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taekotemple
Grey Havens
Jun 2 2011, 6:46am
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Well, some of what we are talking about is value, some is fact.
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First off, let me say that I'm not offended, I just don't agree with you based on science, psychology, and my own personal values. The reality is, in nature there are some animals that can change gender. This is fact. Teaching kids this isn't teaching them to be homosexual. It's teaching them that in nature, in species that aren't even human, this exists. And animals who can change gender aren't even homosexual. They just change gender. Human beings can't spontaneously change gender, so teaching kids that it happens in other species doesn't mean it will make them want to become transgendered, much less homosexual. Now, personally, I don't think it's wrong to teach kids that homosexuality exists. Maybe it's because I grew up around it. Knowing that homosexuality exists didn't make me gay (as I am most definitely straight), and it didn't involve me having to learn too much about sex before I was ready. It didn't even make me question my sexuality at all. Also, I have friends who are gay, lesbian, or bi who have told me that they knew they were gay since they were very small children. Can you imagine how alienating it was for them to grow up being told that the way they felt was not normal? So when it comes to my personal values, I don't think it's wrong for children to know it exists. And if it's a topic that comes up, it should be explained in age appropriate terms. I think the problem is that a lot of people assume that being a member of the LGBT community is all about who you have sex with. I really doubt the people I know who are LGBT spend all day thinking about sex and who they have sex with. So if a kid has two mommies or two daddies, does that mean that kid is exposed to sex all the time? Absolutely not. So what's wrong with them going to school and having the other kids understand that having two mommies or two daddies isn't necessarily a bad thing? And what about the incredibly high rate of LGBT teen suicides? The major contributor to that is bullying. Wouldn't there be less bullying of those LGBT teens if understanding and tolerance were taught in schools? In fact, our very own Gandalf, Sir Ian McKellan, helped start an organization called Stonewall to teach anti-homophobia education. He doesn't want kids today to grow up with the biases he's experienced in his life. The hard thing about this topic is that it is such a heated one. There are so many different views, whether based on life experience, religion, general fear, confusion... I think it's pretty clear you have a viewpoint, and it's quite possible that there's nothing I can say here that may help you see a different point of view on the subject. But I share it because I've known so many wonderful people in my life who have suffered because of people who aren't willing to open their minds up to learn a little more about what's really behind the label. Maybe I've just gotten to a point in life where I've seen that there is so much negativity and hate in the world, it makes me question why people are so against teaching children that it's okay to love someone, no matter what shape or form they come in.
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Are you a Homeschooler or Not
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Lady Brynna
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May 31 2011, 1:21pm
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Whats a homeschooler? //
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macfalk
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May 31 2011, 1:51pm
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A Homeschooler is..........
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Lady Brynna
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May 31 2011, 2:16pm
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Are you a person being schooled at home or...
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Patty
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May 31 2011, 1:54pm
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We're not antisocial!
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Gollum the Great
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May 31 2011, 3:47pm
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This Post
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Lady Brynna
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May 31 2011, 9:20pm
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I was never homeschooled myself...
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taekotemple
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Jun 1 2011, 5:45am
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It's one of those things that really depends on...
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RosieLass
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May 31 2011, 5:01pm
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sometimes there a like homeschool 'co-ops' for sports,etc.
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Magpie
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May 31 2011, 6:28pm
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Our neighbors across the street homeschool.
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Alassėa Eruvande
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May 31 2011, 8:03pm
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Not being able to connect with peers has happened to me before and it was because
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Gimli'sBox
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May 31 2011, 9:48pm
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*Mods up!*
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Gollum the Great
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Jun 1 2011, 12:22am
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I like you! Seems like you've got a good head on your shoulders.//
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Gimli'sBox
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Jun 1 2011, 1:00am
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Thag you very buch![:)]
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Gollum the Great
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Jun 1 2011, 4:56pm
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Just so long as your head is "on your shoulders"
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Patty
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Jun 1 2011, 5:03pm
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Hang on, let me check in the mirror....
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Gollum the Great
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Jun 1 2011, 5:08pm
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Well...
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taekotemple
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Jun 1 2011, 5:57am
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I understand that Kids know there's a difference between
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Gimli'sBox
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Jun 1 2011, 4:44pm
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Exactly! A quote, if I may...
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Gollum the Great
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Jun 1 2011, 5:07pm
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I've read that quote before but forgot it. Very fitting. Thanks for sharing!
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Gimli'sBox
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Jun 1 2011, 5:14pm
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Mae govannen! Hannon le :)
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Gollum the Great
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Jun 1 2011, 7:23pm
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Yeah I've seen it...but I only have one sis so, we don't get too many weird looks.
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Gimli'sBox
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Jun 1 2011, 7:35pm
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Wait, serious?!
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Gollum the Great
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Jun 1 2011, 8:04pm
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Yeah it's awesome! We're really close too so, we totally geek out on each other.
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Gimli'sBox
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Jun 1 2011, 8:11pm
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Love that Video!
