on the net to see that most people don't recognise them. For instance, I can clearly hear JRD using his own native Welsh accent for a good part of LotR and that this suddenly changes to a Scottish accent. Most people think he speaks with a Scottish accent all the way through. There are already several comments on this thread saying they assumed that ALL dwarves would speak with a Scottish accent when they cast TH because of Gimli. Why not a Welsh one? It's because they just can't distinguish the difference.

Another example is Sam in LotR. I think he did quite a good job of doing an English "country" accent and yet I've seen a load of comments where people think he is speaking with an Irish accent. Sean Bean speaks with his own Yorkshire accent but it is a Sheffield-style Yorkshire accent as opposed to Richard Armitage's Yorkshire accent (when he chooses to do it) which is more Leeds/North Yorkshire because that is where his father comes from. I've seen comments where people say that RA is imitating SB because they can't tell the difference and also other comments assuming that SB has an Irish accent because it's not your standard English one.

There have been lots of arguments on YT as people listen to the song in the trailer over whether or not the dwarves are saying "moaning" or "mourning". From the text, we know it is "moaning" but I can understand the confusion because they all appear to be singing with a northern English accent where the vowels are elongated. The word could definitely pass for "mourning" if you aren't alert to an accent. This song implies to me that a lot of the dwarves will adopt a Yorkshire accent while others will speak with other accents because they have been "recruited" from all over. This means that PJ can get the actors he wants without the struggle of trying to eliminate an accent - unless it's a Kiwi one, of course, LOL.

Billy has a very strong Scottish accent - and a Glaswegian one at that. (The Scots also have a whole range of accents, not an all-purpose one.) James Nesbitt, similarly, doesn't just have an Irish accent but a strong one from Northern Ireland. Their native accents are the only accents that I've ever heard them do (unlike Aidan Turner who has a softer southern Irish accent and can sound quite English when he wants to) and so I'm assuming that it would be difficult for them to change to any other. Sending Thorin on a recruitment drive for his quest would explain the different accents and some of the clothes that they're wearing. But I'll be interested to see if Fili and Kili have the same accents as their uncle - and even if they have the same accents as each other. If they don't, then PJ will be worse than you think I am - just assuming that no-one will notice the difference or even care.

And, although I know that we may be offered an explanation (or maybe not - PJ did nothing to explain Pippin's Scottish accent in the middle of the Shire) I will still return to my original point: there are so many English accents to play around with, it's a pity that PJ didn't stick to these for an English mythology.

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Billy Connolly is DAIN Eldaria Send a private message to Eldaria Feb 8 2012, 11:42pm
    FINALLY duats Send a private message to duats Feb 8 2012, 11:46pm
    Good find and thanks! Rostron2 Send a private message to Rostron2 Feb 8 2012, 11:47pm
    Great choice of actor! Gorbag Send a private message to Gorbag Feb 8 2012, 11:48pm
        Billy should KICK sum Serious ORC ASS! Bombadil Send a private message to Bombadil Feb 9 2012, 12:06am
    That's great news! Ataahua Send a private message to Ataahua Feb 8 2012, 11:58pm
        Yep. And a guy who always makes me double down with laughter. Maiarmike Send a private message to Maiarmike Feb 9 2012, 12:40am
    WOOHOO!!!! Perfect!!! :D :D absolutely brilliant!! :) Xanaseb Send a private message to Xanaseb Feb 9 2012, 12:03am
    Excellent news. I was hoping he would make it in as one... Owain Send a private message to Owain Feb 9 2012, 12:10am
    "the staunchest and toughest of dwarves".....nice! Xanaseb Send a private message to Xanaseb Feb 9 2012, 12:12am
        Merciful.??? Thorins_apprentice Send a private message to Thorins_apprentice Feb 9 2012, 6:15am
        I love Billy Connolly. ShireHorse Send a private message to ShireHorse Feb 9 2012, 10:56am
            Agreed 100% Shelob'sAppetite Send a private message to Shelob'sAppetite Feb 9 2012, 3:16pm
                Like you can hear them speak in the book...? painjoiker Send a private message to painjoiker Feb 9 2012, 3:26pm
                    Yes, I CAN hear them when they speak in the book ShireHorse Send a private message to ShireHorse Feb 9 2012, 4:41pm
                        Tolkien's ambivalent relationship with Celtic mythology burrahobbit Send a private message to burrahobbit Feb 10 2012, 12:20am
                            Yes, I know I sound a little extreme, burrahobbit, ShireHorse Send a private message to ShireHorse Feb 10 2012, 12:00pm
                                He can also act persuasive. Thorins_apprentice Send a private message to Thorins_apprentice Feb 10 2012, 12:48pm
