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In the book "Lord of the Rings" Tolkien meticulously plotted out the time-lines.

Kangi Ska
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Jan 18 2011, 4:07pm

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In the book "Lord of the Rings" Tolkien meticulously plotted out the time-lines. [In reply to]	Can't Post

The Novel is told in segments and not sequentially. Two or more things are happening at the same time at different locations and Tolkien chose to interlace these various time/plot lines and uses this process to support the dramatic telling of the story. There is nothing wrong with what Tolkien did but his structure would have been very difficult to translate to film. Peter chose to create a different plot/time line structure to make his job of making his films easier. I can not see how this can be construed as Peter correcting Tolkien's mistake. But you may prefer PJ's way better but it has has a lot more logical problems than Tolkien's original did.

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(This post was edited by entmaiden on Jan 18 2011, 4:23pm)

Subject	User	Time
LOTR Failures and problem choices which Peter should not repeat in The Hobbit	AinurOlorin	Jan 17 2011, 7:11am
Here we go again...	sador	Jan 17 2011, 7:54am
Long time lurker responds	Vellamo	Jan 17 2011, 4:02pm
Why only Jackson	shadowdog	Jan 18 2011, 1:18am
I want you to feel free to elaborate.	Kangi Ska	Jan 18 2011, 1:31am
Just a couple off the top of my head	shadowdog	Jan 18 2011, 3:45pm
In the book "Lord of the Rings" Tolkien meticulously plotted out the time-lines.	Kangi Ska	Jan 18 2011, 4:07pm
OT: you had a hilarious typo in your subject line	entmaiden	Jan 18 2011, 4:24pm
What's this anger about a maia and a human king?	lurtz2010	Jan 17 2011, 8:04am
no...	nobofthepony	Jan 17 2011, 12:15pm
Dawn take you all, and be stone to you!	Pipe Dream	Jan 17 2011, 1:08pm
Remember Helm's Deep	Altaira	Jan 17 2011, 1:55pm
Well...	Pipe Dream	Jan 17 2011, 2:28pm
Forgive me for not replying to everyone by name or post	AinurOlorin	Jan 17 2011, 10:54pm
My biggest fear for the Hobbit	Kangi Ska	Jan 18 2011, 12:00am
Agreed	LordMaximus	Jan 18 2011, 12:17am
There are a host of cameos of minor significance.	AinurOlorin	Jan 18 2011, 1:38am
I think you are going to be disappointed in the Hobbit movies	Kangi Ska	Jan 17 2011, 8:11am
Touche	Milknut	Jan 17 2011, 8:24am
QFT!!	Darkstone	Jan 17 2011, 5:02pm
I think you are missing something about the Hobbit.	Kangi Ska	Jan 17 2011, 9:43am
The problem with Glorfindel	macfalk	Jan 17 2011, 11:54am
It is just a movie	makonix	Jan 17 2011, 2:11pm
LIKE LIKE LIKE !!!!!!!	Lindele	Jan 18 2011, 12:41am
Book vs movie and interpretations of them	renzn	Jan 18 2011, 8:54pm
Are you fixing The Hobbit, or LotR?	squire	Jan 17 2011, 2:24pm
It needn't be that way	Flagg	Jan 17 2011, 6:22pm
It is interesting that you mention the point about Gandalf's magic...	sphdle1	Jan 17 2011, 5:14pm
Well	macfalk	Jan 17 2011, 6:22pm
I didn't forget the forcefield bubble, etc.	sphdle1	Jan 17 2011, 7:49pm
Gandalf has his abilities very much restricted.	Elladan	Jan 17 2011, 7:18pm
Gandalf was referred to as	Bran	Jan 17 2011, 7:37pm
Why does a wizard's strength	Ataahua	Jan 17 2011, 7:44pm
Part of a great wizard to me is having the ability to show their power	sphdle1	Jan 17 2011, 8:03pm
Agreed	DiveTwin	Jan 17 2011, 10:29pm
Wow.	Lindele	Jan 18 2011, 12:45am
