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Arwen Skywalker
Lorien
Mar 30 2011, 3:57am
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"Why in the world would he trust him with it after that?"
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Get ready for a long answer:
Faramir has finally discovered Frodo's true character and motives. He could have decided Frodo's actions with the Ringwraith are yet more evidence that the hobbit is incapable of finishing his task. Surprisingly, he does not. He says: "At last we understand one another." Frodo and Sam have been assuming he's just like Boromir, which he's not. He's more of a thinker and a philosopher. Currently, he's a very depressed young man, dealing with his brother's death and the weight of responsibility for Gondor's safety and by extension all that of Middle Earth. Faramir knows that the world is depending on him, but that he does not have the strength or resources to succeed. He, also, "cannot do this". Yet he is persisting in his mission anyway, knowing the odds to be hopeless. Frodo is evidently doing much the same thing, for the same reasons. And both of them are mourning the death of a loved one: Frodo in the movie is desperately shaken by the loss of his father figure, Gandalf, and Faramir has lost the brother he loved and admired so much. So Faramir decides to sacrifice his own life on the slim chance that Frodo can succeed where he can't. "Then my life is forfeit." Noble and soft-spoken and brave: that's exactly what we'd expect of book-Faramir (who, incidentally, is not under a death sentence: he just said he would deserve to die if he made a decision that proved ill for Gondor). When the movie characters finally part ways, Frodo is going to Mount Doom with a duty he's been given by his superiors which — as Galadriel tells Elrond — he knows will claim his life. Faramir is going back to Minas Tirith with a death sentence stapled to his forehead. They do understand one another. For they are the same. And perhaps Faramir sees in Sam, who has more hope than they do, a little of the brother he misses so much. In summary, Faramir trusts Frodo go because of what they have in common: missions with hopeless odds. I agree with you that it's not the most logical reason but it's a reason nonetheless. To emphasize their connection was a good idea but the execution was pretty bad. Still, I find that scene very touching when Faramir kneels to Frodo. Actually, I found that JRRT has an English degree from Exeter. Now riddle me this: why didn't the same type of degree seem to help Stephanie Meyer (hers is from BYU)? I don't think you'll find much controversy on who's the better writer.
(This post was edited by Arwen Skywalker on Mar 30 2011, 4:00am)
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Oh the controversy!
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Arwen Skywalker
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Mar 25 2011, 3:43am
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Not as many movie fans in the Reading Room...
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Elizabeth
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Mar 25 2011, 7:36am
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The book is the story.
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jrpipik
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Mar 25 2011, 11:48am
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No, the book and the movies are different stories.
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Faenoriel
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Mar 25 2011, 1:05pm
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I don't think so.
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jrpipik
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Mar 25 2011, 1:17pm
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So with that logic, what are the movies then? The "false" story?! //
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macfalk
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Mar 25 2011, 1:51pm
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There could have been "false Hobbit", had Tolkien had his way.
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Faenoriel
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Mar 25 2011, 2:13pm
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There is a story called The Lord of the Rings...
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jrpipik
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Mar 25 2011, 3:35pm
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the first couple chapters of his attempted Hobbit rewrite have been published
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acheron
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Mar 25 2011, 4:59pm
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He indeed did
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Faenoriel
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Mar 25 2011, 5:54pm
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Thanks for the information about The Hobbit.
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jrpipik
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Mar 25 2011, 6:12pm
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It's not made by Tolkien, therefore it's independent from him.
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Faenoriel
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Mar 25 2011, 6:27pm
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What is it?
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jrpipik
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Mar 25 2011, 8:05pm
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Let's call this off
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Faenoriel
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Mar 25 2011, 9:50pm
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Amateur?
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jrpipik
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Mar 25 2011, 10:09pm
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And yet it has plenty of well ackowledged defects
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Faenoriel
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Mar 25 2011, 11:14pm
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What are your standards for being an amateur?
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jrpipik
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Mar 25 2011, 11:19pm
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No, no, no
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Faenoriel
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Mar 25 2011, 11:38pm
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I don't feel attacked...
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jrpipik
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Mar 25 2011, 11:46pm
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Good then, I was kind of worried...
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Faenoriel
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Mar 25 2011, 11:57pm
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Professional vs Amateur only means one thing.
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jrpipik
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Mar 26 2011, 12:27am
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Tolkien did indeed write "just for pleasure".
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dernwyn
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Mar 26 2011, 12:46am
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Tolkien wrote for publication.
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jrpipik
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Mar 26 2011, 1:19am
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Even one of the biographers of Tolkien
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Ataahua
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Mar 26 2011, 1:29am
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Tolkien was an amateur...
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jrpipik
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Mar 26 2011, 2:00am
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Aragorn, Gandalf and amatuers
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Arwen Skywalker
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Mar 26 2011, 1:44am
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Gandalf beating Denethor
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Faenoriel
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Mar 26 2011, 9:04am
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I was agreeing with you on the amatuer thing
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Arwen Skywalker
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Mar 26 2011, 11:36pm
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Slight interjection here...
