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Samuel Walters
Bree


Nov 19 2010, 12:33pm


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On a number of points. First off, do you think that "any reasonably talented composer could fill in" for Howard Shore on The Hobbit? Would any reasonably talented author be able to write sequels to LOTR? And have them be the received and viewed and enjoyed the same as the originals? Both Shore and Williams are intimately linked with the LOTR/Star Wars film franchises because of not only their style, but thematic composition. These composers literally create a significant part of the fabric of these films. Replacing them would fundamentally alter the language of the music and, therefore, the films themselves. Could it be done? Of course. But the results would be significant and detrimental.

You offer Harry Potter as an example. But I disagree with you on a number of points. First, the first three HP films aren't as rich in themes and motifs as either LOTR or Star Wars. No one looks at HP 1-3 and sees the same level of thematic work as Star Wars and LOTR. Secondly, and more importantly, the music for the Harry Potter sequels has not "worked out pretty well." Many film score fans see the scores for films 4-6 as middling at best. And while I actually enjoy the scores for HP 6&7.1, there's a bigger problem than critical reviews: Most significantly, nearly *all* of the thematic work Williams did for HP (relatively minimal though it was) is absent from these films. Occasionally you'll hear "Hedwig's Theme," and perhaps the "Quidditch Theme," but that's about it. Musically, there's no coherence between the Williams compositions and those of Doyle, Hooper and Desplat. They simply don't result the same "opus" that six films of Star Wars (and likely five films of LOTR/Hobbit) represent. Furthermore, even when replacement composers have tried to utilize many Williams themes in a score, the results have not been particularly spectacular in terms of musical coherence (see: Superman Returns).

