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Well i was replying to someone who was in broad agreement

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Jul 19 2011, 9:12am


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Well i was replying to someone who was in broad agreement [In reply to] Can't Post

So i thought the plural would be appropriate. In any case, while people who hold similar opinions to me might be a minority, i do not believe it to be a minority of one, so i will use 'we' when talking about interpretations of Thorin. It may sound a bit like invoking a fictitious army of supporters, but it isn't really intended as that, more a real rabble of grumbling malcontents.

In terms to your very gracious comment on one of my actual points (i do note with some chagrin that people are more likely to challenge my on matters of grammar than of the actual points and content of my postsUnsureTongue), yes, there is a similarity between Denethor and Thorin's relationship with Gandalf, but the big difference that kind of puts an end to it's effectiveness of a comparison is that Thorin unlike Denethor has not given up the fight, even if they believe they have similar chances of success in winning it: Tolkien very tellingly describes Thorin as an 'heir without hope' in the appendices among other sources. Denethor of course has lost all hope, has withdrawn into despair and ultimately fulfills the logical end of it. With Thorin, he is despairing, but he has not surrendered to it- it would be the height of dishonour to die peacefully while his subjects remain without their home, he must continue fighting in order to defend himself and his people from it. In that way he is similar to the film's Theoden- he is acting in the best interests of his people in accordance with the Northern Theory of courage- that even in the face of ultimate defeat you keep fighting and you fight with honour. In the words of Theoden 'If this is to be our end, then i would have them make such an end as to be worthy of remembrance!'

The reason i use the movie version of Theoden in this comparison rather than the book version is in terms of Theoden's relationship with Gandalf specifically. In the book Theoden is utterly convinced by Gandalf following his rejuvenation by him, in fact he's prepared to do more than Gandalf ever hoped of him ('You do not know your own skill as a healer....'). In the film, once rejuvenated, while Theoden is thankful and hears the advice of Gandalf, he trusts his own wisdom more than Gandalf's. The film's Theoden suspects other motives for Gandalf's interest in him, just like Thorin. While Theoden and Thorin both accept the broad notion of Gandalf's plan, they do not trust him enough to follow it without qualification- Theoden accepts Gandalf's suggestion of leaving Edoras and taking the fight to Saruman but is not prepared to gamble the long term safety of his people and instead of confronting Saruman's hosts in the open field and retreats to Helm's Deep, blocking himself into a last stand, while Thorin accepts Gandalf's plan of stealth but insists that he tags along. You could argue that in doing so, Gandalf wastes time he could have spent convincing the White Council to attack. Had Gandalf been able to make them attack earlier he might have made it to Erebor quicker and perhaps put an end to the self-destructive deadlock between Thorin and the elves and men before the Goblins descended. Of course Tolkien doesn't make quite as clear that this decision kind of 'caused' Thorin's death in the same way that saving Faramir had the knock-on effect of leaving Theoden to die against the Witch King, but you can see the path it might follow.

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    A day of high honour for TORn! Earl Send a private message to Earl Jul 17 2011, 4:04pm
        Great! Compa_Mighty Jul 18 2011, 8:52am
        Congratulations! TORn...Wow! the world is a better place with you all... Bombadil Send a private message to Bombadil Jul 18 2011, 1:13pm
        Indeed Bow&Helm Send a private message to Bow&Helm Jul 18 2011, 8:09pm
    Yes! Awesome, this is so great little mouse Send a private message to little mouse Jul 17 2011, 4:05pm
    Sorry Boromir... Spencissimus Send a private message to Spencissimus Jul 17 2011, 4:08pm
        And Kili is the Dwarf that... Kyriel Send a private message to Kyriel Jul 17 2011, 5:58pm
            No prosthetics needed... Gandalf'sMother Jul 17 2011, 6:13pm
                It's the *length* of the beard that impinges on hotness ;-P Kyriel Send a private message to Kyriel Jul 17 2011, 6:27pm
                    Untidy Gandalf'sMother Jul 17 2011, 6:44pm
                        Surely you're not implying that I'm a teenager? ;-P Kyriel Send a private message to Kyriel Jul 17 2011, 7:11pm
                    Too much maitenance Muireadhaigh Send a private message to Muireadhaigh Jul 17 2011, 9:04pm
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                        Happy to oblige ;-P // Kyriel Send a private message to Kyriel Jul 19 2011, 11:00am
        Can we discuss the hobbit without these types of comments... fifa15m Send a private message to fifa15m Jul 17 2011, 7:30pm
            Welcome fifa! Altaira Send a private message to Altaira Jul 17 2011, 7:35pm
            What's wrong with it? Spencissimus Send a private message to Spencissimus Jul 17 2011, 7:38pm
            You do realize you're a newbie on a board with 6724 registered users? Kyriel Send a private message to Kyriel Jul 17 2011, 7:57pm
                Yes, I do realize that. (Thanks for the welcome Altaira!) fifa15m Send a private message to fifa15m Jul 17 2011, 8:10pm
                    It's cool Spencissimus Send a private message to Spencissimus Jul 17 2011, 8:13pm
