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sador
Half-elven
Jan 22 2012, 5:51pm
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Tolkien himself, in The Quest of Erebor, says that "pride and greed" got the better of Thorin in the end. We might interpret this as a retrospective oversimplification by Gandalf, I find it hard to think that he does not state the professor's own judgment. It often happens, in works of art, that a character is written too well for the intentions of the author. I think that if we read the book without the presumption that Bilbo must always have been in the right, or if we bother to try and sympathise with Thorin, we can get to your way of reading; but Tolkien didn't. Actually, as an excersize - try reading The Fellowship of the Ring without religiously beleiving that whatever Gandalf says is right, and you'll be surprised how much Boromir's character will be improved - how his objections to both Moria and Lorien are fully justified, and that his last going over the edge was a case of despair. But the fact still remains, that like Boromir, most of Thorin's actions are interpreted in an unfavourable light; and they were seen so by the professor himself. Perhaps apart of their deaths - and while I am not a great fan of deathbed redemptions, there is much to compare the two; and in an odd way, I could somehow say that their deaths saved their people. But that is a matter for a different discussion.
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plot hole?
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Mr. Arkenstone (isaac)
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Jan 21 2012, 3:41pm
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My guess is because it's a suicide mission...
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QuackingTroll
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Jan 21 2012, 3:46pm
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good one on the first
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Mr. Arkenstone (isaac)
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Jan 21 2012, 3:50pm
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It might have been the folly of greed
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SirDennisC
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Jan 21 2012, 3:53pm
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good one too
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Mr. Arkenstone (isaac)
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Jan 21 2012, 3:57pm
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That was my thought
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DanielLB
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Jan 21 2012, 3:57pm
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Huh?
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sador
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Jan 22 2012, 5:33pm
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Fair enough
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SirDennisC
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Jan 22 2012, 10:09pm
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Makes no sense.
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Elizabeth
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Jan 21 2012, 6:55pm
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Well Elizabeth, historically and traditionally, Dwarves had fought well against Dragons in battle.
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Xanaseb
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Jan 21 2012, 9:32pm
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Hmmm...
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sueb1863
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Jan 21 2012, 7:14pm
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I thought it was made clear
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ShireHorse
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Jan 21 2012, 8:51pm
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Precisely. yeah, I agree completely with you there.
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Xanaseb
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Jan 21 2012, 9:37pm
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Re lust or greed
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SirDennisC
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Jan 21 2012, 10:04pm
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I think you're right...
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dormouse
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Jan 21 2012, 11:20pm
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But the important part of that line
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Jan 21 2012, 11:32pm
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not sure I agree with you about Lewis
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titanium_hobbit
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Jan 22 2012, 1:56am
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I'm not bashing
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Jan 22 2012, 8:00am
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o.O
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SirDennisC
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Jan 22 2012, 2:13am
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I'm not so sure
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Jan 22 2012, 7:53am
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Dragon-sickness and the bewilderment of gold.
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geordie
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Jan 22 2012, 11:15am
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Perhaps
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SirDennisC
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Jan 22 2012, 10:27pm
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Three relevant quotes:
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sador
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Jan 23 2012, 8:15am
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Those are 3 important quotes, sador,
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ShireHorse
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Jan 23 2012, 5:13pm
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Yes, I agree, though this line
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SirDennisC
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Jan 23 2012, 7:23pm
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thank you too Sir Dennis C and the rest
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Mr. Arkenstone (isaac)
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Jan 23 2012, 10:03pm
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I once made
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Hamfast Gamgee
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Jan 24 2012, 8:46am
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Yes! But a bit is missing
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sador
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Jan 24 2012, 8:51am
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i feel that could replace the presence of TORN
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Mr. Arkenstone (isaac)
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Jan 24 2012, 4:18pm
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No, I don't think so...
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dormouse
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Jan 22 2012, 8:53am
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Actually, I do think of Thorin
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ShireHorse
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Jan 22 2012, 2:19pm
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Well, yes, it's a good point...
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dormouse
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Jan 22 2012, 3:53pm
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Thorin did.
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sador
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Jan 22 2012, 5:20pm
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the problem of choose
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Mr. Arkenstone (isaac)
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Jan 22 2012, 10:40pm
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But the question is:
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Jan 22 2012, 6:00pm
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Agreed 100%
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Jan 21 2012, 10:10pm
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as much as people
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Sinister71
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Jan 21 2012, 10:32pm
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It may just be semantics
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Jan 21 2012, 10:51pm
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I think that Thorin
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ShireHorse
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Jan 21 2012, 11:00pm
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That's another excellent point
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Jan 21 2012, 11:12pm
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Pride, greed, and for that matter lust
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SirDennisC
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Jan 21 2012, 11:25pm
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I strongly disagree
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sador
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Jan 22 2012, 5:55pm
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Disagree with which part?
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SirDennisC
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Jan 22 2012, 9:50pm
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Thorin and his greed for me-SPOILERS-
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Mr. Arkenstone (isaac)
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Jan 22 2012, 10:03pm
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* (argh, what is it with chrome and linkies anyway?)
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SirDennisC
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Jan 23 2012, 3:45am
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Thank you, Sir Dennis,
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ShireHorse
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Jan 23 2012, 11:30am
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as a king
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Mr. Arkenstone (isaac)
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Jan 22 2012, 4:33am
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While your analysis is right
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sador
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Jan 22 2012, 5:51pm
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A-greed Agreed, get it?? LOL
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Xanaseb
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Jan 21 2012, 11:51pm
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lol
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Mr. Arkenstone (isaac)
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Jan 22 2012, 3:12pm
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No.
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sador
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Jan 22 2012, 5:35pm
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One does not simply walk into Erebor
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Alientraveller
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Jan 21 2012, 7:25pm
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I believe
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Sinister71
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Jan 21 2012, 9:42pm
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If you call this a plothole
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sador
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Jan 22 2012, 6:03pm
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i didnīt know Thorin did
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Mr. Arkenstone (isaac)
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Jan 22 2012, 10:18pm
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The Hobbit is the ultimate heist movie.
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Owain
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Jan 22 2012, 8:51pm
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It is rather
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Jan 22 2012, 9:17pm
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mission "impossible"
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Mr. Arkenstone (isaac)
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Jan 22 2012, 10:22pm
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Haha! Nice!//
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Owain
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Jan 22 2012, 10:23pm
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I do find it strange that we don't even hear about Dain
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Curious
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Jan 23 2012, 6:43pm
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Anger against the Iron Hills colony?
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Otaku-sempai
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Jan 23 2012, 7:50pm
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Yes.
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Darkstone
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Jan 23 2012, 8:05pm
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Oh, it can be rationalized.
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Curious
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Jan 23 2012, 11:05pm
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Hmmm
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SirDennisC
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Jan 23 2012, 11:29pm
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iīm with you here
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Mr. Arkenstone (isaac)
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Jan 23 2012, 11:33pm
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Objectives of the quest
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TFP
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Jan 31 2012, 1:19pm
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We do; but without a name, and it doesn't amount to much:
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sador
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Jan 24 2012, 8:42am
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That doesn't even sound like the truth.
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Curious
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Jan 24 2012, 1:52pm
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Sure.
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sador
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Jan 24 2012, 3:09pm
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In re-reading Two Towers
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Rostron2
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Feb 2 2012, 12:45am
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shoeless joe orc
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Mr. Arkenstone (isaac)
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Feb 2 2012, 11:32am
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