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Jun 20 2010, 5:15am


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This is what has puzzled me also, Voronwe....the Sunday night when the news broke, I posted about it on DTF, and Hellmistress's (remember her?) exact reply was: "I don't think so..Guillermo always say exactly what he means. He's not the one to say one thing and do something else."And as I know and people on here have learned, HM knows Guillermo better than any of us.

I am sorely tempted to point her to your post and ask her, but going to DTF is just as painful for me, still, as going here these days. (Party for the reason that I know for a fact that once the green-light was given and if their participation were confirned, up to a half dozen members of Guillermo's cast and crew were eager to follow their director on to TGRN. Never that now. I suspect that there are a lot of things we could have had that we never will now. )

Sources for your quotes please? If what you say is true, it sounds as if Guillermo was fired. There could have been no other reason for him to leave a project he had fallen in love with so completely, so suddenly. I too thought he was just counting down the days until the clock expired, and had gone into silence as a result. If it were a personal tragedy, a death in the family or some othert thing, that does not cause you to leave a project.

There are those who look at the words "amicable split" and think that PJ and Guillermo developed some creative differences with the 2nd script or other factors 9after all, it would not be the first time PJ has done this-remember he and Howard Shore parted ways over the score for King Kong?) but I don't think this is the case--those kinds of differences would have been worked out early on in the process. From what we knew, they were like blood brothers. (another darn thing so heartbreaking about all of this....)

If there was any sort of issue G had with anything, it must have been with studio brass at either or both studios, and this was not an issue that PJ had the power to negotiate with the studio (s) with for him.
I for one do not believe that he is going to have the complete autonomy and power that NL gave MarK Ordesky. Not anymore I don't. He had no decision-making power in how the LOTR Blu-ray was made or marketed, did he? Remember his comment that "they didn't consult with me at all..so in this case, I agree with the fans"? This shocked me, I thought PJ would have been an important partner in that process.

If such a puny thing as the LOTR DVD was not discussed with the man who made it,

Maybe Guillermo was fired for making that conference call, which discussed 3D? Well, all I can say is--Comic-Con may giive us clues. What I find fascinating is the deafening silence from the media on this. Nikki Finke had one story and that was it. She is good at ratting out info, and made her rep over the yrs.on not being afraid to post it. but I have a nasty feeling everyone involved signed non-discloures.. and you can bet your sweet bippy that Blomkamp or any other director would attempt to find out just what went wrong, and from the horses; mouth. If G has been censored on the subject, , his silence could speak volumes to a director. If there's any dark cloud hanging over the facts of Guillermo's departure, that would give me pause....

Why the heck do I keep coming here? 3 weeks later, I am still in shock and anguish over this...I suppose b'c of the possibilty of finding posts like yours, Voronwe...we may never know, indeed, but I sure as heck want to get as many hints as possible. The good folks at DTF have an elitist "phew, thank God he's gone through his "Hollywood stage" and now he's OURS again, now he can do waht he wants." attitude. None of them are Tolkien fans and only HM had taken the time to go to Tolkien School....and bless her heart, she was honest with it, too.:)