                    I guess we have different ideas of what's tasteful, then, but sorry if I bit your head off ;-) Kyriel Send a private message to Kyriel Jul 18 2011, 12:50am
                *mods up!* Kangi Ska Send a private message to Kangi Ska Jul 17 2011, 8:36pm
                    Thorin looks like a Klingon. Morthoron Send a private message to Morthoron Jul 17 2011, 9:25pm
                        John Howe's redgiraffe Send a private message to redgiraffe Jul 17 2011, 9:32pm
                How about the "bearded men = ugly" prejudice? Zizix Send a private message to Zizix Jul 17 2011, 9:39pm
                    Just a touch of hyperbole Flagg Send a private message to Flagg Jul 18 2011, 12:00pm
            nope Annael Send a private message to Annael Jul 17 2011, 8:22pm
    Fantastic! Snulle Send a private message to Snulle Jul 17 2011, 4:12pm
    This is a great, hale and hardy Thorin! Altaira Send a private message to Altaira Jul 17 2011, 4:12pm
        I do think this is rather outside the box Flagg Send a private message to Flagg Jul 17 2011, 4:19pm
            He's not the only Dwarf who had years of hardship Altaira Send a private message to Altaira Jul 17 2011, 4:24pm
                Seems about right. Proudfoot Send a private message to Proudfoot Jul 19 2011, 2:08am
            I reckon a lot of it will come in the performance Eledhwen Send a private message to Eledhwen Jul 17 2011, 4:41pm
                Great point about Smith. Proudfoot Send a private message to Proudfoot Jul 19 2011, 1:39am
    Now thats a warrior! Hengist Send a private message to Hengist Jul 17 2011, 4:12pm
    What a wonderful costume! Flagg Send a private message to Flagg Jul 17 2011, 4:13pm
    An intriguing take... Captain Salt Send a private message to Captain Salt Jul 17 2011, 4:14pm
        The OneRing gets to reveal Thorin Hanzkaz Jul 17 2011, 4:23pm
        Thorin's brother Gorin? Captain Salt Send a private message to Captain Salt Jul 17 2011, 4:34pm
            LoL, Captain Salt Altaira Send a private message to Altaira Jul 17 2011, 4:36pm
                Thanks Captain Salt Send a private message to Captain Salt Jul 17 2011, 4:39pm
            PMSL Ravenry Send a private message to Ravenry Jul 17 2011, 4:42pm
            LMFAO! thats exactly what went through my head the moment I first saw him, LOL! Bullroarer Send a private message to Bullroarer Jul 17 2011, 5:09pm
            Haaaaahahahaha! Thanks, perfect! :) // Ethel Duath Send a private message to Ethel Duath Jul 17 2011, 7:35pm
        Gowron indeed Garfeimao Send a private message to Garfeimao Jul 18 2011, 6:49pm
            Maybe they said to each other "Nah, nobody is going to guess, are they? Nah!" ;) Zizix Send a private message to Zizix Jul 18 2011, 7:34pm
                Maybe Gowron looks like Thorin? Pipe Dream Send a private message to Pipe Dream Jul 18 2011, 7:50pm
                    A long-lost ancestor...? Captain Salt Send a private message to Captain Salt Jul 18 2011, 8:19pm
    Yes, Orcrist is the perfect sister-weapon to Sting! // QuackingTroll Send a private message to QuackingTroll Jul 17 2011, 4:16pm
        Orcrist Phibbus Send a private message to Phibbus Jul 17 2011, 6:15pm
            Hope this link works... QuackingTroll Send a private message to QuackingTroll Jul 17 2011, 9:59pm
                Thank you QT Phibbus Send a private message to Phibbus Jul 18 2011, 4:15am
                    I'd also like an explanation to the obvious issue... QuackingTroll Send a private message to QuackingTroll Jul 19 2011, 10:38am
    Well, i gotta get used to the fact that some dwarfs in The Hobbit look just like humans... Estel78 Send a private message to Estel78 Jul 17 2011, 4:18pm
    Awesome!!!!!!!!!!!! architecthis Send a private message to architecthis Jul 17 2011, 4:19pm
    Re: Runk Snusgrop Send a private message to Runk Snusgrop Jul 17 2011, 4:22pm
        LMAO dwarf_girl Send a private message to dwarf_girl Jul 17 2011, 4:57pm
    He looks so amazing! Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Jul 17 2011, 4:22pm
    Dwarf Perfection Mad Hatter of Middle-Earth Send a private message to Mad Hatter of Middle-Earth Jul 17 2011, 4:24pm
        Thorin flodwyns Send a private message to flodwyns Jul 17 2011, 4:31pm
    I detect a bit of grey around the edges, and in the beard... dernwyn Send a private message to dernwyn Jul 17 2011, 4:24pm
        Not surprised marillaraina Send a private message to marillaraina Jul 18 2011, 3:50am
    Oh my goodness Marionette Send a private message to Marionette Jul 17 2011, 4:26pm
    Since i was already expecting a young looking Thorin rings7 Send a private message to rings7 Jul 17 2011, 4:27pm
    Sup with his fingers? They all have really fake ears and Banana hands :( // QuackingTroll Send a private message to QuackingTroll Jul 17 2011, 4:29pm
        Small, slender human fingers is what you want? Faenoriel Send a private message to Faenoriel Jul 17 2011, 5:50pm
            I'm just being observant, I'm not complaining ;) // QuackingTroll Send a private message to QuackingTroll Jul 17 2011, 10:00pm
    "Young dwarf prince" duats Send a private message to duats Jul 17 2011, 4:32pm
        Richard Armitage is kingly Faenoriel Send a private message to Faenoriel Jul 17 2011, 5:54pm
        But...but...Thorin was a dwarf prince when Smaug attacked Erebor. Maiarmike Send a private message to Maiarmike Jul 18 2011, 2:23am
            You know, I am not certain Dwarves have princes. Kangi Ska Send a private message to Kangi Ska Jul 18 2011, 2:50am
    Awesome Ref Send a private message to Ref Jul 17 2011, 4:33pm
    He looks absolutely fantastic. Ainu Laire Send a private message to Ainu Laire Jul 17 2011, 4:35pm