                                    For those who want the full movie from part 1. Thorins_apprentice Send a private message to Thorins_apprentice Feb 10 2012, 1:04pm
                                        It;s really cool How. Thorins_apprentice Send a private message to Thorins_apprentice Feb 10 2012, 1:22pm
                                I like the elves- ancient Britain's connection idea, but... burrahobbit Send a private message to burrahobbit Feb 10 2012, 7:40pm
                                    Fair enough, burrahobbit, LOL! ShireHorse Send a private message to ShireHorse Feb 10 2012, 8:51pm
                                        Very different experiences DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Feb 10 2012, 9:04pm
                                            I didn't say the Finns weren't friendly - ShireHorse Send a private message to ShireHorse Feb 10 2012, 10:12pm
                                                Yes I can imagine DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Feb 10 2012, 10:24pm
                                                    My favourite Finnish words are Paksu and Valkotukka// geordie Send a private message to geordie Feb 10 2012, 10:30pm
                                                Sounds like you've been on some wonderful trips burrahobbit Send a private message to burrahobbit Feb 10 2012, 10:50pm
                                                    I reckon the blood of the Norseman ShireHorse Send a private message to ShireHorse Feb 10 2012, 11:17pm
                                                        I'm exactly the same DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Feb 10 2012, 11:21pm
                                                Finnish is related to Estonian and, strangely enough, Hungarian zarabia Send a private message to zarabia Feb 11 2012, 3:18am
                                Tolkien geordie Send a private message to geordie Feb 10 2012, 10:29pm
                                    OK, Geordie, I'll rephrase that. ShireHorse Send a private message to ShireHorse Feb 10 2012, 10:39pm
                                        Heh geordie Send a private message to geordie Feb 10 2012, 10:57pm
                                            Paksu and Valkotukka are the other way round DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Feb 10 2012, 11:02pm
                                                I think you're probably right. geordie Send a private message to geordie Feb 10 2012, 11:10pm
                                            Me and my mates, geordie, ShireHorse Send a private message to ShireHorse Feb 10 2012, 11:28pm
                                                You remember bookshops? geordie Send a private message to geordie Feb 10 2012, 11:38pm
                                                    You don't remember good manners? ShireHorse Send a private message to ShireHorse Feb 11 2012, 12:02am
                                                        I was making a joke geordie Send a private message to geordie Feb 11 2012, 12:10am
                                                            It's OK, geordie, ShireHorse Send a private message to ShireHorse Feb 11 2012, 1:04am
                                                                I figure you only have me beat by a year or two Magpie Send a private message to Magpie Feb 11 2012, 2:56am
                                                                    Spot on, Magpie. ShireHorse Send a private message to ShireHorse Feb 11 2012, 6:39pm
                                                                        Are you sure about that? geordie Send a private message to geordie Feb 11 2012, 7:05pm
                                                                            I tried to work out when I read it, geordie, ShireHorse Send a private message to ShireHorse Feb 11 2012, 7:55pm
                                                                                Who is this WE of whom you speak? PattyJB Send a private message to PattyJB Feb 11 2012, 8:51pm
                                                                                    No, not trying to negate, Patty. ShireHorse Send a private message to ShireHorse Feb 11 2012, 9:19pm
                                                                                        Hold you (Shire) horses, lots of bodies on this thread! Lissuin Send a private message to Lissuin Feb 11 2012, 10:06pm
                                                                                            Thanks, Lissuin, that was very kind of you. ShireHorse Send a private message to ShireHorse Feb 11 2012, 10:58pm
                                                                                                Very good post - geordie Send a private message to geordie Feb 12 2012, 8:45am
                                                                                                    Yes, that happens too. Silverlode Send a private message to Silverlode Feb 12 2012, 10:04am
                                                                                                        Agreed, on all counts.// geordie Send a private message to geordie Feb 12 2012, 10:32am