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Is Neill Blomkamp the next 'Hobbit' director? Maybe News from Bree Send a private message to News from Bree Jun 18 2010, 3:32pm
    This would be a very good choice. Kangi Ska Send a private message to Kangi Ska Jun 18 2010, 10:09pm
        I agree 100% Compa_Mighty Jun 19 2010, 4:34am
            If it is to be: Kangi Ska Send a private message to Kangi Ska Jun 19 2010, 11:35am
                My sentiments exactly, Kangi... Patty Send a private message to Patty Jun 19 2010, 3:33pm
        Genre director Gandalf'sMother Jun 20 2010, 1:46am
            Everyone: For your enjoyment... Sunflower Send a private message to Sunflower Jun 20 2010, 5:51am
    Wow... Its exactly what I imagine when I read GDT`s breaking news! Oscarilbo Send a private message to Oscarilbo Jun 18 2010, 10:11pm
        Once again, mmmmmm-MONEY will triumph. Sunflower Send a private message to Sunflower Jun 18 2010, 11:31pm
            Woah woah woah MrCere Send a private message to MrCere Jun 19 2010, 12:51am
                WARNING: Long and Rambling post ahead. Sunflower Send a private message to Sunflower Jun 19 2010, 4:15am
                    Yes! jedihillis Send a private message to jedihillis Jun 19 2010, 9:09am
                        First i want to thank Vangalad Send a private message to Vangalad Jun 19 2010, 11:25am
                    It is obvious that you have put thought into what you are posting... Owain Send a private message to Owain Jun 19 2010, 4:32pm
                        See Voronwe's post Sunflower Send a private message to Sunflower Jun 20 2010, 5:33am
                    some thoughts... Gildor Send a private message to Gildor Jun 20 2010, 8:04am
                        Why so serious? Kangi Ska Send a private message to Kangi Ska Jun 20 2010, 8:18am
            I don't want the hobbit to be made anymore Alassė Send a private message to Alassė Jun 19 2010, 1:08am
                So much drama R11 Send a private message to R11 Jun 19 2010, 1:23am
                Boy I want the Hobbit made and quick Kangi Ska Send a private message to Kangi Ska Jun 19 2010, 1:41am
                Shark Jumping Voorhas Send a private message to Voorhas Jun 19 2010, 8:40am
                    Shadows and Dreamscapes Sunflower Send a private message to Sunflower Jun 19 2010, 10:38am
                You know, same thing was said after PJ said he wouldn't direct Ainu Laire Send a private message to Ainu Laire Jun 19 2010, 3:15pm
                    Yes, I could get behind Blomkamp Oiotįri Send a private message to Oiotįri Jun 19 2010, 4:58pm
            Mmmmmmmoney is what get's a film made. Owain Send a private message to Owain Jun 19 2010, 6:07am
            I think yoiur overemphsizing some potential problems.... moreorless Send a private message to moreorless Jun 19 2010, 1:49pm
            Re: Once again, mmmmmm-MONEY will triumph. Runk Snusgrop Send a private message to Runk Snusgrop Jun 20 2010, 6:24am
                Once again... Sunflower Send a private message to Sunflower Jun 20 2010, 6:42am
                Maybe 540 degrees? // Kangi Ska Send a private message to Kangi Ska Jun 20 2010, 7:25am
                    This whole thing feels like death by degrees! (GDT leaving; the suspense . . .) Ethel Duath Send a private message to Ethel Duath Jun 21 2010, 3:33am
    Some people may call D9 R11 Send a private message to R11 Jun 18 2010, 10:44pm
        Somehow it seem appropriate that R11 likes D9 ;) // Kangi Ska Send a private message to Kangi Ska Jun 18 2010, 11:53pm
            Brother Kangi R11 Send a private message to R11 Jun 19 2010, 1:03am
                Well Kangi Ska Send a private message to Kangi Ska Jun 19 2010, 1:34am
                    My brain too. Ethel Duath Send a private message to Ethel Duath Jun 19 2010, 1:47am
                    A,E,I,O,U, and sometimes Y? Pipe Dream Send a private message to Pipe Dream Jun 19 2010, 11:48am
                        OK You wany to hear about the feaver I have had for the past 5 days. Kangi Ska Send a private message to Kangi Ska Jun 19 2010, 1:30pm
                            I couldn't resist... Pipe Dream Send a private message to Pipe Dream Jun 19 2010, 2:00pm
                                Thanx am slowly mending. Kangi Ska Send a private message to Kangi Ska Jun 19 2010, 2:08pm
                                    Well then... Sunflower Send a private message to Sunflower Jun 20 2010, 4:03am
                                        Indeed I am on the mend and at work monitoring security all night long. Kangi Ska Send a private message to Kangi Ska Jun 20 2010, 4:13am
                                            Uh, Kangi... Sunflower Send a private message to Sunflower Jun 20 2010, 4:40am
                                                I think that people are uncertain how to respond to what you write. Kangi Ska Send a private message to Kangi Ska Jun 20 2010, 5:48am
                                                    That was my chief lament Sunflower Send a private message to Sunflower Jun 20 2010, 6:39am
