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Sunflower
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Jun 18 2010, 11:31pm
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Once again, mmmmmm-MONEY will triumph.
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Forgive me, everyone, please, but I can't help but think back to the myriad reasons why Del Toro left the project. He of course never specified what all of those were, but he hinted strongly that the MGM situation was not the only reason. Before we laud the possible appointment of Blomkamp, we need to seriously consider what these reasons might have been, and wonder what another director might do when faced with those issues, which are not going to go away, but will likely beocme even more serious. (You can't help but wonder, also..well, the cynic in me can't help wondering....if Blomkamp would exactly fit the money-hungry Suits' need for new premium "product" because, unlike Del Toro, who (maybe, just maybe?) proved "difficult" and "not a team player" on such issues as 3-D and animatronics instead of CGI and other "creative" issues, Mr. Blomkamp is a complete newbie who can be pushed around very easily, and would happliy give into whatever the studio demanded, including post-production cuts and other tinkering with the final product, say, for cost-cutting purposes. (they must slso be looking at the bargain-basement budget of the FX on D9 and thinking with Blomkamp on board, they will easily be able to get TH in with LOTr quakity at a reduced budget. THEY CANNOT. All the money has to be up there on screen for the world to see. TH cannot be a bargain-basement production. )If he bows to unrelenting studio pressure on the 3D issue, you've lost me right there. The 3D issue was one of the reasons I guess Del Toro left, and on that issue I have changfed my mind 360 degrees. I was initially cautiously for it, but in light of how it has IMO changed Hollywood for the worse in the 6 months since Avatar, I am now against it. There has been a wholesale cheapening of product and a film being in 3D is now the cheif marketing tool the studios use, not the3 film itself. (I wil not ouruse this issue ad neaseum, don't worry.) Unlike Del Toro, who has a history of being stubborn and fighting for the quakity of his work (as per Mimic and PL), Blomkamp would be an easy pushover. One of the reasons I lauded the appointment of Del Toro so much 2 yrs ago was not only b/c I'd been a fan of his for the past 4 yrs, but b/c I knew the climate of Hollywood had changed from 2000, the height of the indie era, even back then. And we needed a director who would not be duanted by studio pressure over any issue, and that theere would be the need to fight for the integrity of the final product That issues would indeed arise. And this was BEFORE the Great Recession. Don't get me wrong, I love Blomkamp and was one of the enthusiastic posters about D9 last fall, but even as much as I believe he has the potential, he is too inexperieced. He ha snot yet found his voice. One film is daunting enoughm but TWO? It would be like asking the Steven Spielberg to direct the entire "Indiana Jones" trilogy (written as 3 films) after he debuted with The Sugarland Express. As good as Blomkamp already is, you do NOT find your coneatic "voice" on such a big and high-profile project. You need to already have developed your feature-length "voice", and the depth of your vision. And what goes for you, goes even more for yoir CREW. Likewise, I would not have wanted the Peter Jackson of "Dead Alive" to direct LOTR--he had to get that expansion of vision like "HC in first. We had a big enough issue with Del Toro not being familar with not only TH, bit Tolkien as well. He had to go to "Tolkien school", and spent many months familarizing himself with everything Tolkien wrote. This will affect the future qality of the films. Would LOTR have been as good if PJ and crew did not have not only the complete knowledge and command and PASSION for the project that many, many months of preperation had not given him. You just CANNOT throw in a replacemernt director just to meet deadlines into a project like this. Del Toro was in the perfect place as a directort to begin filming. Knowledge, intellect, creative fire: poor Blomkamp will have none of these things. How much time will he have to "go to Tolkien school"? Will he be able to make the innumerable changes to the scriot while filming that the project will need so that it is PERFECT? ( hard enough propositon as it is, with this 2-film story expansion.) If he was drafted, I would feel genuinely sorry for the poor guy. He would secretly be terrified, as much as he'd be exhilerated. And PJ CANNOT babysit him. it has to be YOUR product, YOUR vision on film. (I imagine he would want to put his stamp on the film too, not just stick to Del Toro's script. especially as a newbie.) (see this Nkii Finke story on Warner Brothers and their new scripts policy: http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com (see today;s story: "Where's My Script? Studios Crack Down..." etc. Reading the Comments tothat story is also informative, as several appear tp have been written by actial scribes...it sheds a lot of light on the wat not only WB but other studios are now operating. And TH is being made in this climate.) Finally, as much as the prospect of Blomkamp doing the job of babysitting Del Toro's vision with PJ's crew might excite some people, I am anyhing but excited. I still think the films have lost an irreplaceable amount of quality snd prestiege. Nothing cann replace the films that would have been produced with Guillermo Navarro, Del Toro's Oscar-winning DoP, for example. A Blomkamp working with Andrew Lesnie, for example. cannot help be for me an inferior. product. I stand by my contention from last week that we have lost something that cannot be replaced no matter how much the miney-hungry studios want to, and for me, the films will never have the same quality a and magic. Some may dispute this and say, "Well, you have to give someone their chance," for me, that opinion would work on any other project, but not this one. We forget: this will liely be THE defenative film version of TH, a book that, least we forget, is much more of a beloved world literary classic than LOTR ever was, and has notr been filmed in the 75 years it has been around. This is still a sad thing for me, as I happen to be one of the people who did NOT want Jackson to direct or even babysit, outsdie of writing the script. Which he'll have to end up doing now, no matter who directs. Let those who want the films to be made *at any cost*, becuase gee, this project is TOO BIG TO IGNORE and has to be made, and have sunnier dispositions about the whole thing, chime in and carry on...but I feel a right to have the cautious skeptical POV heard at least once. (Message to WB: you are treating TH like Harry Potter and you already have it all wrong. This is NOT Harry Potter...) And now I yield the floor to those who may feel differently. But I hope I have broight up some issues that merit honest debate....if the studios indeed have a mole reading this site and want to guage opinion.