    Maegwen is so excited that ... Snulle Send a private message to Snulle Jul 17 2011, 4:38pm
        Mistakes? No no... QuackingTroll Send a private message to QuackingTroll Jul 17 2011, 5:05pm
    Thorin Black Breathalizer Send a private message to Black Breathalizer Jul 17 2011, 4:42pm
        Yes, Theoden too looks too young Faenoriel Send a private message to Faenoriel Jul 17 2011, 5:57pm
            Nonsense on Galadriel Gandalf'sMother Jul 17 2011, 6:12pm
                Agreed. Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Jul 17 2011, 6:34pm
                Yes, I've heard people say she isn't pretty enough Faenoriel Send a private message to Faenoriel Jul 17 2011, 7:33pm
            I agree.... GwyraWhitfoot Send a private message to GwyraWhitfoot Jul 18 2011, 1:29am
    I want to see more of Thorin! dwarf_girl Send a private message to dwarf_girl Jul 17 2011, 4:43pm
    Thorin DrDeath153 Send a private message to DrDeath153 Jul 17 2011, 4:45pm
        Thorin Oakenshield aifeme Send a private message to aifeme Jul 17 2011, 4:48pm
        Same here. Snulle Send a private message to Snulle Jul 17 2011, 4:50pm
        Pretty much duats Send a private message to duats Jul 17 2011, 4:55pm
        Prosthetics Muireadhaigh Send a private message to Muireadhaigh Jul 17 2011, 5:59pm
    I do like the look in his eyes Zizix Send a private message to Zizix Jul 17 2011, 4:46pm
        That's an interesting question, because... Kyriel Send a private message to Kyriel Jul 17 2011, 6:07pm
    Congratulations TheOneRing.net! dormouse Send a private message to dormouse Jul 17 2011, 4:47pm
        I agree bookgirl13 Send a private message to bookgirl13 Jul 17 2011, 5:23pm
        Yeap, I join the congratulations! Eruthurin Send a private message to Eruthurin Jul 18 2011, 5:04pm
        Me too Vellamo Send a private message to Vellamo Jul 19 2011, 12:43am
    OMG, he looks awesome! Bullroarer Send a private message to Bullroarer Jul 17 2011, 5:01pm
    I love it... Nesse Send a private message to Nesse Jul 17 2011, 5:06pm
        Now this Ataahua Send a private message to Ataahua Jul 18 2011, 1:05am
    Congratulations to TORn on the exclusive reveal !!! TheWhiteRider Send a private message to TheWhiteRider Jul 17 2011, 5:06pm
    The perfect place to reveal Thorin! eralkfang Send a private message to eralkfang Jul 17 2011, 5:07pm
        I don't think it's a goatee Marillë by the Sea Send a private message to Marillë by the Sea Jul 17 2011, 7:29pm
    PERFECTION! Kyriel Send a private message to Kyriel Jul 17 2011, 5:07pm
    Unforgettable Tolkien fan moments. Hamfast Send a private message to Hamfast Jul 17 2011, 5:11pm
    Congratulations to TORn, for getting this major scoop! Patty Send a private message to Patty Jul 17 2011, 5:12pm
    I like it Carne Send a private message to Carne Jul 17 2011, 5:18pm
    'the great serpent, Smaug' Flagg Send a private message to Flagg Jul 17 2011, 5:18pm
        Oooh! Good pick on that bit of detail... Earl Send a private message to Earl Jul 17 2011, 5:20pm
        Offtopic but ... Snulle Send a private message to Snulle Jul 17 2011, 5:25pm
        That's what I got out of it duats Send a private message to duats Jul 17 2011, 5:29pm
    I take it all back... holydiver Send a private message to holydiver Jul 17 2011, 5:19pm
        We knew you'd come through, Holydiver! Spencissimus Send a private message to Spencissimus Jul 17 2011, 5:20pm
    Congrats TORN for the exclusive :-D namarie Send a private message to namarie Jul 17 2011, 5:27pm
    Looks great! Elfhelm Send a private message to Elfhelm Jul 17 2011, 5:28pm
        Just the highlights DrDeath153 Send a private message to DrDeath153 Jul 17 2011, 5:30pm
        Re: namarie Send a private message to namarie Jul 17 2011, 5:52pm
            Precisely in the high-res pic (zoomed to full inside the browser window) those doesn't look like reflections... so I'm still not quite convinced. =) n/t Elfhelm Send a private message to Elfhelm Jul 17 2011, 6:17pm
                You made me double-check again namarie Send a private message to namarie Jul 17 2011, 6:21pm
        I think it is just a lighting artifact bookgirl13 Send a private message to bookgirl13 Jul 17 2011, 5:58pm
            Teeth lindorian Send a private message to lindorian Jul 17 2011, 6:51pm
                teeth Ravenry Send a private message to Ravenry Jul 17 2011, 7:07pm
                    Funny Phibbus Send a private message to Phibbus Jul 17 2011, 7:11pm
                LOL, redgiraffe Send a private message to redgiraffe Jul 17 2011, 7:08pm
    WOW! Morok Cloudkeeper Send a private message to Morok Cloudkeeper Jul 17 2011, 5:29pm
    A full body shot woulda killed the studios? // Arwen's daughter Send a private message to Arwen's daughter Jul 17 2011, 5:39pm
    Thank you for honoring TORn, PJ! Faenoriel Send a private message to Faenoriel Jul 17 2011, 5:41pm
    I want a full body shot! RosieLass Send a private message to RosieLass Jul 17 2011, 5:48pm
        Oh come on- he's hardly ancient DrDeath153 Send a private message to DrDeath153 Jul 17 2011, 5:54pm
            I think he looks wonderfully dwarven... Spencissimus Send a private message to Spencissimus Jul 17 2011, 5:58pm
                I dont see it either Muireadhaigh Send a private message to Muireadhaigh Jul 17 2011, 6:13pm
                    It's not meant to disparage him particularly DrDeath153 Send a private message to DrDeath153 Jul 17 2011, 6:22pm
            One more reason I wish they had made TH before LotR Faenoriel Send a private message to Faenoriel Jul 17 2011, 6:07pm
                Gimli was not the only dwarf in LotR DrDeath153 Send a private message to DrDeath153 Jul 17 2011, 6:16pm