                                                I like Knagi's comment of... Huan71 Send a private message to Huan71 Jun 20 2010, 10:49am
                                                    A statement from Guillermo Sunflower Send a private message to Sunflower Jun 21 2010, 12:37am
                                                        Posts, the Director and the vision.. Huan71 Send a private message to Huan71 Jun 21 2010, 9:16am
                                                            Lets call the whole thing off? NOT Kangi Ska Send a private message to Kangi Ska Jun 21 2010, 9:55am
                                                                "Let us all hope for the best. It will save a lot of stomach linings." Patty Send a private message to Patty Jun 21 2010, 3:54pm
                                                Actually I have reponded several times to your posts.... Owain Send a private message to Owain Jun 20 2010, 8:30pm
                    Ahhh, I see R11 Send a private message to R11 Jun 21 2010, 6:43pm
    I had serious troubles liking District 9 - macfalk Send a private message to macfalk Jun 18 2010, 10:52pm
    It's not like we have a choice right? Pipe Dream Send a private message to Pipe Dream Jun 18 2010, 11:26pm
        Basically... Malveth The Eternal Send a private message to Malveth The Eternal Jun 18 2010, 11:30pm
    Any clues from Neill himself? Nerwen Send a private message to Nerwen Jun 18 2010, 11:43pm
    my initial reaction was discomfort Oiotįri Send a private message to Oiotįri Jun 19 2010, 12:05am
    Link for those like me who don't know much about him... weaver Send a private message to weaver Jun 19 2010, 12:27am
    Hmmm... I might like this choice. entmaiden Send a private message to entmaiden Jun 19 2010, 1:26am
    Its an interesting idea ... Elven Send a private message to Elven Jun 19 2010, 1:49am
    Here's something I found Oiotįri Send a private message to Oiotįri Jun 19 2010, 2:12am
    PJ has an uncanny nose for talent. Ataahua Send a private message to Ataahua Jun 19 2010, 3:07am
        Yes, indeed (and do we have any word yet on other departments heads -- DP, Production Design, Costume Design et al) CINE Send a private message to CINE Jun 20 2010, 1:53am
            No word that I know of Arwen's daughter Send a private message to Arwen's daughter Jun 20 2010, 3:49pm
                Costumes CINE Send a private message to CINE Jun 21 2010, 2:04am
                    Hmm... Arwen's daughter Send a private message to Arwen's daughter Jun 21 2010, 3:58am
                        i don't want the hobbit to be made like a harry potter movie! Silmaril Jun 21 2010, 7:20am
                        Great List (Canonero = Legend)! CINE Send a private message to CINE Jun 21 2010, 8:30am
    I have never seen a single movie he has made. Woodyend Send a private message to Woodyend Jun 19 2010, 3:16am
        That's my fear too :( Alassė Send a private message to Alassė Jun 19 2010, 5:28am
        Don't despair before you've even watched District 9 Kyriel Send a private message to Kyriel Jun 19 2010, 10:55am
            I am glad you wrote this Kangi Ska Send a private message to Kangi Ska Jun 19 2010, 1:51pm
                Me too, Kangi. Nicely said, Kyriel Altaira Send a private message to Altaira Jun 19 2010, 3:32pm
    It is a wise guess he would do it especially when... ringer5150 Send a private message to ringer5150 Jun 19 2010, 6:51am
        Brilliant... Huan71 Send a private message to Huan71 Jun 20 2010, 10:52am
    Heavy sigh Doriath Send a private message to Doriath Jun 19 2010, 8:03am
        Amen... Sunflower Send a private message to Sunflower Jun 19 2010, 11:06am
        We do not know Neill Blomkamp's knowledge of Tolkien.// Kangi Ska Send a private message to Kangi Ska Jun 19 2010, 1:56pm
    Well... dormouse Send a private message to dormouse Jun 19 2010, 12:50pm
        There is only the one. Pipe Dream Send a private message to Pipe Dream Jun 19 2010, 1:17pm
    I've always liked the idea of Blomkamp Eldy Send a private message to Eldy Jun 19 2010, 2:27pm
    What can I say? Marionette Send a private message to Marionette Jun 19 2010, 2:37pm
    Neill Blomkamp on the Forums chrismortega Send a private message to chrismortega Jun 19 2010, 3:10pm
        D9: A story of redemption Kangi Ska Send a private message to Kangi Ska Jun 19 2010, 3:39pm
            well... chrismortega Send a private message to chrismortega Jun 20 2010, 12:17am
    Just an Idea... Bound Send a private message to Bound Jun 19 2010, 3:37pm
        Lucas said that? Patty Send a private message to Patty Jun 19 2010, 3:52pm
            yeah Bound Send a private message to Bound Jun 19 2010, 7:07pm
        It's worth noting that TLB also received a lot of praise. Ataahua Send a private message to Ataahua Jun 19 2010, 9:30pm
            I think it will be considered a failure by anyone if it doesn’t equal LOTR. Woodyend Send a private message to Woodyend Jun 19 2010, 9:43pm
                I've just realised Ataahua Send a private message to Ataahua Jun 19 2010, 10:13pm
