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Not sure if this explains it any better, but....

Iolite
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Oct 29 2010, 3:26am


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Not sure if this explains it any better, but.... [In reply to] Can't Post

The unions didn't want a change in contractor status/law, they simply wanted a collective agreement that would update their working conditions to be more in line with those of overseas actors, such as members of SAG (Screen Actors Guild of America). The actors had no quibbles with the laws around who is deemed a contractor vs an employee.

The whole law clarification/amendment thing is based on a single case that happened in 2005 where a modelmaker took 3Foot6 (= Newline) to court because the nature of the work he had been doing on LOTR was that of an employee rather than a contractor, but he had not received the same benefits that an employee would (e.g. a minimum holiday period each year and other benefits that I must admit to being a little hazy on). This time Warner Brothers were presumably wary that it could happen again, since the Hobbit will be employing contractors for jobs that will have conditions that are probably closer to being an employee than a contractor, e.g. working 5 days every week, set hours every day, for potentially 2-3 years, with equipment provided by the company. That modelmaker was awarded damages of (if I recall correctly) NZ$44,000. Naturally Warner Bros wouldn't want that to happen again and they don't want to have to employ people officialy as employees - they want a contractor to be a contractor if that is what is written in the work contract, regardless of the actual day-to-day nature of the working arrangement.

Subject User Time
Parliament Passes Hobbit Bill Elentari03 Send a private message to Elentari03 Oct 29 2010, 12:43am
    I still don't understand duats Send a private message to duats Oct 29 2010, 12:45am
        I don't either Tim Send a private message to Tim Oct 29 2010, 12:50am
            never ending headache? Melkors_Wrath Send a private message to Melkors_Wrath Oct 29 2010, 12:59am
            So the unions push for changes and end up worse in the sense Eruonen Send a private message to Eruonen Oct 29 2010, 1:43am
                Not sure if this explains it any better, but.... Iolite Send a private message to Iolite Oct 29 2010, 3:26am
        They lose recourse Gildor Send a private message to Gildor Oct 29 2010, 2:03am
            I'm still puzzled Moahunter Send a private message to Moahunter Oct 29 2010, 2:44am
                I don't think this was about industrial action. Silverlode Send a private message to Silverlode Oct 29 2010, 4:38am
                    I love... Gildor Send a private message to Gildor Oct 29 2010, 4:49am
                    Completely agree entmaiden Send a private message to entmaiden Oct 29 2010, 4:50am
                    You do paint a vivid picture... Earl Send a private message to Earl Oct 29 2010, 6:09am
                    Your speculation sounds pretty solid to me Peredhil lover Send a private message to Peredhil lover Oct 29 2010, 7:22am
                    I agree with this point Tim Send a private message to Tim Oct 29 2010, 3:23pm
                In reply to Moahunter SirDennisC Send a private message to SirDennisC Oct 29 2010, 7:24am
                    Employee or contractor. Moahunter Send a private message to Moahunter Oct 29 2010, 7:35am
                        Nobody tells me where I can't or can't work. // SirDennisC Send a private message to SirDennisC Oct 29 2010, 7:37am
                        Let me clarify my position Tim Send a private message to Tim Oct 29 2010, 4:26pm
                            Well reasoned. // SirDennisC Send a private message to SirDennisC Oct 29 2010, 5:04pm
                        other things to consider Jettorex Send a private message to Jettorex Oct 29 2010, 5:33pm
                            Just to get things straight... Huan71 Send a private message to Huan71 Oct 29 2010, 8:44pm
                            Are contractors more protected than employees, in some ways squire Send a private message to squire Oct 29 2010, 10:27pm
                                My thoughts Peredhil lover Send a private message to Peredhil lover Oct 30 2010, 1:39pm
            Thanks, Gildor Altaira Send a private message to Altaira Oct 29 2010, 4:40am
                Right... Gandalf'sMother Oct 29 2010, 5:41am
                    I agree Voronwë_the_Faithful Send a private message to Voronwë_the_Faithful Oct 29 2010, 6:40am
        maybe not to the "industry" ... AngryDwarf Send a private message to AngryDwarf Oct 29 2010, 7:45am
            Any faith...? Huan71 Send a private message to Huan71 Oct 29 2010, 10:57am
                Actually Gandalf'sMother Oct 29 2010, 3:56pm
    Huzzaaaaah!// Owain Send a private message to Owain Oct 29 2010, 12:45am
    Thats what I call backfiring .... AngryDwarf Send a private message to AngryDwarf Oct 29 2010, 7:31am
    This bill is about stability sphdle1 Send a private message to sphdle1 Oct 29 2010, 11:55am
    Rather Uncomfortable Lord Maegmoth Send a private message to Lord Maegmoth Oct 29 2010, 3:10pm

 
 
 

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