                    Proportions architecthis Send a private message to architecthis Jul 17 2011, 7:54pm
                    Basically, I wanted to provoke you. Faenoriel Send a private message to Faenoriel Jul 17 2011, 7:55pm
                        The Gimli purists DrDeath153 Send a private message to DrDeath153 Jul 18 2011, 1:09pm
                            Sorry if this oversteps the mark but... Ececheira Send a private message to Ececheira Jul 18 2011, 1:36pm
                                It does a bit DrDeath153 Send a private message to DrDeath153 Jul 18 2011, 1:43pm
                                And there are plenty of people... Gandalf'sMother Jul 18 2011, 1:56pm
                                This forum welcomes all Hengist Send a private message to Hengist Jul 18 2011, 2:00pm
                                    Amen... Gandalf'sMother Jul 18 2011, 2:04pm
                                    Just to clarify Ececheira Send a private message to Ececheira Jul 18 2011, 7:26pm
                                        Armitage's supporters repeat their opinions just as much as his detractors. // Flagg Send a private message to Flagg Jul 18 2011, 7:37pm
                                        Perhaps it was just your tone? Pipe Dream Send a private message to Pipe Dream Jul 18 2011, 7:39pm
                                            haha... Bound Send a private message to Bound Jul 18 2011, 7:48pm
                                                I'm not even involved. Pipe Dream Send a private message to Pipe Dream Jul 18 2011, 7:52pm
                                                    well nothing like a bit of humour... Bound Send a private message to Bound Jul 18 2011, 7:56pm
                                            Indeed! Ececheira Send a private message to Ececheira Jul 18 2011, 8:43pm
                            I think... Gandalf'sMother Jul 18 2011, 1:50pm
                                Balin maybe DrDeath153 Send a private message to DrDeath153 Jul 18 2011, 1:53pm
                                    I'm not sure I understand... Gandalf'sMother Jul 18 2011, 2:03pm
                                        Yes, this, 100 % Faenoriel Send a private message to Faenoriel Jul 18 2011, 4:28pm
                                            Proportions Rosebud Send a private message to Rosebud Jul 18 2011, 6:09pm
                                            Even Gimli doesn't maintain continuity with the Gimli look. Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone Jul 18 2011, 7:47pm
                                                Ha... Gandalf'sMother Jul 18 2011, 10:25pm
                                                    Probably should know this... Captain Salt Send a private message to Captain Salt Jul 19 2011, 12:49am
                                                        "Flet" is Silverlode Send a private message to Silverlode Jul 19 2011, 1:31am
                                        There could be a problem, though... Phibbus Send a private message to Phibbus Jul 18 2011, 11:06pm
                Not just Gimli Alientraveller Send a private message to Alientraveller Jul 17 2011, 6:17pm
                    I got into Tolkien via PJ too :) Faenoriel Send a private message to Faenoriel Jul 17 2011, 8:09pm
                        Congrats to TORN and what a lordly reveal! Vangalad Send a private message to Vangalad Jul 17 2011, 8:55pm
            We're not starting this argument again, are we? RosieLass Send a private message to RosieLass Jul 17 2011, 7:43pm
    Woohoo Rosie-with-the-ribbons Send a private message to Rosie-with-the-ribbons Jul 17 2011, 5:49pm
    Utterly awesome Ececheira Send a private message to Ececheira Jul 17 2011, 5:55pm
    *hyperventilates* Alassëa Eruvande Send a private message to Alassëa Eruvande Jul 17 2011, 5:57pm
    Conrats to ToRN and... AWESOME... Bound Send a private message to Bound Jul 17 2011, 5:59pm
    Wow! Congratulations... ByThorinsBeard Send a private message to ByThorinsBeard Jul 17 2011, 6:00pm
        Welcome to the discussion boards ByThorinsBeard Altaira Send a private message to Altaira Jul 17 2011, 6:30pm
            thank you Altiara ByThorinsBeard Send a private message to ByThorinsBeard Jul 17 2011, 6:58pm
    Orcrist--another fine work of art! / Patty Send a private message to Patty Jul 17 2011, 6:01pm
        And the runes on the guard spell "ORKHRIST". dernwyn Send a private message to dernwyn Jul 17 2011, 6:08pm
            *awards dernwyn double geek points* Ataahua Send a private message to Ataahua Jul 18 2011, 1:07am
                Watch out... dernwyn Send a private message to dernwyn Jul 18 2011, 1:45am
            Amazing! Though I'm wondering why the writing is in runes Earl Send a private message to Earl Jul 18 2011, 7:08am
                Because he personalized it?// Elizabeth Send a private message to Elizabeth Jul 18 2011, 7:35am
                Back gate of Moria Garfeimao Send a private message to Garfeimao Jul 18 2011, 7:04pm
    Freaking cool LoremIpsum Send a private message to LoremIpsum Jul 17 2011, 6:12pm
    his voice...... ilovekili Send a private message to ilovekili Jul 17 2011, 6:14pm
    Mr. Eruvande thinks he looks like a Klingon. Alassëa Eruvande Send a private message to Alassëa Eruvande Jul 17 2011, 6:16pm
    GUYS, Guys, Guys, guys... sushiking Send a private message to sushiking Jul 17 2011, 6:20pm
    Thorin Oakenshield... willowing Send a private message to willowing Jul 17 2011, 6:24pm
    Are those dwarven runes... Gandalf'sMother Jul 17 2011, 6:25pm
        They are Elvish. dernwyn Send a private message to dernwyn Jul 17 2011, 6:35pm
            Beat me to it Phibbus Send a private message to Phibbus Jul 17 2011, 6:50pm