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glorinfidell
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Jun 7 2011, 3:36pm
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Well, some of what we are talking about is value, some is fact.
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taekotemple
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Jun 2 2011, 6:46am
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I like being able to discuss things without hating each other for it so,
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Gimli'sBox
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Jun 2 2011, 5:34pm
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Being gay isn't a choice
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Arwen's daughter
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Jun 2 2011, 5:48pm
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I'm going to have to disagree. I believe God created each person and he wouldn't
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Gimli'sBox
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Jun 2 2011, 7:23pm
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Well
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Arwen's daughter
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Jun 2 2011, 7:33pm
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I am no Bible/Hebrew/Greek expert
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Gollum the Great
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Jun 2 2011, 8:54pm
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Well
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Arwen's daughter
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Jun 2 2011, 9:13pm
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If course it's important to be hospitible
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Gimli'sBox
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Jun 2 2011, 9:35pm
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Lot offered his daughters
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Arwen's daughter
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Jun 2 2011, 9:50pm
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But again in judges 19
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Gollum the Great
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Jun 2 2011, 9:35pm
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If nothing else
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Gollum the Great
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Jun 2 2011, 9:42pm
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Two things here
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Arwen's daughter
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Jun 2 2011, 10:18pm
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What I mean is
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Gollum the Great
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Jun 2 2011, 11:02pm
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I'm not sure I understand
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Arwen's daughter
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Jun 2 2011, 11:10pm
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OK, time-out guys.
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Ataahua
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Jun 3 2011, 12:22am
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I'm sorry :(
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Gollum the Great
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Jun 3 2011, 2:17am
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What do you mean by mistranslation?
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Gimli'sBox
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Jun 2 2011, 9:25pm
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I mean exactly that
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Arwen's daughter
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Jun 2 2011, 10:11pm
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?
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Gollum the Great
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Jun 2 2011, 11:01pm
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I don't think so
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Arwen's daughter
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Jun 2 2011, 11:24pm
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It is also possible
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Magpie
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Jun 2 2011, 11:29pm
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Plus if kids were taught to treat everybody with maturity and not pick on anyone
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Gimli'sBox
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Jun 2 2011, 7:27pm
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I have a child who is a tad older than this discussion...
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GAndyalf
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Jun 2 2011, 8:04pm
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I definitely agree. You shouldn't talk down to kids...
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Gimli'sBox
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Jun 2 2011, 9:42pm
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I understand your point...
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GAndyalf
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Jun 2 2011, 10:10pm
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It's like what Tolkien said about books for kids:
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Aunt Dora Baggins
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Jun 4 2011, 11:16pm
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*mods way up" //
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Aunt Dora Baggins
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Jun 4 2011, 11:10pm
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My kids were certainly no older than five or six
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Aunt Dora Baggins
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Jun 4 2011, 11:06pm
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I think you handled it very well. Kind of goes along with what GAndalf
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Gimli'sBox
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Jun 5 2011, 3:31am
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I think my daughter was about kindergarten age
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Aunt Dora Baggins
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Jun 4 2011, 11:02pm
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LOL!!!
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Wraith Buster
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Jun 1 2011, 5:09pm
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YES!
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Gollum the Great
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May 31 2011, 3:42pm
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We unschool
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FantasyFan
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May 31 2011, 4:39pm
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I missed this earlier, but welcome to TORn, Lady Brynna and Gollum the Great!
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Patty
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May 31 2011, 4:52pm
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Glad to join you!
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Gollum the Great
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May 31 2011, 7:20pm
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I wanted to homeschool BUT...
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GAndyalf
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May 31 2011, 6:03pm
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I was.
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Silverlode
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May 31 2011, 7:29pm
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I don't have the patience to home school my kids. //
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Alassėa Eruvande
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May 31 2011, 7:55pm
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Yeah, I was homeschooled
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Wraith Buster
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May 31 2011, 8:22pm
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The one and only thing
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Wraith Buster
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May 31 2011, 8:30pm
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Well, the first word that came to mind was "creative."
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taekotemple
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Jun 1 2011, 6:01am
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Why would homeschooled people be any different on the LOTR point?
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SirDennisC
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Jun 1 2011, 9:14am
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Thanks
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Lady Brynna
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Jun 1 2011, 2:29pm
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More like on a broader range
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Wraith Buster
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Jun 1 2011, 4:48pm
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Nope
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Darkstone
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Jun 1 2011, 8:00pm
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My mom is supper big on reality. And common sense. And reality. Did I say common sense?
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Gimli'sBox
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Jun 1 2011, 8:19pm
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Exactly!
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Gollum the Great
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Jun 1 2011, 9:09pm
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Well
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Darkstone
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Jun 2 2011, 3:24pm
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I mean this from the bottom of my heart,
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Gollum the Great
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Jun 2 2011, 5:21pm
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Ah, I see what you're saying now.//
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Gimli'sBox
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Jun 2 2011, 7:14pm
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Wow, sad :(
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Gollum the Great
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Jun 1 2011, 8:23pm
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I work for the Public Schools in my city.