So if you want a Hobbit film or Star Wars film essentially absent of the thematic work, not to mention musical styles and sensibilities, created by the original composer, then you're entitled to your opinion. But to say that there'd be no fundamental change would be erroneous. The music is as important to Star Wars as it is to LOTR/Hobbit. Star Wars is rich in thematic work unlike just about any other franchise out there -- save, perhaps, LOTR.
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Howard Shore Going There... Back Again News from Bree Send a private message to News from Bree Nov 18 2010, 4:22am
    Woohoo Rosie-with-the-ribbons Send a private message to Rosie-with-the-ribbons Nov 18 2010, 9:51am
        Yeah me too Earl Send a private message to Earl Nov 18 2010, 9:55am
            And me.... dormouse Send a private message to dormouse Nov 18 2010, 10:49am
        hadn't Howard talked about it last year in NYC, as well? Magpie Send a private message to Magpie Nov 18 2010, 12:42pm
            Yeah, you've posted Doug's comments about the same here as well... Earl Send a private message to Earl Nov 18 2010, 12:56pm
            If I remember correctly Rosie-with-the-ribbons Send a private message to Rosie-with-the-ribbons Nov 18 2010, 8:01pm
            I remember ... Samuel Walters Send a private message to Samuel Walters Nov 19 2010, 1:19am
                Wouldn't it? Flagg Send a private message to Flagg Nov 19 2010, 11:59am
                    Strongly disagree Samuel Walters Send a private message to Samuel Walters Nov 19 2010, 12:33pm
                        First of all Flagg Send a private message to Flagg Nov 19 2010, 1:29pm
                            Well ... Samuel Walters Send a private message to Samuel Walters Nov 19 2010, 2:03pm
                            or... sharku Send a private message to sharku Nov 20 2010, 10:12am
                                Perhaps. Flagg Send a private message to Flagg Nov 20 2010, 3:49pm
                                I would vote for Ennio Morricone. Hamfast Send a private message to Hamfast Nov 20 2010, 6:35pm
    Was fairly sure he'd be there... Bexlin Send a private message to Bexlin Nov 18 2010, 11:59am
    Awesome news... sphdle1 Send a private message to sphdle1 Nov 18 2010, 12:13pm
    howard shore's music is a very important element of the films! Silmaril Nov 18 2010, 12:37pm
        No argument there ! Huan71 Send a private message to Huan71 Nov 18 2010, 12:45pm
            Well, not everyone agrees :-) Magpie Send a private message to Magpie Nov 18 2010, 2:39pm
                fair comment magpie.... Huan71 Send a private message to Huan71 Nov 18 2010, 11:14pm
                For instance. N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Nov 18 2010, 11:33pm
                    To be fair, that particular author is a major critic of the films Voronwë_the_Faithful Send a private message to Voronwë_the_Faithful Nov 19 2010, 12:12am
                        Could be. N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Nov 19 2010, 2:18am
                            Corrolation, if not causation Voronwë_the_Faithful Send a private message to Voronwë_the_Faithful Nov 19 2010, 2:37am
                                Maybe I disliked the film because I disliked the score. // N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Nov 19 2010, 2:44am
                                    Not likely Voronwë_the_Faithful Send a private message to Voronwë_the_Faithful Nov 19 2010, 3:18am
                                at another forum.... Magpie Send a private message to Magpie Nov 19 2010, 3:01am
                                    The only one that I can think of off the top of my head Voronwë_the_Faithful Send a private message to Voronwë_the_Faithful Nov 19 2010, 3:20am
                    Shore macfalk Send a private message to macfalk Nov 19 2010, 7:31am
        I can. Flagg Send a private message to Flagg Nov 18 2010, 2:05pm
            Let's just say Lindele Send a private message to Lindele Nov 18 2010, 2:12pm
            Zimmer macfalk Send a private message to macfalk Nov 18 2010, 4:15pm
                John Williams... shadow0421 Send a private message to shadow0421 Nov 18 2010, 4:49pm
    King Kong, anyone? B.R.n Send a private message to B.R.n Nov 18 2010, 2:22pm
        I don't think Lindele Send a private message to Lindele Nov 18 2010, 2:34pm
        a bus could fall on his head, too. Magpie Send a private message to Magpie Nov 18 2010, 2:35pm
            LOTR fans ... at least the fans of the movies ... Slayer_Of_Orcs Send a private message to Slayer_Of_Orcs Nov 18 2010, 3:22pm
        king kong was something different. Silmaril Nov 18 2010, 4:30pm
    Yesssssss Slayer_Of_Orcs Send a private message to Slayer_Of_Orcs Nov 18 2010, 3:06pm
    I am delighted to hear this news. Hamfast Send a private message to Hamfast Nov 18 2010, 3:26pm
    Great. I hope macfalk Send a private message to macfalk Nov 18 2010, 4:15pm
    David Holmes B.R.n Send a private message to B.R.n Nov 18 2010, 4:22pm
        Summoning Silmaril Nov 18 2010, 4:34pm
            Maybe you're right. Hamfast Send a private message to Hamfast Nov 18 2010, 11:59pm
                Summoning Silmaril Nov 19 2010, 7:32am
                    Do you own physical copies of Summoning? Hamfast Send a private message to Hamfast Nov 19 2010, 3:28pm
                        summoning cd Silmaril Nov 20 2010, 5:13pm
                            Darn. Hamfast Send a private message to Hamfast Nov 20 2010, 6:18pm
                                lyrics Silmaril Nov 21 2010, 10:47am
        ^&%^&%^&% B.R.n Send a private message to B.R.n Nov 18 2010, 4:35pm
            What the rings7 Send a private message to rings7 Nov 18 2010, 8:02pm
        How about Tangarine Dream or modest mouse or Elvis? // Kangi Ska Send a private message to Kangi Ska Nov 18 2010, 5:17pm
            T.Dream and Inferno Huan71 Send a private message to Huan71 Nov 18 2010, 11:53pm
                Sarcasm does not work well on the interweb. Kangi Ska Send a private message to Kangi Ska Nov 19 2010, 12:30am
                    don't worry old chap.. Huan71 Send a private message to Huan71 Nov 19 2010, 12:54am
                        Kangi runs flapping and screaming into the night! Kangi Ska Send a private message to Kangi Ska Nov 19 2010, 1:54am
        How about... Huan71 Send a private message to Huan71 Nov 19 2010, 1:05am
            Good for you Huan ! Hamfast Send a private message to Hamfast Nov 20 2010, 12:43am
                I must confess.. Huan71 Send a private message to Huan71 Nov 20 2010, 10:03am
                    I do feel the same way. Hamfast Send a private message to Hamfast Nov 20 2010, 6:07pm
    Incredible composer. The music for the trilogy is... Owain Send a private message to Owain Nov 18 2010, 4:44pm
    musical consistency Welsh hero Send a private message to Welsh hero Nov 18 2010, 7:05pm
    Things are falling into place! Daeorn Aldalómë Send a private message to Daeorn Aldalómë Nov 19 2010, 1:25pm
    Hooray! StarElf Send a private message to StarElf Nov 20 2010, 7:10am
    Funny how I just sort of took that for granted Kyriel Send a private message to Kyriel Nov 20 2010, 2:08pm
    Only Howard Shore ... peleowyn Send a private message to peleowyn Nov 25 2010, 5:55am

 
 
 

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