                That's an interesting point! dernwyn Send a private message to dernwyn Jul 18 2011, 1:41am
            You are brilliant :o) Earl Send a private message to Earl Jul 18 2011, 7:19am
                Heh! dernwyn Send a private message to dernwyn Jul 18 2011, 10:14am
            Runes and Ring mulubinba Send a private message to mulubinba Jul 18 2011, 9:17am
                What is curious about THAT rune... dernwyn Send a private message to dernwyn Jul 18 2011, 10:22am
                    Ring rune mulubinba Send a private message to mulubinba Jul 18 2011, 10:45am
                        Of "T" and "TH"... dernwyn Send a private message to dernwyn Jul 18 2011, 11:32am
                            Off to .. mulubinba Send a private message to mulubinba Jul 18 2011, 11:46am
        Anyone notice the scabbard on his back? redgiraffe Send a private message to redgiraffe Jul 17 2011, 6:41pm
            Nice! Snulle Send a private message to Snulle Jul 17 2011, 6:47pm
            It looks like the pommel is only half a curve... Earl Send a private message to Earl Jul 18 2011, 7:21am
                Do you mean the hilt? Pipe Dream Send a private message to Pipe Dream Jul 18 2011, 10:02am
    Not quite the way I've imagined Thorin... sharpened_graphite Send a private message to sharpened_graphite Jul 17 2011, 6:39pm
    Sweeeeeet! Pipe Dream Send a private message to Pipe Dream Jul 17 2011, 6:41pm
    Cool Thorin xy Jul 17 2011, 6:46pm
    Oops!!! Ermanatar Send a private message to Ermanatar Jul 17 2011, 7:17pm
    human, all too human... Rosebud Send a private message to Rosebud Jul 17 2011, 7:24pm
        I'm in the "too human" camp. arphen Send a private message to arphen Jul 17 2011, 9:13pm
            I have a hunch... Pipe Dream Send a private message to Pipe Dream Jul 17 2011, 9:26pm
                Balin and Dwalin Gandalf'sMother Jul 17 2011, 9:45pm
                    Fair enough! arphen Send a private message to arphen Jul 18 2011, 12:17am
                That's just an urban myth duats Send a private message to duats Jul 18 2011, 3:36am
                    With regards to the beards... arphen Send a private message to arphen Jul 18 2011, 4:33am
                    Can I ask you something? Spencissimus Send a private message to Spencissimus Jul 18 2011, 7:19am
                        No duats Send a private message to duats Jul 18 2011, 9:14am
                        The elves joking about Thorin... Gandalf'sMother Jul 18 2011, 1:36pm
                    well said ByThorinsBeard Send a private message to ByThorinsBeard Jul 18 2011, 1:04pm
                        Perhaps they have Hengist Send a private message to Hengist Jul 18 2011, 1:10pm
                            A stroke of genius, Hengist! Spencissimus Send a private message to Spencissimus Jul 18 2011, 1:24pm
                            Great idea Hengist! ByThorinsBeard Send a private message to ByThorinsBeard Jul 18 2011, 6:31pm
            Dain's army redgiraffe Send a private message to redgiraffe Jul 17 2011, 9:27pm
                IMO Gandalf'sMother Jul 17 2011, 9:46pm
            Honestly... Gandalf'sMother Jul 17 2011, 9:41pm
                Completely agree lindorian Send a private message to lindorian Jul 17 2011, 9:49pm
                Agreed Faenoriel Send a private message to Faenoriel Jul 17 2011, 9:55pm
                    Likewise. Gandalf'sMother Jul 18 2011, 12:23am
            They have certainly varied the 'dwarf look' dormouse Send a private message to dormouse Jul 17 2011, 10:01pm
            You said it brother R11 Send a private message to R11 Jul 18 2011, 8:37pm
    I´m quite surprised in a positive way... Ruijor Send a private message to Ruijor Jul 17 2011, 7:31pm
        Thorin looks so stunning! Daisy Gold Send a private message to Daisy Gold Jul 17 2011, 7:37pm
            Thorin looks OLDER than I thought they would make him, LOL! ShireHorse Send a private message to ShireHorse Jul 17 2011, 7:45pm
                I agree dormouse Send a private message to dormouse Jul 17 2011, 7:51pm
                    I've never imagined Thorin any older than that picture... painjoiker Send a private message to painjoiker Jul 17 2011, 8:26pm
                I agree he does look older Rufus Send a private message to Rufus Jul 17 2011, 9:00pm
                    Different looks lindorian Send a private message to lindorian Jul 17 2011, 9:15pm
                    Actors really are chameleons Garfeimao Send a private message to Garfeimao Jul 18 2011, 8:31pm
                        Are you being sarcastic? Rufus Send a private message to Rufus Jul 18 2011, 8:39pm
                            NO, I was being serious Garfeimao Send a private message to Garfeimao Jul 18 2011, 9:05pm
                                thanks Rufus Send a private message to Rufus Jul 18 2011, 9:10pm
                A perfect compromise Vellamo Send a private message to Vellamo Jul 18 2011, 12:57pm
    Thorin looks fine Radagast_the_Brown Send a private message to Radagast_the_Brown Jul 17 2011, 7:45pm
    You guys missed your golden opportunity! dave_lf Send a private message to dave_lf Jul 17 2011, 7:50pm
        +1! RosieLass Send a private message to RosieLass Jul 17 2011, 8:25pm
    Jewelry Rosie-with-the-ribbons Send a private message to Rosie-with-the-ribbons Jul 17 2011, 8:21pm
    TORn is honoured, yes, but why 'humbled'? kiwifan Send a private message to kiwifan Jul 17 2011, 8:36pm
        Lol, kiwifan! Altaira Send a private message to Altaira Jul 17 2011, 8:59pm
            Altaira, I stand corrected kiwifan Send a private message to kiwifan Jul 18 2011, 2:35pm
                Not at all Altaira Send a private message to Altaira Jul 18 2011, 3:52pm
        Honoured and humbled bookgirl13 Send a private message to bookgirl13 Jul 17 2011, 9:04pm
