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I never noticed that

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Lorien


Mar 6 2011, 3:12am


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I watched the movies so many times but the fact that Theoden didn't do much during Helm's Deep always managed to pass me by until you brought up that essay. I'm sure it's because of all the subplot hopping that happens during the battle. But I feel like such a thick dunce now (slaps forehead). Duh! Just a short scene with Theoden going over strategy with Gamling would have been a better use of time than goading Saruman. It would have made him a stronger character at no expense to Aragorn's development. Why didn't I think of that before?

That said, the blonde hair isn't that odd of a choice. I'm a movie-firster and I think it would have been hard to portray Grima's hold on him as psychological as it was in the book. The magical haircut is a more obvious (and time saving) way of showing that before, he was under a spell and now he's himself again. And as you pointed out, the exorcism makes the moment more dramatic, especially for those who haven't read the books. To be fair though, at least Bernard Hill looks like he could be father to Urban and Otto. In terms of the age and character issue, casting him wasn't so bad as compared to 16 year old Judy Garland as Dorothy (yeah, even the classics get it wrong sometimes). Movie-Theoden got to shine at Pelennor. Movie-Dorothy learned that there was no place like home. Not that it's a bad lesson but she didn't learn to be brave as she did in the book. While some people didn't like that movie-Theoden (among other characters) was taken on a journey to become the man he was in the book, the important thing was he was the strong leader his people needed in the end. Movie-Dorothy didn't even get that since her journey was undermined. And all the efforts to make Garland look younger were just laughable.

Actually, what always bothered me about movie-Theoden (and still does more than mostly sitting out Helm's Deep) was his "where was Gondor" rant. It just doesn't make sense when the next morning, he has a sudden change of heart once he's told that the Beacons are lit. Ironically, I also have a similar issue with book-Theoden doing a complete 180 when Gandalf talks him out of his funk. As I told CuriousG, the main problem is that we don't know what's going on in his head. Trauma might be too extreme of a word but I felt the book glossed over the psychological ramifications that happen when one has been deceived/possessed (depending on your interpretation) for so long.

It's interesting you say that Elijah Wood was a good fit for Frodo. He ended up being the youngest of the hobbit actors while Billy Boyd was the oldest of the four playing the youngest. Why do you feel that way?

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Interesting News on Sir Ian Holm... Maiarmike Send a private message to Maiarmike Mar 3 2011, 8:39am
    Very interesting indeed, Maiarmike... Patty Send a private message to Patty Mar 3 2011, 9:40am
    Yeah... I love Ian Holm... but Peter Jackson... Owain Send a private message to Owain Mar 3 2011, 9:40am
        While I agree... Bound Send a private message to Bound Mar 3 2011, 9:55am
            Right Maiarmike Send a private message to Maiarmike Mar 3 2011, 10:00am
                Have not gotten back or Kangi Ska Send a private message to Kangi Ska Mar 3 2011, 10:01am
    Perhaps... Pipe Dream Send a private message to Pipe Dream Mar 3 2011, 10:33am
    His notification has just been delayed grammaboodawg Send a private message to grammaboodawg Mar 3 2011, 11:17am
        mods up to the "Menel" Earl Send a private message to Earl Mar 3 2011, 2:32pm
        Optimism Appreciated Groppe Send a private message to Groppe Mar 3 2011, 5:29pm
            Howdy Groppe! grammaboodawg Send a private message to grammaboodawg Mar 4 2011, 1:33am
    I sure hope they can reconnect the communication link sphdle1 Send a private message to sphdle1 Mar 3 2011, 12:38pm
    he's almost 80 Welsh hero Send a private message to Welsh hero Mar 3 2011, 3:27pm
    Well rings7 Send a private message to rings7 Mar 3 2011, 4:17pm
        You may be rambling, but you make sense./ Patty Send a private message to Patty Mar 3 2011, 4:19pm
    This brings up the question of a London filming...maybe for both Eruonen Send a private message to Eruonen Mar 3 2011, 4:28pm
        This is just what I hope is in the cards./ Patty Send a private message to Patty Mar 3 2011, 6:32pm
            Sorry, but no thank you thesithempire Send a private message to thesithempire Mar 3 2011, 8:21pm
                I think you´re a bit equivocated... Ruijor Send a private message to Ruijor Mar 3 2011, 10:51pm
                    Not my implication thesithempire Send a private message to thesithempire Mar 3 2011, 11:00pm
                        Yup duats Send a private message to duats Mar 3 2011, 11:29pm
                            James Cosmo -- Holy crap, yes! thesithempire Send a private message to thesithempire Mar 3 2011, 11:50pm
                                Thanks duats Send a private message to duats Mar 4 2011, 12:03am
                                    I don't know Milknut Send a private message to Milknut Mar 4 2011, 12:22am
                                        Thoughts duats Send a private message to duats Mar 4 2011, 12:37am
                                            Duats hits it on the head thesithempire Send a private message to thesithempire Mar 4 2011, 1:38am
                                                I never noticed that Arwen Skywalker Send a private message to Arwen Skywalker Mar 6 2011, 3:12am
                                                    What you brought up about trauma affecting Theoden is interesting. taekotemple Send a private message to taekotemple Mar 6 2011, 5:50am
                                                        Frodo and Pippin thesithempire Send a private message to thesithempire Mar 6 2011, 9:54pm
                                                            Very well put - a good analysis of scriptwriting vs. performance. // squire Send a private message to squire Mar 6 2011, 10:15pm
                                                                Thanks! thesithempire Send a private message to thesithempire Mar 6 2011, 10:46pm
                                                                    Yeah, well... Maiarmike Send a private message to Maiarmike Mar 6 2011, 11:02pm
                                                                        True and true thesithempire Send a private message to thesithempire Mar 7 2011, 9:40am
                                                                    I think you also have to factor in entmaiden Send a private message to entmaiden Mar 6 2011, 11:07pm
                                                        PSTD Arwen Skywalker Send a private message to Arwen Skywalker Mar 7 2011, 8:55am
                                                            A more realistic portrayal: Kangi Ska Send a private message to Kangi Ska Mar 7 2011, 9:57am
    The longer they take... Ruijor Send a private message to Ruijor Mar 3 2011, 4:41pm
        Same thoughts as Ruijor Maddie Send a private message to Maddie Mar 3 2011, 5:04pm
    OMG what would be amazing if he gets the chance! sushiking Send a private message to sushiking Mar 3 2011, 6:01pm
    It would be nice... Donry Send a private message to Donry Mar 3 2011, 6:30pm
        I hope too KAOS82 Send a private message to KAOS82 Mar 4 2011, 12:25am
    OMG! What are they waititng for?!? Call him back, now! xxxyyy Send a private message to xxxyyy Mar 4 2011, 1:43am
    Old Post of mine that could indicate where Jackson & Co are headed Faramond Send a private message to Faramond Mar 4 2011, 5:47pm
    Ian holm... Namssil Send a private message to Namssil Mar 4 2011, 6:29pm
    Ian Holm willowing Send a private message to willowing Mar 5 2011, 5:03am

 
 
 

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