(This post was edited by Sunflower on Jun 18 2010, 11:41pm)
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Is Neill Blomkamp the next 'Hobbit' director? Maybe
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News from Bree
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Jun 18 2010, 3:32pm
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This would be a very good choice.
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Kangi Ska
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Jun 18 2010, 10:09pm
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I agree 100%
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Compa_Mighty
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Jun 19 2010, 4:34am
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If it is to be:
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Kangi Ska
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Jun 19 2010, 11:35am
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My sentiments exactly, Kangi...
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Patty
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Jun 19 2010, 3:33pm
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Genre director
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Gandalf'sMother
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Jun 20 2010, 1:46am
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Everyone: For your enjoyment...
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Sunflower
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Jun 20 2010, 5:51am
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Wow... Its exactly what I imagine when I read GDT`s breaking news!
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Oscarilbo
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Jun 18 2010, 10:11pm
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Once again, mmmmmm-MONEY will triumph.
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Sunflower
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Jun 18 2010, 11:31pm
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Woah woah woah
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MrCere
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Jun 19 2010, 12:51am
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WARNING: Long and Rambling post ahead.
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Sunflower
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Jun 19 2010, 4:15am
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Yes!
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jedihillis
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Jun 19 2010, 9:09am
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First i want to thank
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Vangalad
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Jun 19 2010, 11:25am
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It is obvious that you have put thought into what you are posting...
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Owain
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Jun 19 2010, 4:32pm
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See Voronwe's post
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Sunflower
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Jun 20 2010, 5:33am
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some thoughts...
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Gildor
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Jun 20 2010, 8:04am
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Why so serious?
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Kangi Ska
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Jun 20 2010, 8:18am
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I don't want the hobbit to be made anymore
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Alassė
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Jun 19 2010, 1:08am
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So much drama
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R11
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Jun 19 2010, 1:23am
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Boy I want the Hobbit made and quick
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Kangi Ska
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Jun 19 2010, 1:41am
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Shark Jumping
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Voorhas
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Jun 19 2010, 8:40am
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Shadows and Dreamscapes
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Sunflower
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Jun 19 2010, 10:38am
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You know, same thing was said after PJ said he wouldn't direct
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Ainu Laire
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Jun 19 2010, 3:15pm
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Yes, I could get behind Blomkamp
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Oiotįri
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Jun 19 2010, 4:58pm
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Mmmmmmmoney is what get's a film made.
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Owain
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Jun 19 2010, 6:07am
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I think yoiur overemphsizing some potential problems....
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moreorless
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Jun 19 2010, 1:49pm
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Re: Once again, mmmmmm-MONEY will triumph.
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Runk Snusgrop
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Jun 20 2010, 6:24am
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Once again...
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Sunflower
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Jun 20 2010, 6:42am
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Maybe 540 degrees? //
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Kangi Ska
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Jun 20 2010, 7:25am
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This whole thing feels like death by degrees! (GDT leaving; the suspense . . .)
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Ethel Duath
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Jun 21 2010, 3:33am
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Some people may call D9
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R11
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Jun 18 2010, 10:44pm
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Somehow it seem appropriate that R11 likes D9 ;) //
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Kangi Ska
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Jun 18 2010, 11:53pm
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Brother Kangi
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R11
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Jun 19 2010, 1:03am
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Well
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Kangi Ska
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Jun 19 2010, 1:34am
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My brain too.
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Ethel Duath
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Jun 19 2010, 1:47am
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A,E,I,O,U, and sometimes Y?