            I don't understand Gandalf'sMother Jul 17 2011, 9:36pm
                Wrong presumption on my part bookgirl13 Send a private message to bookgirl13 Jul 18 2011, 12:01am
        To use the modern phrase... Silverlode Send a private message to Silverlode Jul 18 2011, 12:07am
            why aren't we worthy? kiwifan Send a private message to kiwifan Jul 18 2011, 11:23pm
                Only because Silverlode Send a private message to Silverlode Jul 19 2011, 1:28am
    No supprises Kangi Ska Send a private message to Kangi Ska Jul 17 2011, 8:53pm
        Nor disappointment. Delrond Send a private message to Delrond Jul 18 2011, 2:17am
            A bit more gray would not have hurt. Kangi Ska Send a private message to Kangi Ska Jul 18 2011, 2:58am
                Kangi, you voice my feelings exactly. Patty Send a private message to Patty Jul 18 2011, 8:46am
                    Gray Delrond Send a private message to Delrond Jul 18 2011, 10:05am
    Richard Armitage Symbelmine Send a private message to Symbelmine Jul 17 2011, 8:55pm
    Fantastic! mulubinba Send a private message to mulubinba Jul 17 2011, 9:10pm
    Wow! Maiarmike Send a private message to Maiarmike Jul 17 2011, 11:57pm
    looks good lurtz2010 Send a private message to lurtz2010 Jul 18 2011, 12:05am
        Oh yeah I had forgotten that GwyraWhitfoot Send a private message to GwyraWhitfoot Jul 18 2011, 1:48am
    Can't wait to see Thorin flip out of Bilbo Rodu Send a private message to Rodu Jul 18 2011, 12:12am
    Suggestion: The Combined Wallpaper... Bladerunner Send a private message to Bladerunner Jul 18 2011, 12:41am
        Correct me if I'm wrong but Marillë by the Sea Send a private message to Marillë by the Sea Jul 18 2011, 7:20pm
    Finally getting a chance to comment.... Silverlode Send a private message to Silverlode Jul 18 2011, 12:46am
        *Mods Up!* // Maiarmike Send a private message to Maiarmike Jul 18 2011, 12:58am
        ^ This // Faenoriel Send a private message to Faenoriel Jul 18 2011, 2:35am
    I couldn't resist a roto test. Pipe Dream Send a private message to Pipe Dream Jul 18 2011, 12:54am
    Overdressed dwarves Hooded Justice Send a private message to Hooded Justice Jul 18 2011, 12:55am
        Klingon... Phibbus Send a private message to Phibbus Jul 18 2011, 1:16am
            Bwah ha ha ha ha! taekotemple Send a private message to taekotemple Jul 19 2011, 2:27am
    Oh! In all my excitement... Maiarmike Send a private message to Maiarmike Jul 18 2011, 1:04am
    he looks amazing LordElrond Send a private message to LordElrond Jul 18 2011, 1:39am
    Wonderful. Telerian Send a private message to Telerian Jul 18 2011, 2:31am
    Not as bad as I was expecting... Bergil'sEagle Send a private message to Bergil'sEagle Jul 18 2011, 2:37am
    Klingon anyone? Groppe Send a private message to Groppe Jul 18 2011, 2:41am
    I knew it marillaraina Send a private message to marillaraina Jul 18 2011, 3:20am
    Oh...my....Goodness... grammaboodawg Send a private message to grammaboodawg Jul 18 2011, 3:29am
        Bwhahaha! Gramma, that pic is perfect! // dernwyn Send a private message to dernwyn Jul 18 2011, 10:24am
    So... Phibbus Send a private message to Phibbus Jul 18 2011, 3:46am
        Yeah sure! Earl Send a private message to Earl Jul 18 2011, 7:37am
        David Bowie would have made a great Thranduil. // Flagg Send a private message to Flagg Jul 18 2011, 12:02pm
    Orcrist's detailing does resemble that of Sting SirDennisC Send a private message to SirDennisC Jul 18 2011, 4:08am
        I'm curious about how a Dwarf will be able to wield a sword made for an Elf Faenoriel Send a private message to Faenoriel Jul 18 2011, 4:17am
            Was thinking that as well SirDennisC Send a private message to SirDennisC Jul 18 2011, 4:25am
            Re:I'm curious about how a Dwarf will be able to wield a sword made for an Elf by Faenoriel Briza Send a private message to Briza Jul 18 2011, 7:09am
                If as light as you suggest, which SirDennisC Send a private message to SirDennisC Jul 18 2011, 7:21pm
        Hmmm.... Phibbus Send a private message to Phibbus Jul 18 2011, 4:29am
            The scabbard and cross guard too SirDennisC Send a private message to SirDennisC Jul 18 2011, 4:34am
    All of them rock// Wraith Buster Send a private message to Wraith Buster Jul 18 2011, 4:19am
    Group Photo With Thorin Mythopoeia Send a private message to Mythopoeia Jul 18 2011, 5:52am
        *Very* nice! Kyriel Send a private message to Kyriel Jul 18 2011, 11:11am
        Very Nice! Bladerunner Send a private message to Bladerunner Jul 18 2011, 3:37pm
    Is it sad Rufus Send a private message to Rufus Jul 18 2011, 7:09am
        Sad? No... dormouse Send a private message to dormouse Jul 18 2011, 7:16am
        Thorin in the cold light of morning...*eyes glaze over* Alassëa Eruvande Send a private message to Alassëa Eruvande Jul 18 2011, 2:08pm
    Congrats! vigshane Send a private message to vigshane Jul 18 2011, 7:29am
        As you should! Earl Send a private message to Earl Jul 18 2011, 7:42am
            TORned already! vigshane Send a private message to vigshane Jul 18 2011, 7:51am
    Hail Thorin, King Under the Mountain! stormcrow20 Send a private message to stormcrow20 Jul 18 2011, 9:37am
        I can't imagine that some business won't step in... Patty Send a private message to Patty Jul 18 2011, 9:47am
        Thorin action figure edinlin Send a private message to edinlin Jul 18 2011, 10:15am
    Thorin or Richard(in disguise)... willowing Send a private message to willowing Jul 18 2011, 10:28am
        Gah, I wish you hadn't said that! Kyriel Send a private message to Kyriel Jul 18 2011, 11:16am