                                                                                                        Mods way up! entmaiden Send a private message to entmaiden Feb 12 2012, 2:34pm
                                                                                                        #10 Magpie Send a private message to Magpie Feb 12 2012, 4:00pm
                                                                                                        And mods up again! dernwyn Send a private message to dernwyn Feb 12 2012, 8:22pm
                                                                                                        Thanks for the 12 Years of Wisdom, Silverlode. Lissuin Send a private message to Lissuin Feb 12 2012, 9:14pm
                                                                                                        *mods up with a broad smile* As always, Silverlode grammaboodawg Send a private message to grammaboodawg Feb 15 2012, 5:55pm
                                                                                                        *bows deeply* Wonderful :) // grammaboodawg Send a private message to grammaboodawg Mar 25 2012, 11:27pm
                                                                                    Legolas pre-Bloom Magpie Send a private message to Magpie Feb 11 2012, 11:53pm
                                                                                Just before we drop off the page.. geordie Send a private message to geordie Feb 11 2012, 9:33pm
                                                                        I had the opposite reaction Magpie Send a private message to Magpie Feb 12 2012, 12:10am
                                                                            The Road Goes Ever On geordie Send a private message to geordie Feb 12 2012, 8:14am
                                                                                *sigh*... Magpie Send a private message to Magpie Feb 12 2012, 3:55pm
                                                My feeling is that relatively few people read LotR because of the films squire Send a private message to squire Feb 11 2012, 1:38am
                                                    All the same duats Send a private message to duats Feb 11 2012, 2:12am
                                                    Actually.. Longbottom Leaf Send a private message to Longbottom Leaf Feb 11 2012, 2:43am
                                                    I've no concrete statistics ShireHorse Send a private message to ShireHorse Feb 11 2012, 6:17pm
                                                    It seems difficult to imagine that it isn't several million. Lacrimae Rerum Send a private message to Lacrimae Rerum Feb 11 2012, 7:06pm
                                                        Thanks for that geordie Send a private message to geordie Feb 11 2012, 7:19pm
                                                            I think I would be a little cautious Lacrimae Rerum Send a private message to Lacrimae Rerum Feb 11 2012, 8:53pm
                                                                I can't answer your first question geordie Send a private message to geordie Feb 11 2012, 9:24pm
                                                                    Maybe we are saying the same thing.. Lacrimae Rerum Send a private message to Lacrimae Rerum Feb 11 2012, 9:48pm
                                                                        I hadn't heard the terms geordie Send a private message to geordie Feb 11 2012, 9:59pm
                                                                            Ha - I don't use them either! Lacrimae Rerum Send a private message to Lacrimae Rerum Feb 11 2012, 10:26pm
                                                                                Shouldn't have thought so... geordie Send a private message to geordie Feb 11 2012, 10:28pm
                                                                                    Of titles and terms and TORNisms.... Silverlode Send a private message to Silverlode Feb 11 2012, 11:48pm
                                I'm not so sure Shelob'sAppetite Send a private message to Shelob'sAppetite Feb 11 2012, 3:38am
                                    I've had similar thoughts, ShelobsAppetite, ShireHorse Send a private message to ShireHorse Feb 11 2012, 6:26pm
                Could we have a litle bit of Margins...in your Posts? Bombadil Send a private message to Bombadil Feb 9 2012, 3:34pm
                    BomBADASS, good one xD painjoiker Send a private message to painjoiker Feb 9 2012, 5:16pm
            Not all Brits will mind... dormouse Send a private message to dormouse Feb 9 2012, 4:48pm
                "Not all Brits will mind...." ShireHorse Send a private message to ShireHorse Feb 9 2012, 5:19pm
                    Oh no, sorry... dormouse Send a private message to dormouse Feb 9 2012, 6:46pm
                        Hmmm marillaraina Send a private message to marillaraina Feb 9 2012, 7:25pm
                        Sorry to bang on about it ShireHorse Send a private message to ShireHorse Feb 9 2012, 7:42pm