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Pipe Dream
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Jun 19 2010, 11:48am
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OK You wany to hear about the feaver I have had for the past 5 days.
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Kangi Ska
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Jun 19 2010, 1:30pm
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I couldn't resist...
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Pipe Dream
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Jun 19 2010, 2:00pm
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Thanx am slowly mending.
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Kangi Ska
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Jun 19 2010, 2:08pm
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Well then...
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Sunflower
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Jun 20 2010, 4:03am
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Indeed I am on the mend and at work monitoring security all night long.
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Kangi Ska
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Jun 20 2010, 4:13am
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Uh, Kangi...
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Sunflower
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Jun 20 2010, 4:40am
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I think that people are uncertain how to respond to what you write.
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Kangi Ska
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Jun 20 2010, 5:48am
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That was my chief lament
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Sunflower
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Jun 20 2010, 6:39am
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I like Knagi's comment of...
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Huan71
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Jun 20 2010, 10:49am
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A statement from Guillermo
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Sunflower
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Jun 21 2010, 12:37am
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Posts, the Director and the vision..
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Huan71
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Jun 21 2010, 9:16am
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Lets call the whole thing off? NOT
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Kangi Ska
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Jun 21 2010, 9:55am
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"Let us all hope for the best. It will save a lot of stomach linings."
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Patty
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Jun 21 2010, 3:54pm
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Actually I have reponded several times to your posts....
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Owain
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Jun 20 2010, 8:30pm
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Ahhh, I see
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R11
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Jun 21 2010, 6:43pm
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I had serious troubles liking District 9 -
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macfalk
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Jun 18 2010, 10:52pm
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It's not like we have a choice right?
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Pipe Dream
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Jun 18 2010, 11:26pm
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Basically...
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Malveth The Eternal
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Jun 18 2010, 11:30pm
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Any clues from Neill himself?
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Nerwen
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Jun 18 2010, 11:43pm
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my initial reaction was discomfort
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Oiotįri
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Jun 19 2010, 12:05am
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Link for those like me who don't know much about him...
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weaver
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Jun 19 2010, 12:27am
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Hmmm... I might like this choice.
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entmaiden
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Jun 19 2010, 1:26am
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Its an interesting idea ...
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Elven
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Jun 19 2010, 1:49am
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Here's something I found
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Oiotįri
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Jun 19 2010, 2:12am
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PJ has an uncanny nose for talent.
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Ataahua
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Jun 19 2010, 3:07am
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Yes, indeed (and do we have any word yet on other departments heads -- DP, Production Design, Costume Design et al)
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CINE
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Jun 20 2010, 1:53am
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No word that I know of
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Arwen's daughter
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Jun 20 2010, 3:49pm
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Costumes
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CINE
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Jun 21 2010, 2:04am
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Hmm...
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Arwen's daughter
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Jun 21 2010, 3:58am
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i don't want the hobbit to be made like a harry potter movie!
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Silmaril
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Jun 21 2010, 7:20am
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Great List (Canonero = Legend)!
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CINE
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Jun 21 2010, 8:30am
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I have never seen a single movie he has made.
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Woodyend
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Jun 19 2010, 3:16am
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That's my fear too :(
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Alassė
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Jun 19 2010, 5:28am
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Don't despair before you've even watched District 9
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Kyriel
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Jun 19 2010, 10:55am
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I am glad you wrote this
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Kangi Ska
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Jun 19 2010, 1:51pm
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Me too, Kangi. Nicely said, Kyriel
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Altaira
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Jun 19 2010, 3:32pm
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It is a wise guess he would do it especially when...
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ringer5150
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Jun 19 2010, 6:51am
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Brilliant...
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Huan71
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Jun 20 2010, 10:52am
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Heavy sigh
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Doriath
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Jun 19 2010, 8:03am
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Amen...
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Sunflower
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Jun 19 2010, 11:06am
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We do not know Neill Blomkamp's knowledge of Tolkien.//
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Kangi Ska
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Jun 19 2010, 1:56pm
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Well...
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dormouse
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Jun 19 2010, 12:50pm
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There is only the one.
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Pipe Dream
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Jun 19 2010, 1:17pm
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I've always liked the idea of Blomkamp
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Eldy
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Jun 19 2010, 2:27pm
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What can I say?
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Marionette
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Jun 19 2010, 2:37pm
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Neill Blomkamp on the Forums
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chrismortega
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Jun 19 2010, 3:10pm
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D9: A story of redemption
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Kangi Ska
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Jun 19 2010, 3:39pm
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well...
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chrismortega
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Jun 20 2010, 12:17am
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Just an Idea...
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Bound
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Jun 19 2010, 3:37pm
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Lucas said that?