    Actually, you know who he kind of reminds me of? Maiarmike Send a private message to Maiarmike Jul 18 2011, 10:36am
    Ian McShane as Thorin Oakenshield (photoshop) Flagg Send a private message to Flagg Jul 18 2011, 11:58am
        Hey that's a pretty decent Photo-chop job! reags Send a private message to reags Jul 18 2011, 12:03pm
        Woah! Maiarmike Send a private message to Maiarmike Jul 18 2011, 12:06pm
            Well, it should Flagg Send a private message to Flagg Jul 18 2011, 12:11pm
        That's hideous, Flagg dormouse Send a private message to dormouse Jul 18 2011, 1:11pm
            That's because he happened to be frowning and I couldn't find a better picture. Flagg Send a private message to Flagg Jul 18 2011, 1:29pm
                I'm afraid there wouldn't have been a picture dormouse Send a private message to dormouse Jul 18 2011, 1:49pm
                    I agree edinlin Send a private message to edinlin Jul 18 2011, 2:08pm
                    All right Flagg Send a private message to Flagg Jul 18 2011, 5:41pm
                        Well Richard Armitage is more than capable of... marillaraina Send a private message to marillaraina Jul 18 2011, 5:58pm
                            So it's OK for Armitage to look like he's about to burst into tears, but not McShane? // Flagg Send a private message to Flagg Jul 18 2011, 6:12pm
                                let it rest Flagg nobofthepony Send a private message to nobofthepony Jul 18 2011, 6:20pm
                                    Please do not say that Flagg Send a private message to Flagg Jul 18 2011, 6:30pm
                                        Wait, wait, wait Arwen's daughter Send a private message to Arwen's daughter Jul 18 2011, 6:48pm
                                            No, you misunderstand me Flagg Send a private message to Flagg Jul 18 2011, 7:00pm
                                                Flagg, for the love of pete...trust Pete! Richie Rich Send a private message to Richie Rich Jul 18 2011, 7:04pm
                                                I think you might Silverlode Send a private message to Silverlode Jul 19 2011, 1:22am
                                huh? marillaraina Send a private message to marillaraina Jul 18 2011, 6:31pm
                                    You seem to have taken my post out of context Flagg Send a private message to Flagg Jul 18 2011, 6:43pm
                                        *Sigh* dormouse Send a private message to dormouse Jul 18 2011, 6:52pm
                                        Armitage casting Rosebud Send a private message to Rosebud Jul 18 2011, 7:03pm
                                            Well in a sense that's what the controversy was about from the start DrDeath153 Send a private message to DrDeath153 Jul 18 2011, 8:05pm
                                                "We"? Faenoriel Send a private message to Faenoriel Jul 18 2011, 8:29pm
                                                    I have to say that Rufus Send a private message to Rufus Jul 18 2011, 8:53pm
                                                    Me too marillaraina Send a private message to marillaraina Jul 18 2011, 9:22pm
                                                        I also... Gandalf'sMother Jul 18 2011, 10:30pm
                                                    I find that it helps to not have a idea of what a character should look like Spencissimus Send a private message to Spencissimus Jul 19 2011, 1:10am
                                                    Well i was replying to someone who was in broad agreement DrDeath153 Send a private message to DrDeath153 Jul 19 2011, 9:12am
                        I am not convinced Rufus Send a private message to Rufus Jul 18 2011, 5:59pm
                            Well that's up to the costume designers Flagg Send a private message to Flagg Jul 18 2011, 6:36pm
                                Perhaps we should agree to differ Rufus Send a private message to Rufus Jul 18 2011, 6:53pm
                                    This is true marillaraina Send a private message to marillaraina Jul 18 2011, 8:50pm
                                        Thank you! taekotemple Send a private message to taekotemple Jul 19 2011, 3:08am
                                        Good point bookgirl13 Send a private message to bookgirl13 Jul 19 2011, 8:44am
                        Now, Flagg, that's not fair... dormouse Send a private message to dormouse Jul 18 2011, 6:10pm
                            That's not what I meant Flagg Send a private message to Flagg Jul 18 2011, 6:23pm
                            Looking at Armitage now SirDennisC Send a private message to SirDennisC Jul 18 2011, 7:33pm
        Looks like we had better start preparing the casket for this guy Mad Hatter of Middle-Earth Send a private message to Mad Hatter of Middle-Earth Jul 18 2011, 1:31pm
            He is an heirless 195-year-old Dwarven monarch struggling to reclaim his kingdom before he dies. Flagg Send a private message to Flagg Jul 18 2011, 1:41pm
                Ah, yes, but will PJ show him as 195? ShireHorse Send a private message to ShireHorse Jul 18 2011, 2:05pm
        It's nice but DrDeath153 Send a private message to DrDeath153 Jul 18 2011, 1:40pm
        His eyes remind me of Bladerunner Send a private message to Bladerunner Jul 18 2011, 3:49pm
        You're pretty good at image editing! mykonos Send a private message to mykonos Jul 18 2011, 6:50pm
            Oh I'm used to it all right Flagg Send a private message to Flagg Jul 18 2011, 7:04pm
                So do all who live to see such casting... Richie Rich Send a private message to Richie Rich Jul 18 2011, 7:09pm
                    awesome Garfeimao Send a private message to Garfeimao Jul 18 2011, 7:14pm
