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Internal consistency

Arwen Skywalker
Lorien


Nov 13 2010, 5:15pm


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With Treebeard, I've never noticed this inconsistency before but maybe that's because I was so engrossed in the crawling pace of their moot. Still, it reminds me of people who refuse to see a doctor in real life because they don't want to know they have a problem. And it could be that he didn't know the extent of Isengard's damage.

While I see how the Osgiliath scenes harm the story for reasons other than purism, I really don't really get how Haldir being at Helm's Deep and Faramir being tempted by the Ring do that (especially given the flashback the EE). I don't have a problem with those and some book-firsters don't either. That being said, one change that always stuck out to me like a sore thumb was the rangers beating up Gollum. Even before I read the books, that part always seemed pointless. But I have a similar opinion to BRN about the films.

Theoden's transformation: I didn't like ambiguity in the book on whether he was possessed or merely deceived. So I don't mind the cartoony nature of the haircut and dye job.

Sam's journey with the Ring: The fact that we didn't know whether he had it created a different kind of drama. That (IMHO) greatly made up for the lack of suspense with Frodo.

With ROTK, the short answer is that the EE had a lot of good additions but there was also a lot of filler. We get to see more Grond. Yawn. And I'll never understand why Jackson added back extra scenes with the Dead Army when he didn't even like that part of the story. They added nothing to the story and I'm sure there's other stuff on the cutting room floor that PJ liked better and most fans would have been more pleased with. Replace those scenes with more Houses of Healing and I'd be a happy camper.

