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I don't think this was about industrial action.

Silverlode
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Oct 29 2010, 4:38am


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I don't think this was about industrial action. [In reply to] Can't Post

But the industrial action (boycott) paved the way for this. As I understand it, WB asked for 3 things:

1. Assurance of industrial peace. The unions gave them that with their very belated "unconditional assurance". If they'd never called a boycott or lifted it as soon as it was pointed out that their demands were impossible and illegal, the studio would not have gotten involved, and would never have questioned the conditions. BUT, as PJ kept saying, the damage was done within a week - WB was aware and involved. And it was left up for a month, for no apparent reason, which does not inspire confidence and by the end of which the studio was threatening to go elsewhere, which led to meetings in NZ, which gave them the opportunity to make other demands while they were at it. Perfect time to ask for a little extra sweetening of the pot. So they went on to ask for:

2. Tax breaks. They knew they could get a better rate elsewhere, and they'd been willing to settle for the current rate in NZ, but now that they've had to come all the way down there and sort this out....

3. Clarification of employment status. To the mind of an American, the idea of signing a contract as one thing but later being able to declare that you're really something else is vague and baffling. The fact that there had already been a lawsuit involving PJ's company dealing with this, and the ruling flip-flopped a couple times might be seen as an open door for problems in the future. So while we're all sitting here talking, we'd like to clear this one up once and for all......

So some of the arguments I heard during the parliamentary debate are perfectly valid, in that WB undoubtedly took full advantage of the situation and used it to get what they wanted. But it wasn't John Key and it wasn't the protests that created the situation - it was the botched union action. So WB, being much much better at this game, used the industrial action for a little action of their own to gain advantage. Does that make WB the bad guys? It makes them just what they are: a big company that knows how to play hardball without ruining their own game (unions take note). John Key saved some advantage for NZ out of the wreckage, and there probably wasn't much else he could do other than kiss the Hobbit goodbye and be blamed for that. The unions have now lost this battle twice over, in the public eye and in the Parliament.

The following is pure speculation on my part, but I've begun to wonder if the reason NZ Equity went after the Hobbit in the first place was precisely because they thought it was unassailable and untouchable and therefore a safe bet to attack and get publicity out of in their attempt to address problems with the industry as a whole. PJ is such a giant in NZ, I think it never occurred to them that they could actually bring down the production, hence their baffled protests of innocent and relatively minor intentions during the last month. Along comes the head of the Australian union, calling a boycott they apparently never actually asked for(!), for reasons best known to himself, and drops a tanker's worth of gasoline on their little protest flame. Turns out the giant has a weakness after all, which is the need to keep the trust of the studio, the even bigger giant in the cave across the ocean. Before NZ Equity knew it, all attention was focused on the wounded giant, the really huge giant had arrived on the scene waving a big club and demanding apologies and restitution all 'round or else, and any chance of their being heard in the commotion was utterly gone. The urgency derives from the spectacle of a very large giant with a very large club and the mob of public opinion fueled by media attention waving torches and pitchforks. I'm sure it seems rather urgent to make it all go away as quickly as possible. And that, ladies and gentlemen, is how we found ourselves where we are today.

Silverlode

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Subject User Time
Parliament Passes Hobbit Bill Elentari03 Send a private message to Elentari03 Oct 29 2010, 12:43am
    I still don't understand duats Send a private message to duats Oct 29 2010, 12:45am
        I don't either Tim Send a private message to Tim Oct 29 2010, 12:50am
            never ending headache? Melkors_Wrath Send a private message to Melkors_Wrath Oct 29 2010, 12:59am
            So the unions push for changes and end up worse in the sense Eruonen Send a private message to Eruonen Oct 29 2010, 1:43am
                Not sure if this explains it any better, but.... Iolite Send a private message to Iolite Oct 29 2010, 3:26am
        They lose recourse Gildor Send a private message to Gildor Oct 29 2010, 2:03am
            I'm still puzzled Moahunter Send a private message to Moahunter Oct 29 2010, 2:44am
                I don't think this was about industrial action. Silverlode Send a private message to Silverlode Oct 29 2010, 4:38am
                    I love... Gildor Send a private message to Gildor Oct 29 2010, 4:49am
                    Completely agree entmaiden Send a private message to entmaiden Oct 29 2010, 4:50am
                    You do paint a vivid picture... Earl Send a private message to Earl Oct 29 2010, 6:09am
                    Your speculation sounds pretty solid to me Peredhil lover Send a private message to Peredhil lover Oct 29 2010, 7:22am
                    I agree with this point Tim Send a private message to Tim Oct 29 2010, 3:23pm
                In reply to Moahunter SirDennisC Send a private message to SirDennisC Oct 29 2010, 7:24am
                    Employee or contractor. Moahunter Send a private message to Moahunter Oct 29 2010, 7:35am
                        Nobody tells me where I can't or can't work. // SirDennisC Send a private message to SirDennisC Oct 29 2010, 7:37am
                        Let me clarify my position Tim Send a private message to Tim Oct 29 2010, 4:26pm
                            Well reasoned. // SirDennisC Send a private message to SirDennisC Oct 29 2010, 5:04pm
                        other things to consider Jettorex Send a private message to Jettorex Oct 29 2010, 5:33pm
                            Just to get things straight... Huan71 Send a private message to Huan71 Oct 29 2010, 8:44pm
                            Are contractors more protected than employees, in some ways squire Send a private message to squire Oct 29 2010, 10:27pm
                                My thoughts Peredhil lover Send a private message to Peredhil lover Oct 30 2010, 1:39pm
            Thanks, Gildor Altaira Send a private message to Altaira Oct 29 2010, 4:40am
                Right... Gandalf'sMother Oct 29 2010, 5:41am
                    I agree Voronwë_the_Faithful Send a private message to Voronwë_the_Faithful Oct 29 2010, 6:40am
        maybe not to the "industry" ... AngryDwarf Send a private message to AngryDwarf Oct 29 2010, 7:45am
            Any faith...? Huan71 Send a private message to Huan71 Oct 29 2010, 10:57am
                Actually Gandalf'sMother Oct 29 2010, 3:56pm
    Huzzaaaaah!// Owain Send a private message to Owain Oct 29 2010, 12:45am
    Thats what I call backfiring .... AngryDwarf Send a private message to AngryDwarf Oct 29 2010, 7:31am
    This bill is about stability sphdle1 Send a private message to sphdle1 Oct 29 2010, 11:55am
    Rather Uncomfortable Lord Maegmoth Send a private message to Lord Maegmoth Oct 29 2010, 3:10pm

 
 
 

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