                    LOL!!! Mad Hatter of Middle-Earth Send a private message to Mad Hatter of Middle-Earth Jul 18 2011, 7:20pm
                    Beautiful! // Faenoriel Send a private message to Faenoriel Jul 18 2011, 8:10pm
                    Looks like... Gandalf'sMother Jul 18 2011, 10:23pm
                        Haha! Altaira Send a private message to Altaira Jul 19 2011, 1:05am
                            After all, the dwarves did sing... Gandalf'sMother Jul 19 2011, 3:32am
                                Oh yes... Phibbus Send a private message to Phibbus Jul 19 2011, 4:52am
                                    *snert* Plan B. :-D // Altaira Send a private message to Altaira Jul 19 2011, 5:02am
                                Lol! Brilliant! // Altaira Send a private message to Altaira Jul 19 2011, 5:01am
                    Bravo! That was priceless Altaira Send a private message to Altaira Jul 19 2011, 1:03am
                    *mods up* dernwyn Send a private message to dernwyn Jul 19 2011, 1:20am
                I understand mykonos Send a private message to mykonos Jul 18 2011, 9:59pm
                I have to say, as much as I find myself having different opinions from yours... taekotemple Send a private message to taekotemple Jul 19 2011, 3:22am
        you forgot to put more white hair :P // namarie Send a private message to namarie Jul 19 2011, 12:28pm
    My updated photoshop of all dwarves plus bilbo and gandalf chrismortega Send a private message to chrismortega Jul 18 2011, 12:13pm
        Fantastic! Altaira Send a private message to Altaira Jul 18 2011, 12:49pm
        Great Job! Mad Hatter of Middle-Earth Send a private message to Mad Hatter of Middle-Earth Jul 18 2011, 1:02pm
        Great job, I really like that. // Silverlode Send a private message to Silverlode Jul 18 2011, 6:24pm
        Great attempt mulubinba Send a private message to mulubinba Jul 19 2011, 12:32am
    Cheer up Dlanor da Great Send a private message to Dlanor da Great Jul 18 2011, 1:46pm
        I'm afraid that's not much consolation Flagg Send a private message to Flagg Jul 18 2011, 5:17pm
    Aragorn did not look old either.. architecthis Send a private message to architecthis Jul 18 2011, 2:18pm
        Question... Gandalf'sMother Jul 18 2011, 2:19pm
            I didn't say he wasn't old architecthis Send a private message to architecthis Jul 18 2011, 2:21pm
                Perhaps... Phibbus Send a private message to Phibbus Jul 18 2011, 2:39pm
                    I think it's certainly possible.. architecthis Send a private message to architecthis Jul 18 2011, 2:54pm
        Well with Aragorn DrDeath153 Send a private message to DrDeath153 Jul 18 2011, 3:09pm
            I think your going to find architecthis Send a private message to architecthis Jul 18 2011, 3:33pm
            I don't think it was fitness and experience Bladerunner Send a private message to Bladerunner Jul 18 2011, 4:15pm
    now we know who might be Tauriel`s love interest little mouse Send a private message to little mouse Jul 18 2011, 3:27pm
        Ouch! Snulle Send a private message to Snulle Jul 18 2011, 3:40pm
            ha ha ha, I know little mouse Send a private message to little mouse Jul 18 2011, 4:17pm
    I'm kind of surprised by how negative the front-page comments are kzer_za Send a private message to kzer_za Jul 18 2011, 3:57pm
        I noticed that as well Bladerunner Send a private message to Bladerunner Jul 18 2011, 4:25pm
            I'm betting... Phibbus Send a private message to Phibbus Jul 18 2011, 4:29pm
        They seem mostly positive to me Kyriel Send a private message to Kyriel Jul 18 2011, 5:26pm
        I look at it this way: Maiarmike Send a private message to Maiarmike Jul 19 2011, 1:56am
    Well I'm happy with the dwarves Ref Send a private message to Ref Jul 18 2011, 4:27pm
        Good Point architecthis Send a private message to architecthis Jul 18 2011, 4:37pm
            I agree Altaira Send a private message to Altaira Jul 18 2011, 6:58pm
                Yes Rosebud Send a private message to Rosebud Jul 18 2011, 7:38pm
    Hi-res Balin and Dwalin Zloy Send a private message to Zloy Jul 18 2011, 6:54pm
        My hero! // Richie Rich Send a private message to Richie Rich Jul 18 2011, 6:59pm
    Now that its sunk in Jettorex Send a private message to Jettorex Jul 18 2011, 8:10pm
    Generally very happy Bran Send a private message to Bran Jul 18 2011, 8:39pm
    Here comes the full body and full Complement of Dwarves Garfeimao Send a private message to Garfeimao Jul 18 2011, 9:09pm
        Isn't it a photoshop job? Rosebud Send a private message to Rosebud Jul 18 2011, 9:15pm
    Thorin and Company Wallpaper (my version) Richie Rich Send a private message to Richie Rich Jul 19 2011, 12:27am
        Wow. Ataahua Send a private message to Ataahua Jul 19 2011, 12:33am
        I like your version. Very nice. It looks official. Kangi Ska Send a private message to Kangi Ska Jul 19 2011, 12:47am
        Excellent work Phibbus Send a private message to Phibbus Jul 19 2011, 12:51am
            It's Kinda MY STYLE to sit back...Smoke alittle Longbottom Leaf and.... Bombadil Send a private message to Bombadil Jul 19 2011, 1:45am
        That's excellent, Richie Rich dormouse Send a private message to dormouse Jul 19 2011, 7:43am
        Richie Rich you never fail to amaze Mad Hatter of Middle-Earth Send a private message to Mad Hatter of Middle-Earth Jul 19 2011, 1:06pm
    undecided hutch Send a private message to hutch Jul 19 2011, 2:20am
    I've just realised where I've seen Balin before Bran Send a private message to Bran Jul 19 2011, 10:29am

 
 
 

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