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New Martin Freeman Interview Alex Maglor Send a private message to Alex Maglor Nov 10 2010, 10:16am
    Translation Welsh hero Send a private message to Welsh hero Nov 10 2010, 10:26am
        I love online translations.... dormouse Send a private message to dormouse Nov 10 2010, 2:43pm
            I'm working on the translation right now Empedocles Send a private message to Empedocles Nov 10 2010, 2:58pm
                I'll delete mine... Bound Send a private message to Bound Nov 10 2010, 3:16pm
                    So More Changes After All TheGoblinKing Send a private message to TheGoblinKing Nov 10 2010, 3:39pm
                    Here it goes. It was done really fast so sorry for any mistakes you may find Empedocles Send a private message to Empedocles Nov 10 2010, 3:42pm
                        Empedocles King Isildur of Gondor Send a private message to King Isildur of Gondor Nov 10 2010, 4:35pm
                        Thanks for the translation dormouse Send a private message to dormouse Nov 10 2010, 5:17pm
                            No problem at all...glad I could help Empedocles Send a private message to Empedocles Nov 10 2010, 5:23pm
                        Thank you for the translation.// Owain Send a private message to Owain Nov 10 2010, 11:31pm
                        Thanks for the translation Empedocles... Earl Send a private message to Earl Nov 11 2010, 1:10pm
                            Agreed! Gandalf'sMother Nov 11 2010, 2:39pm
                        Here HE goes...! Timdalf Send a private message to Timdalf Nov 11 2010, 4:11pm
                            Scripts still not complete?! thesithempire Send a private message to thesithempire Nov 11 2010, 7:11pm
                                PJ: Don't overdo it! Freeman is Perfect As-Is thesithempire Send a private message to thesithempire Nov 11 2010, 7:23pm
                                    I agree about the size doubles Flagg Send a private message to Flagg Nov 11 2010, 7:34pm
                                    All the hobbits wore wigs Garfeimao Send a private message to Garfeimao Nov 11 2010, 7:41pm
                                        Stunt doubles thesithempire Send a private message to thesithempire Nov 11 2010, 8:25pm
                                Actually, the only time it was excellent "to you" was Fellowship of the Ring. :-) // Tim Send a private message to Tim Nov 11 2010, 7:36pm
                                which version of the book? Garfeimao Send a private message to Garfeimao Nov 11 2010, 7:43pm
                                    Tolkien was the master thesithempire Send a private message to thesithempire Nov 11 2010, 8:11pm
                                    I think we're reading too far into things Empedocles Send a private message to Empedocles Nov 11 2010, 8:24pm
                                I think the LOTR scripts suffered entmaiden Send a private message to entmaiden Nov 11 2010, 7:58pm
                                    History is repeating itself. Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone Nov 11 2010, 8:19pm
                                        Yes, but this time it was their choice entmaiden Send a private message to entmaiden Nov 11 2010, 8:27pm
                                Wow have I been wrong all this time... Crunchable Birdses Send a private message to Crunchable Birdses Nov 11 2010, 8:09pm
                                    Perhaps you were... thesithempire Send a private message to thesithempire Nov 11 2010, 8:18pm
                                All fans are the same? Arwen Skywalker Send a private message to Arwen Skywalker Nov 12 2010, 8:50pm
                                    Off-Topic thesithempire Send a private message to thesithempire Nov 13 2010, 5:07am
                                        . B.R.n Send a private message to B.R.n Nov 13 2010, 8:56am
                                            Just a reminder entmaiden Send a private message to entmaiden Nov 13 2010, 1:36pm
                                        Internal consistency Arwen Skywalker Send a private message to Arwen Skywalker Nov 13 2010, 5:15pm
                                            Internal In-consistency thesithempire Send a private message to thesithempire Nov 13 2010, 7:10pm
                                                A couple of meagre thoughts Flagg Send a private message to Flagg Nov 13 2010, 7:57pm
                                                    Smeagol lied thesithempire Send a private message to thesithempire Nov 13 2010, 9:23pm
                                                        Smeagol and Gollum scheming Arwen Skywalker Send a private message to Arwen Skywalker Nov 14 2010, 12:40am
                                                            Well, I take back what I said thesithempire Send a private message to thesithempire Nov 14 2010, 9:17am
                                                        I suppose Flagg Send a private message to Flagg Nov 14 2010, 2:33pm
                                                            Good theories thesithempire Send a private message to thesithempire Nov 14 2010, 5:47pm
                                                                Three volumes, six books, sixty-two chapters. N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Nov 14 2010, 6:52pm
                                                                    How about six three hour adaptations instead? thesithempire Send a private message to thesithempire Nov 14 2010, 7:04pm
                                                                        Incidentally, Flagg Send a private message to Flagg Nov 14 2010, 9:55pm
                                                                            I think 18 hours was pushing it! thesithempire Send a private message to thesithempire Nov 14 2010, 10:08pm
                                                            I agree with shadowdog Send a private message to shadowdog Nov 14 2010, 9:28pm
                                                        The Return of the King game... Flagg Send a private message to Flagg Nov 17 2010, 1:47pm
                                                            The Dead thesithempire Send a private message to thesithempire Nov 22 2010, 7:55pm
                                                    videogames B.R.n Send a private message to B.R.n Nov 14 2010, 9:21am
                                                        More Mouth thesithempire Send a private message to thesithempire Nov 14 2010, 5:23pm
                                                yes, hopefully PJ and crew won't feel rushed Doriath Send a private message to Doriath Nov 13 2010, 8:12pm
                                                    The benefit of experience thesithempire Send a private message to thesithempire Nov 13 2010, 9:28pm
    Ran it through Google Translator macfalk Send a private message to macfalk Nov 10 2010, 10:59am
        from google translater.. Bound Send a private message to Bound Nov 10 2010, 12:30pm
            He sounds confident. Flagg Send a private message to Flagg Nov 10 2010, 1:09pm
            Thanks for the translation shadowdog Send a private message to shadowdog Nov 10 2010, 2:38pm
            I'm a bit concerned duats Send a private message to duats Nov 10 2010, 7:23pm
                No need. Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone Nov 10 2010, 7:42pm
                More a cse of refining, I should think dormouse Send a private message to dormouse Nov 10 2010, 7:51pm
                I agree... Bound Send a private message to Bound Nov 10 2010, 8:00pm
                    It doesn't unsettle me at all Tim Send a private message to Tim Nov 10 2010, 8:06pm
                        Perhaps... Gandalf'sMother Nov 11 2010, 5:15am
                            That same process did more things right than wrong for me Tim Send a private message to Tim Nov 11 2010, 5:18am
                            It was the opposite. FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Nov 11 2010, 10:43am
                I think most writers here can identify with the saying: Ainu Laire Send a private message to Ainu Laire Nov 10 2010, 8:01pm
                    Thank you for saying this! Arwen Skywalker Send a private message to Arwen Skywalker Nov 10 2010, 9:49pm
                This is normal in the industry Garfeimao Send a private message to Garfeimao Nov 11 2010, 4:06pm
    He'll... King Isildur of Gondor Send a private message to King Isildur of Gondor Nov 10 2010, 1:37pm
    Shooting-Schedule Question... CINE Send a private message to CINE Nov 11 2010, 9:15pm
        Actor schedule vs. shooting schedule entmaiden Send a private message to entmaiden Nov 11 2010, 9:43pm
            Logistics CINE Send a private message to CINE Nov 11 2010, 9:57pm
                Yes, plus all the Gollum work entmaiden Send a private message to entmaiden Nov 11 2010, 10:45pm
            Kinda like a major league sports schedule Garfeimao Send a private message to Garfeimao Nov 11 2010, 10:48pm
            entmaiden macfalk Send a private message to macfalk Nov 12 2010, 9:28am
                . B.R.n Send a private message to B.R.n Nov 12 2010, 12:30pm
                    The Hobbit is imo Tolkiens true masterpiece. // macfalk Send a private message to macfalk Nov 12 2010, 12:37pm
                    Don't think of the Dwarves as individuals. N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Nov 12 2010, 5:55pm
                        Like the Keystone Kops. Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone Nov 12 2010, 6:08pm
                I agree, but with two movies entmaiden Send a private message to entmaiden Nov 12 2010, 3:15pm
                    Yes... dormouse Send a private message to dormouse Nov 12 2010, 3:25pm
                    Andy Serkis? B.R.n Send a private message to B.R.n Nov 12 2010, 5:23pm
                        What makes you so sure Flagg Send a private message to Flagg Nov 12 2010, 5:50pm
                            In addition Silverlode Send a private message to Silverlode Nov 12 2010, 8:07pm

 
 
 

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