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Kangi Ska
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Jun 4 2011, 1:45am
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I'm not sure I completely agree with you.
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taekotemple
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Jun 4 2011, 8:24am
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I can't speak to which is better, but...
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Patty
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Jun 4 2011, 3:37pm
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While that's probably true,
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Oiotįri
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Jun 5 2011, 12:50am
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What's funny
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Gollum the Great
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Jun 4 2011, 4:52pm
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I'm confused
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Magpie
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Jun 4 2011, 5:16pm
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oops umm
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Gollum the Great
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Jun 4 2011, 9:48pm
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As a kid who was picked on in school...
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taekotemple
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Jun 4 2011, 8:13pm
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you're right
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Gollum the Great
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Jun 4 2011, 9:52pm
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YES! So true!
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glorinfidell
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Jun 7 2011, 4:19pm
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One of the things my dad taught me was the usage of all vs. some.
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Gimli'sBox
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Jun 5 2011, 4:25am
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My parents decided
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Oiotįri
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Jun 4 2011, 3:47am
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Okay, so I'd like to get a few things cleared up....
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Gollum the Great
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Jun 4 2011, 10:13pm
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Here's what socialization means to me.
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taekotemple
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Jun 4 2011, 11:22pm
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Regardless of your religion,
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Gollum the Great
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Jun 5 2011, 1:19am
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Some thoughts about college
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Aunt Dora Baggins
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Jun 5 2011, 1:23pm
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THANK YOU!
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Gollum the Great
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Jun 6 2011, 2:00am
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I would like to say however that
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Gimli'sBox
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Jun 5 2011, 3:43am
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That's right, not one post
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SirDennisC
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Jun 5 2011, 4:23am
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I'm confuzzled...could you explain what you mean, please?//
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Gimli'sBox
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Jun 5 2011, 4:29am
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I think
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Wraith Buster
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Jun 5 2011, 4:40am
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Ooooh! We gets it now, doesn't we precious?//
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Gimli'sBox
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Jun 5 2011, 4:42am
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That's exactly how I remember it
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SirDennisC
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Jun 5 2011, 4:14pm
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Oops I meant Lady Brynna's original premise. //
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SirDennisC
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Jun 5 2011, 5:02pm
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ratio in this poll
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Magpie
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Jun 5 2011, 5:03pm
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I agree with you, but
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SirDennisC
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Jun 5 2011, 5:38pm
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It doesn't surprise me.
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Silverlode
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Jun 5 2011, 6:42pm
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I don't think you were geeky for loving Ivanhoe!
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Gollum the Great
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Jun 5 2011, 8:44pm
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I have, but a long time ago.
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Silverlode
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Jun 5 2011, 10:09pm
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Kindred spirit!
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Gollum the Great
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Jun 5 2011, 11:42pm
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People tend to respond to polls that "ring a bell"
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Elizabeth
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Jun 5 2011, 11:41pm
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I'm proud of all of us too.
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Aunt Dora Baggins
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Jun 5 2011, 1:01pm
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so....
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Gollum the Great
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Jun 5 2011, 9:08pm
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You could start a new poll on that topic!
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taekotemple
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Jun 5 2011, 9:38pm
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that's true
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Gollum the Great
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Jun 5 2011, 11:39pm
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*mods waaay up* What an amazing post!
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Aunt Dora Baggins
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Jun 5 2011, 1:06pm
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Thanks!
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taekotemple
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Jun 5 2011, 8:53pm
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It boggles my mind that people don't pick up books
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Aunt Dora Baggins
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Jun 6 2011, 2:42am
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After watching this discussion unfold...
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Silverlode
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Jun 5 2011, 6:54pm
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I agree
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Wraith Buster
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Jun 5 2011, 7:04pm
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One famous homeschooler I do know of is Christopher Paolini
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taekotemple
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Jun 5 2011, 9:01pm
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I also found
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Silverlode
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Jun 5 2011, 10:58pm
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my mom often tells me
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Gollum the Great
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Jun 5 2011, 11:38pm
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My mom tells me that too
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Wraith Buster
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Jun 6 2011, 12:26am
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Oh yes,
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Silverlode
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Jun 6 2011, 2:22am
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Interesting...
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taekotemple
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Jun 6 2011, 6:41am
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I might have done it for my kids if I hadn't been the family breadwinner.
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Aunt Dora Baggins
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Jun 4 2011, 10:47pm
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I'm homeschooled! //
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aranelthehobbit22
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Jun 5 2011, 3:36am
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But...do you like Lord of the Rings?
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dernwyn
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Jun 5 2011, 12:07pm
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naah
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aranelthehobbit22
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Jun 6 2011, 8:54pm
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You need to widen your circle of acquaintances!
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Idril Celebrindal
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Jun 6 2011, 9:15pm
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Homeschooler!
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glorinfidell
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Jun 7 2011, 4:15pm
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I was homeschooled
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Mad Hatter of Middle-Earth
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Jun 15 2011, 8:59pm
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