                            OK - understood and you're right... dormouse Send a private message to dormouse Feb 9 2012, 7:47pm
                            Wow, you have a low opinion of people outside of Britain! Voronwë_the_Faithful Send a private message to Voronwë_the_Faithful Feb 9 2012, 10:24pm
                                I'm sorry if that sounded rude, Veronwe, ShireHorse Send a private message to ShireHorse Feb 9 2012, 11:24pm
                                    Why is it so difficult Voronwë_the_Faithful Send a private message to Voronwë_the_Faithful Feb 10 2012, 1:41am
                                        Sorry, Voronwe, again! ShireHorse Send a private message to ShireHorse Feb 10 2012, 11:41am
    Holy COW! I believe I predicted that way back when... Maiarmike Send a private message to Maiarmike Feb 9 2012, 12:13am
        Haha! Found my quote... Maiarmike Send a private message to Maiarmike Feb 9 2012, 12:45am
            I knew I'd read his name in connection to the role SOMEWHERE....// Milknut Send a private message to Milknut Feb 9 2012, 5:54am
        way back carrioncrow Send a private message to carrioncrow Feb 10 2012, 12:06am
    "The cast of The Hobbit is now complete." duats Send a private message to duats Feb 9 2012, 12:26am
        I predict that our Huge Cast will V.O......... these Characters. Bombadil Send a private message to Bombadil Feb 9 2012, 12:33am
        Long rumored' finally confirmed! Otaku-sempai Send a private message to Otaku-sempai Feb 9 2012, 1:36am
            Fair enough duats Send a private message to duats Feb 9 2012, 1:44am
                Bill Connely photoshop.As Dain.??? Thorins_apprentice Send a private message to Thorins_apprentice Feb 9 2012, 1:50am
                    No need Shelob'sAppetite Send a private message to Shelob'sAppetite Feb 9 2012, 3:12am
                        LOL! Maiarmike Send a private message to Maiarmike Feb 9 2012, 3:56am
                        My doctor sent me a clip of his standup about colonoscopy prep before I had mine Voronwë_the_Faithful Send a private message to Voronwë_the_Faithful Feb 9 2012, 4:23am
                            Wow... reags Send a private message to reags Feb 9 2012, 4:38am
                                I had assumed all the dwarves would have Scottish accents. Gwytha Send a private message to Gwytha Feb 9 2012, 5:12am
                                    Why would the Dwarves have Scottish accents? Moahunter Send a private message to Moahunter Feb 9 2012, 7:47am
                                        Because JRD used a Scottish accent for Gimli? Silverlode Send a private message to Silverlode Feb 9 2012, 10:22am
                            He was in Mrs Brown... that wasn't comedic. // Magpie Send a private message to Magpie Feb 9 2012, 5:42am
                                Perhaps Pj will give us a promo shot of DAIN IRONFOOT>! Thorins_apprentice Send a private message to Thorins_apprentice Feb 9 2012, 5:53am
                                He really made it as a serious actor Greenwood Hobbit Send a private message to Greenwood Hobbit Feb 9 2012, 11:40pm
                            Yes he can Shelob'sAppetite Send a private message to Shelob'sAppetite Feb 9 2012, 6:20am
                                Good to know Voronwë_the_Faithful Send a private message to Voronwë_the_Faithful Feb 9 2012, 2:57pm
                            He did straight well enough in the Last Samurai SirDennisC Send a private message to SirDennisC Feb 9 2012, 6:26am
        and Bolg... Xanaseb Send a private message to Xanaseb Feb 9 2012, 11:45am
    nice! acheron Send a private message to acheron Feb 9 2012, 12:42am
    Great news!! flowww Send a private message to flowww Feb 9 2012, 12:52am
        Nice Lost Hobbit Send a private message to Lost Hobbit Feb 9 2012, 1:01am
    OMG YESSSSSSSSS!!!!!! Ermanatar Send a private message to Ermanatar Feb 9 2012, 12:59am
    Superb choice Spencissimus Send a private message to Spencissimus Feb 9 2012, 1:08am
    I have a new respect for the actor/Comedian now.xo Thorins_apprentice Send a private message to Thorins_apprentice Feb 9 2012, 1:21am
        Agreed redgiraffe Send a private message to redgiraffe Feb 9 2012, 3:07am
            Everyone seems to be forgetting WrathOfCaradhras Send a private message to WrathOfCaradhras Feb 9 2012, 3:11am
        sarahb1863 is a pro at photoshop. Lissuin Send a private message to Lissuin Feb 9 2012, 7:12am
    This just keeps getting better and better :D // grammaboodawg Send a private message to grammaboodawg Feb 9 2012, 1:28am
    THIS.... smokerings Send a private message to smokerings Feb 9 2012, 1:29am
    I'm delighted that they have cast Dain. RosieLass Send a private message to RosieLass Feb 9 2012, 2:01am
        Try the boondock saints for some bad ass connelly // LordMaximus Send a private message to LordMaximus Feb 9 2012, 2:48am
        He can also do serious Shelob'sAppetite Send a private message to Shelob'sAppetite Feb 9 2012, 3:20am
            I'll have to look at some of his serious stuff. RosieLass Send a private message to RosieLass Feb 9 2012, 4:08pm