Nothing worse than a Cheese Wizard!//	Kangi Ska	Jan 18 2011, 12:54am
Having read the books allows one to note the instances of Gandalf's magic and it's implementation	AinurOlorin	Jan 18 2011, 1:46am
lol...reducing Gandalf to a wise old man beating people with a stick is quite cheesy	sphdle1	Jan 18 2011, 1:01pm
sphdle1	macfalk	Jan 18 2011, 1:13pm
I know we can't completely compare	sphdle1	Jan 18 2011, 2:31pm
Dumbledore was not based on Gandalf	entmaiden	Jan 18 2011, 2:41pm
Rowling	macfalk	Jan 18 2011, 2:44pm
that was what I had heard, but none the less	sphdle1	Jan 18 2011, 2:52pm
Maybe	Lindele	Jan 18 2011, 3:23pm
No I'll watch both	sphdle1	Jan 19 2011, 1:44pm
I love hearing your pespective, sphdle	Altaira	Jan 18 2011, 6:46pm
thx ...	sphdle1	Jan 18 2011, 8:15pm
sphdle1	macfalk	Jan 18 2011, 8:27pm
I was just about to suggest the audio tapes	entmaiden	Jan 18 2011, 9:12pm
Yeah I've heard about those...	sphdle1	Jan 19 2011, 1:47pm
I kinda doubt J.Ks word on this.	AinurOlorin	Jan 18 2011, 11:23pm
I tend to agree	sphdle1	Jan 19 2011, 1:51pm
I don't know if you got a look at the list I made a few posts back	AinurOlorin	Jan 19 2011, 2:05pm
thx ... I saw that.//	sphdle1	Jan 19 2011, 2:15pm
Not Merlin, but V�in�m�inen and Odin	Finrod	Jan 19 2011, 2:44pm
Midg�rd	macfalk	Jan 19 2011, 2:49pm
I think she was telling the truth	Flagg	Jan 19 2011, 3:39pm
hedge wizards vs divine messengers	Finrod	Jan 18 2011, 6:59pm
Yeah	Bran	Jan 18 2011, 7:10pm
I think, only now,	Ataahua	Jan 18 2011, 7:59pm
Very well said, and all true to boot. Thanks.	Kangi Ska	Jan 18 2011, 11:08pm
Finrod, I won't repost all that you said. . . But Amen, brother. Amen.	AinurOlorin	Jan 19 2011, 4:40am
So it sounds like in the books he did great things...	sphdle1	Jan 19 2011, 2:08pm
Yup. He was robbed.	AinurOlorin	Jan 19 2011, 2:16pm
As has been said, there is a broad expanse of middle ground	AinurOlorin	Jan 18 2011, 9:22pm
I liked the films' treatment of the Balrog	Flagg	Jan 19 2011, 3:49pm
What some people find cheesy, others find spectacular	sphdle1	Jan 18 2011, 12:49pm
I can see where you're coming from	Lindele	Jan 18 2011, 1:33pm
He doesn't have to be about magic, he nevertheless has great powers of magic	AinurOlorin	Jan 18 2011, 9:53pm
Disagree	Lindele	Jan 18 2011, 10:20pm
Book to film adaptations	Allanon	Jan 17 2011, 5:31pm
Exactly!	Darkstone	Jan 17 2011, 5:40pm
OMG! Glorfindel IS in The Hobbit!	Darkstone	Jan 17 2011, 5:36pm
I happen to think...	Pipe Dream	Jan 17 2011, 9:18pm
How about	Bran	Jan 17 2011, 9:31pm
I really can not think of any good reason for creating such a seen in the Hobbit.	Kangi Ska	Jan 17 2011, 10:03pm
Lead Pipe?	Pipe Dream	Jan 17 2011, 10:14pm
Well, there is a fat stay-at-home hobbit...	sador	Jan 17 2011, 10:22pm
It's fine. /	Ataahua	Jan 17 2011, 11:31pm
And according to The Hobbit, he does have that moment...	Earl	Jan 18 2011, 2:24pm
Regarding things they shouldn't repeat...	FrodoEyes	Jan 17 2011, 9:19pm
yes	CuChulainn	Jan 17 2011, 11:02pm
I'm with you.	AinurOlorin	Jan 18 2011, 12:02am
the ring	nenyacaster	Jan 18 2011, 1:33am
No, his ring wouldn't have effected that.	AinurOlorin	Jan 18 2011, 1:49am
Gandalf's fire and his ring	Bran	Jan 18 2011, 9:28am
Well these things seem to represent a magical wizard to me.	Owain	Jan 18 2011, 5:31am
Well, now. . .	AinurOlorin	Jan 18 2011, 7:14am
Yeah... I'm not giving anyone carte blanche...	Owain	Jan 18 2011, 7:31am
To clarify...	Owain	Jan 18 2011, 12:20pm
interesting	Bombadil21	Jan 18 2011, 12:49pm