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GAndyalf
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Mar 28 2011, 4:06am
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Amateurs
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jrpipik
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Mar 28 2011, 10:02am
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If I was to write a random book right now and publish it would not make me a professional writer. //
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macfalk
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Mar 28 2011, 11:12am
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If people bought it, it would.
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jrpipik
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Mar 28 2011, 11:29am
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A label often sticks no matter how untrue
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CuriousG
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Mar 28 2011, 3:06pm
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I'm not arguing with Tolkien's critics...
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jrpipik
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Mar 28 2011, 4:46pm
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Not necessarily
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macfalk
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Mar 28 2011, 5:14pm
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What we many semi-pro.
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jrpipik
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Mar 28 2011, 5:26pm
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Tolkien was an amateur writer.
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macfalk
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Mar 26 2011, 9:10am
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What they're saying is...
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jrpipik
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Mar 26 2011, 10:19am
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Thanks for the discussion jrpipik!
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Faenoriel
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Mar 26 2011, 9:48pm
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The movies are in no way independent.
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The Party Tree
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Mar 25 2011, 9:00pm
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Ontology
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Faenoriel
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Mar 25 2011, 9:47pm
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You don't understand the problem - or the lack of it.
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Faenoriel
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Mar 25 2011, 2:08pm
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Ignored the cautious and reasonable?
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Arwen Skywalker
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Mar 27 2011, 11:55pm
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Someone without Faramir's insight....
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jrpipik
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Mar 28 2011, 12:36am
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"Why in the world would he trust him with it after that?"
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Arwen Skywalker
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Mar 30 2011, 3:57am
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Faramir understands Frodo's burden...
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jrpipik
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Mar 30 2011, 10:15am
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*snert!*
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GAndyalf
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Mar 30 2011, 7:21pm
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forgot to mention
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Arwen Skywalker
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Apr 1 2011, 7:27pm
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That's why Sam was there...
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jrpipik
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Apr 1 2011, 8:21pm
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Technically, it was only Frodo...
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Arwen Skywalker
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Apr 3 2011, 12:41am
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Tehnicalities to one side...
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jrpipik
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Apr 3 2011, 1:10pm
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Illogical Faramir?
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Gwytha
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Apr 3 2011, 3:23pm
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I don't see Frodo as any hope at all at that point.
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jrpipik
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Apr 3 2011, 5:05pm
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I agree with some of your points
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Gwytha
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Apr 3 2011, 5:38pm
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The intuitive decision was the right one.
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jrpipik
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Apr 3 2011, 6:26pm
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Book Faramir and film Faramir are both good judges of charactar
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Gwytha
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Apr 4 2011, 1:29am
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"Blithely" is not a word I would choose.
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jrpipik
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Apr 4 2011, 3:43am
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Faramir and Frodo
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Gwytha
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Apr 4 2011, 5:43am
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Perhaps I'm not being clear...
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jrpipik
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Apr 4 2011, 10:49am
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a very late response
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Arwen Skywalker
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Apr 7 2011, 3:13am
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More Faramir and Frodo
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jrpipik
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Apr 7 2011, 10:46am
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I actually thought of putting this discussion on Main
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Arwen Skywalker
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Mar 25 2011, 6:12pm
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Frodo's lie...
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Elizabeth
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Mar 25 2011, 6:40pm
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don't like that, don't like
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a.s.
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Mar 27 2011, 3:40am
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You hit on all the points I disliked about the movie--all of them!//
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CuriousG
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Mar 28 2011, 2:56pm
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Sorry for hijacking your thread....
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Faenoriel
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Mar 25 2011, 11:33pm
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Observations; Weak Characters
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Tolkien Forever
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Mar 26 2011, 2:25am
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Book vs. Movie fans
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Elizabeth
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Mar 26 2011, 3:33am
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Aragorn left me cold on the first reading
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jrpipik
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Mar 26 2011, 4:03am
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Don't understand
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Tolkien Forever
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Mar 26 2011, 6:09am
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Sorry, middle-grounder here...
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GAndyalf
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Mar 28 2011, 3:53am
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The Uncanny Valley
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Darkstone
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Mar 28 2011, 5:51pm
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Boorman? Do you mean Bakshi?//
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GAndyalf
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Mar 28 2011, 7:58pm
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Boorman.
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Darkstone
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Mar 28 2011, 8:14pm
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Okay, thanks for the clarification!
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GAndyalf
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Mar 28 2011, 8:20pm
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"Nobody goes there anymore. It's too crowded."
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Idril Celebrindal
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Mar 31 2011, 7:10pm
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Hardly small, nor exclusive
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geordie
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Apr 1 2011, 7:53am
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LOTR sales
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macfalk
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Apr 1 2011, 8:06am
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Could that mean...
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GAndyalf
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Apr 1 2011, 2:52pm
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I'm betting readers and movie-goer numbers are pretty close.
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jrpipik
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Apr 1 2011, 2:57pm
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I hope you're right...
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GAndyalf
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Apr 1 2011, 3:05pm
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