        If you are interested check out... Owain Send a private message to Owain Feb 9 2012, 11:51pm
    Cool! Captain Salt Send a private message to Captain Salt Feb 9 2012, 2:41am
        ah but... carrioncrow Send a private message to carrioncrow Feb 10 2012, 12:08am
    Good choice, if it couldn't be Patty Send a private message to Patty Feb 9 2012, 2:55am
    I wasn't sure at first alienorchid Send a private message to alienorchid Feb 9 2012, 3:23am
    He's 69. Richard Armitage is 40. N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Feb 9 2012, 3:45am
        Age ..... mulubinba Send a private message to mulubinba Feb 9 2012, 9:11am
    Yay! I love Billy Connelly; he's an excellent actor, both comedic and dramatic.// zarabia Send a private message to zarabia Feb 9 2012, 5:33am
    FINALLY! maut Send a private message to maut Feb 9 2012, 6:19am
    Billy Connolly IS Dain!// Lissuin Send a private message to Lissuin Feb 9 2012, 6:24am
    Dain.Should look a bit more like a Pirate Dwarf.! Thorins_apprentice Send a private message to Thorins_apprentice Feb 9 2012, 6:46am
        Here is a photo of a Dwarf with an EYe Patch. Thorins_apprentice Send a private message to Thorins_apprentice Feb 9 2012, 10:14am
    haha triptrap Send a private message to triptrap Feb 9 2012, 8:04am
    Awesome!!!!!! Nesse Send a private message to Nesse Feb 9 2012, 8:13am
        excuse me one moment Wandering Ranger Send a private message to Wandering Ranger Feb 9 2012, 8:35am
    Surprising Alientraveller Send a private message to Alientraveller Feb 9 2012, 8:44am
    I'm very very excited about this cast! malickfan Send a private message to malickfan Feb 9 2012, 9:20am
    I don't like this news... QuackingTroll Send a private message to QuackingTroll Feb 9 2012, 9:43am
        He's a very good actor... Spencissimus Send a private message to Spencissimus Feb 9 2012, 10:06am
        I (did) agree DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Feb 9 2012, 10:50am
            Dain was one character I really didn't want to be funny... QuackingTroll Send a private message to QuackingTroll Feb 9 2012, 6:24pm
                "Looks to me like dwarves in general are just going to be a joke" Spencissimus Send a private message to Spencissimus Feb 9 2012, 9:31pm
                    Well I'm worried by this quote... QuackingTroll Send a private message to QuackingTroll Feb 10 2012, 10:50am
                        With the casting of Richie armitage,It goes without saying, Thorins_apprentice Send a private message to Thorins_apprentice Feb 10 2012, 11:08am
                        It's always seemed to me.... Silverlode Send a private message to Silverlode Feb 10 2012, 9:02pm
        Watch Shelob'sAppetite Send a private message to Shelob'sAppetite Feb 9 2012, 3:13pm
            Thanks for the suggestions. I'll get on them right away! // QuackingTroll Send a private message to QuackingTroll Feb 9 2012, 6:21pm
        The Hobbit Pantomime burrahobbit Send a private message to burrahobbit Feb 10 2012, 12:39am
            yes,true but i'm sure Thorins_apprentice Send a private message to Thorins_apprentice Feb 10 2012, 1:53am
                John Rhys-Davies isn't American duats Send a private message to duats Feb 10 2012, 3:15am
                FWIW, that 'unknown actor' is Craig Parker Ataahua Send a private message to Ataahua Feb 10 2012, 3:21am
                    be still my heart Magpie Send a private message to Magpie Feb 10 2012, 4:56am
                        Haha, that made me laugh too! DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Feb 10 2012, 8:34am
            Hmmm, I see your point. Rostron2 Send a private message to Rostron2 Feb 11 2012, 12:11am
    Brilliant!// Nightingale Send a private message to Nightingale Feb 9 2012, 10:33am
    Boondock Ironfoot Turnip Head Send a private message to Turnip Head Feb 9 2012, 11:37am
    Can't say I know much about him... Macfeast Send a private message to Macfeast Feb 9 2012, 11:49am
    Uh oh! 5:34 Xanaseb Send a private message to Xanaseb Feb 9 2012, 12:13pm
        Hmmmm. Yes. Lissuin Send a private message to Lissuin Feb 9 2012, 10:06pm
    Delighted Flagg Send a private message to Flagg Feb 9 2012, 12:31pm
    photo manipulation Chopsta123 Send a private message to Chopsta123 Feb 9 2012, 3:25pm
        Very nice!// Lissuin Send a private message to Lissuin Feb 9 2012, 10:10pm
    Well... Marionette Send a private message to Marionette Feb 9 2012, 7:21pm
    indeed this is great news sinister71 Send a private message to sinister71 Feb 9 2012, 8:34pm
        I was thinking duats Send a private message to duats Feb 9 2012, 8:51pm
        Doesn't necessarily mean there won't be any other casting news. Carne Send a private message to Carne Feb 9 2012, 8:54pm
    Great choice!! One of my favorite scotish actors. Mithrandír Send a private message to Mithrandír Feb 9 2012, 9:35pm
    For anyone in the UK DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Feb 10 2012, 9:09pm
        A Series of Unfortunate Events DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Feb 11 2012, 3:54pm

 
 
 

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