Right... exactly.	Owain	Jan 18 2011, 12:54pm
It could be argued that what Jackson chose to emphasize...	Owain	Jan 18 2011, 1:03pm
I am uptight about it.	AinurOlorin	Jan 18 2011, 9:15pm
Hey AinurOlarin...	Owain	Jan 18 2011, 9:30pm
With due respect to everyone,	Bran	Jan 18 2011, 9:34pm
You keep mentioning Arwen	Elladan	Jan 18 2011, 1:47pm
I like to think of the Arwen moment that way as well, however no neophyte will.	AinurOlorin	Jan 18 2011, 10:10pm
As a movie firster	Arwen Skywalker	Jan 19 2011, 4:16am
I agree about the staff	Flagg	Jan 19 2011, 3:57pm
Gandalf has no staff	FarFromHome	Jan 20 2011, 8:57pm
My mistake	Flagg	Jan 20 2011, 9:37pm
I have a problem with the whole blasted thing, but I agree with you whole heartedly at the last point.	AinurOlorin	Jan 21 2011, 6:33am
I am a movie-onlyer and	sphdle1	Jan 19 2011, 5:36pm
It's in the RotK extended edition	Flagg	Jan 19 2011, 5:40pm
The point, as misguided as it was...	Captain Salt	Jan 19 2011, 7:20pm
The answer may be in the	Bran	Jan 19 2011, 7:50pm
Actually, mortal weapons could no longer harm Gandalf after his reincarnation.	AinurOlorin	Jan 20 2011, 2:33am
No it didn't! It NEVER happened. It is a lie! An illusion.	AinurOlorin	Jan 19 2011, 10:29pm
BUT I saw it and it happened!	Kangi Ska	Jan 19 2011, 10:42pm
Nope, you didn't	AinurOlorin	Jan 20 2011, 2:37am
SuperGandalf	macfalk	Jan 19 2011, 10:48pm
Well, it was an exaggerated version....	dormouse	Jan 19 2011, 11:11pm
One of my most favorite scenes in the Book and Peter should have done just as Tolkien did.	Kangi Ska	Jan 19 2011, 11:37pm
The problem is they upped the tension excessively	AinurOlorin	Jan 20 2011, 2:43am
No, just a superArwen who can drown Nazgul with a chant.	AinurOlorin	Jan 20 2011, 2:30am
They did show some display in FOTR, but it was just a teaser	sphdle1	Jan 18 2011, 2:07pm
Ginny Weasley!	macfalk	Jan 18 2011, 2:14pm
Hey I have a crush on Ginny Weasely...	Earl	Jan 18 2011, 2:27pm
but that is the level of magic Gandalf showed throughout the 3 movies	sphdle1	Jan 18 2011, 2:36pm
Maybe so	macfalk	Jan 18 2011, 2:48pm
I suspect you will be disappointed	entmaiden	Jan 18 2011, 2:17pm
That puts in it better perspective	sphdle1	Jan 18 2011, 2:46pm
I will give you some examples from the books. . . things the revisionists would keep from you (da dan daaaaant!) lol	AinurOlorin	Jan 19 2011, 2:25am
Sounds like that is a somewhat pivotal moment in TH...	sphdle1	Jan 19 2011, 2:14pm
I agree that	Bran	Jan 18 2011, 3:27pm
Which is a clear and lucid exposition	sador	Jan 18 2011, 3:33pm
I disagree	Flagg	Jan 18 2011, 4:37pm
Yes I agree	Bran	Jan 18 2011, 5:41pm
Perfectly said. As Elrond and Aragorn make plain.	AinurOlorin	Jan 19 2011, 2:35am
Gandalf is essential.	AinurOlorin	Jan 18 2011, 11:37pm
By the way... failure is pretty harsh word... for some of the most...	Owain	Jan 18 2011, 5:39am
Please no	Captain Salt	Jan 19 2011, 12:16am
Those wern't horse droppings.	Kangi Ska	Jan 19 2011, 12:21am
All right, Triceratops droppings, then!	Captain Salt	Jan 19 2011, 12:24am
Did you see Jurasic Park? Talk about deroppings!//	Kangi Ska	Jan 19 2011, 12:26am
Yep...	Captain Salt	Jan 19 2011, 12:34am
I actually liked all the scenes you mentioned and the way the humor was done...	sphdle1	Jan 19 2011, 2:33pm
sphdle1	macfalk	Jan 19 2011, 2:37pm
I'll have to some day, but first I'd like to see the extended versions of LOTR.//	sphdle1	Jan 19 2011, 5:20pm

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