            I did enjoy it... Buchanicus Send a private message to Buchanicus Jun 20 2010, 12:42am
                Choice of material. Kangi Ska Send a private message to Kangi Ska Jun 20 2010, 12:55am
                Same. / Ataahua Send a private message to Ataahua Jun 20 2010, 1:05am
            which is why he doens't want to do The Hobbit Oiotįri Send a private message to Oiotįri Jun 20 2010, 12:54am
            ... Bound Send a private message to Bound Jun 20 2010, 9:22am
                What do critics know? R11 Send a private message to R11 Jun 21 2010, 8:32pm
                    I agree... Bound Send a private message to Bound Jun 21 2010, 9:09pm
                        Director strong enough to keep PJ out of it Gandalf'sMother Jun 22 2010, 3:37am
                            Couldn't agree with you more... Bound Send a private message to Bound Jun 22 2010, 6:25am
    A rumour, though I still think xy Jun 19 2010, 5:41pm
        I think just the opisit would be true. Kangi Ska Send a private message to Kangi Ska Jun 20 2010, 12:11am
            hmm xy Jun 20 2010, 7:53am
            I dont think SPJ would do that ... just yet anyway ... Elven Send a private message to Elven Jun 21 2010, 10:54am
    i really hope so! marlonbrando76 Send a private message to marlonbrando76 Jun 19 2010, 7:39pm
    Not sold on this guy. Uruk-Hai Send a private message to Uruk-Hai Jun 19 2010, 7:40pm
    I'm open to whatever PJ thinks is best Garfeimao Send a private message to Garfeimao Jun 19 2010, 8:10pm
        Well said! Buchanicus Send a private message to Buchanicus Jun 19 2010, 8:57pm
        That's a very good point dormouse Send a private message to dormouse Jun 19 2010, 10:00pm
            Perhaps something else occurred that caused a crisis. Kangi Ska Send a private message to Kangi Ska Jun 20 2010, 12:28am
                I'm inclined to agree with you Voronwė_the_Faithful Send a private message to Voronwė_the_Faithful Jun 20 2010, 1:28am
                    Curious Sunflower Send a private message to Sunflower Jun 20 2010, 5:15am
                        Nothing so arcane: Kangi Ska Send a private message to Kangi Ska Jun 20 2010, 6:09am
                    That's true dormouse Send a private message to dormouse Jun 20 2010, 7:45am
                    Probably because the announcement had not been made. entmaiden Send a private message to entmaiden Jun 20 2010, 12:29pm
                        Exactly. This is standard practice. Silverlode Send a private message to Silverlode Jun 20 2010, 8:19pm
                            Agreed Owain Send a private message to Owain Jun 20 2010, 8:23pm
                            You're both missing my point Voronwė_the_Faithful Send a private message to Voronwė_the_Faithful Jun 20 2010, 8:27pm
                                I am with you on this. Kangi Ska Send a private message to Kangi Ska Jun 20 2010, 8:46pm
                                I disagree. Silverlode Send a private message to Silverlode Jun 20 2010, 8:47pm
                                    I respect your opinion Voronwė_the_Faithful Send a private message to Voronwė_the_Faithful Jun 20 2010, 8:53pm
                                        Can you help me pasi Send a private message to pasi Jun 20 2010, 10:48pm
                                            pasi macfalk Send a private message to macfalk Jun 20 2010, 11:00pm
                                            People are interested in what GdT does Voronwė_the_Faithful Send a private message to Voronwė_the_Faithful Jun 20 2010, 11:19pm
                                    Maybe, maybe not SirDennisC Send a private message to SirDennisC Jun 20 2010, 9:49pm
                                I agree with Silverlode entmaiden Send a private message to entmaiden Jun 20 2010, 11:30pm
    so Comic-Con is a month away Oiotįri Send a private message to Oiotįri Jun 20 2010, 2:45pm
        comic con annoucment would be great, but on the other hand... ringer5150 Send a private message to ringer5150 Jun 20 2010, 6:30pm
            Comic-con Announcement Kangi Ska Send a private message to Kangi Ska Jun 20 2010, 8:54pm
                Another big (yet disappointing) announcement? ...like the Blu-Ray fiasco? SteveDJ Send a private message to SteveDJ Jun 21 2010, 5:55pm
    About Experience rings7 Send a private message to rings7 Jun 20 2010, 3:55pm
    New hobbit director pasi Send a private message to pasi Jun 20 2010, 5:01pm
        which new words? // Oiotįri Send a private message to Oiotįri Jun 20 2010, 5:05pm
            the words from Ian pasi Send a private message to pasi Jun 20 2010, 5:29pm
                oh, yeah, I read that Oiotįri Send a private message to Oiotįri Jun 20 2010, 5:39pm
    Honestly duats Send a private message to duats Jun 21 2010, 12:07am
    not happy... merklynn Send a private message to merklynn Jun 21 2010, 1:49pm
        Sorry, merklynn dormouse Send a private message to dormouse Jun 21 2010, 2:19pm
            I'm not losing hope... merklynn Send a private message to merklynn Jun 21 2010, 2:37pm

 
 
 

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