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Patty
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Jun 19 2010, 3:52pm
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yeah
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Bound
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Jun 19 2010, 7:07pm
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It's worth noting that TLB also received a lot of praise.
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Ataahua
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Jun 19 2010, 9:30pm
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I think it will be considered a failure by anyone if it doesnt equal LOTR.
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Woodyend
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Jun 19 2010, 9:43pm
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I've just realised
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Ataahua
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Jun 19 2010, 10:13pm
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I did enjoy it...
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Buchanicus
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Jun 20 2010, 12:42am
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Choice of material.
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Kangi Ska
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Jun 20 2010, 12:55am
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Same. /
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Ataahua
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Jun 20 2010, 1:05am
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which is why he doens't want to do The Hobbit
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Oiotįri
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Jun 20 2010, 12:54am
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...
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Bound
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Jun 20 2010, 9:22am
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What do critics know?
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R11
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Jun 21 2010, 8:32pm
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I agree...
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Bound
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Jun 21 2010, 9:09pm
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Director strong enough to keep PJ out of it
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Gandalf'sMother
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Jun 22 2010, 3:37am
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Couldn't agree with you more...
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Bound
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Jun 22 2010, 6:25am
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A rumour, though I still think
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xy
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Jun 19 2010, 5:41pm
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I think just the opisit would be true.
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Kangi Ska
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Jun 20 2010, 12:11am
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hmm
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xy
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Jun 20 2010, 7:53am
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I dont think SPJ would do that ... just yet anyway ...
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Elven
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Jun 21 2010, 10:54am
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i really hope so!
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marlonbrando76
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Jun 19 2010, 7:39pm
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Not sold on this guy.
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Uruk-Hai
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Jun 19 2010, 7:40pm
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I'm open to whatever PJ thinks is best
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Garfeimao
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Jun 19 2010, 8:10pm
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Well said!
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Buchanicus
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Jun 19 2010, 8:57pm
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That's a very good point
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dormouse
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Jun 19 2010, 10:00pm
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Perhaps something else occurred that caused a crisis.
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Kangi Ska
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Jun 20 2010, 12:28am
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I'm inclined to agree with you
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Voronwė_the_Faithful
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Jun 20 2010, 1:28am
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Curious
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Sunflower
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Jun 20 2010, 5:15am
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Nothing so arcane:
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Kangi Ska
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Jun 20 2010, 6:09am
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That's true
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dormouse
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Jun 20 2010, 7:45am
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Probably because the announcement had not been made.
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entmaiden
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Jun 20 2010, 12:29pm
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Exactly. This is standard practice.
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Silverlode
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Jun 20 2010, 8:19pm
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Agreed
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Owain
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Jun 20 2010, 8:23pm
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You're both missing my point
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Voronwė_the_Faithful
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Jun 20 2010, 8:27pm
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I am with you on this.
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Kangi Ska
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Jun 20 2010, 8:46pm
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I disagree.
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Silverlode
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Jun 20 2010, 8:47pm
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I respect your opinion
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Voronwė_the_Faithful
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Jun 20 2010, 8:53pm
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Can you help me
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pasi
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Jun 20 2010, 10:48pm
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pasi
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macfalk
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Jun 20 2010, 11:00pm
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People are interested in what GdT does
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Voronwė_the_Faithful
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Jun 20 2010, 11:19pm
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Maybe, maybe not
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SirDennisC
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Jun 20 2010, 9:49pm
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I agree with Silverlode
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entmaiden
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Jun 20 2010, 11:30pm
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so Comic-Con is a month away
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Oiotįri
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Jun 20 2010, 2:45pm
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comic con annoucment would be great, but on the other hand...
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ringer5150
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Jun 20 2010, 6:30pm
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Comic-con Announcement
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Kangi Ska
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Jun 20 2010, 8:54pm
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Another big (yet disappointing) announcement? ...like the Blu-Ray fiasco?
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SteveDJ
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Jun 21 2010, 5:55pm
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About Experience
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rings7
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Jun 20 2010, 3:55pm
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New hobbit director
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pasi
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Jun 20 2010, 5:01pm
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which new words? //
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Oiotįri
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Jun 20 2010, 5:05pm
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the words from Ian
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pasi
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Jun 20 2010, 5:29pm
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oh, yeah, I read that
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Oiotįri
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Jun 20 2010, 5:39pm
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Honestly
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duats
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Jun 21 2010, 12:07am
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not happy...
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merklynn
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Jun 21 2010, 1:49pm
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Sorry, merklynn
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dormouse
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Jun 21 2010, 2:19pm
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I'm not losing hope...
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merklynn
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Jun 21 2010, 2:37pm
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