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DamienEngland
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May 31 2010, 10:27am
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So ends the chance for something extraordinary ...
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Look, I’m sure when and if these films get made they will be ‘good’. Good enough. They’ll segue into the original films competently enough, they’ll have the odd bravura scene of stunning sfx. But deep down, we all know The Hobbit lucked out when Guillermo took this on. I can’t think of a more perfect choice of director ticking all three boxes of: a) an innate understanding of horror & fantasy b) soulful reverence to the source material and c) artistic vision; and as much as I don’t want to put a dampener on where things go from here, I can’t help it either, because sadly you won’t get that combination again. Two out of the three, maybe. Two & a half, at a push. As for the replacements being touted? Jackson, on present form I’m not convinced could match his trilogy, nor would he want to as he's said countless times he sees no satisfaction in competing with himself. Cuaron, a huge talent in his own right, should not become "second dibbs" and as a close friend of Del Toro would forever be a reminder of the man he had replaced; nor is he, first and foremost, a fantasy director. And Scott? He’s got the minor matter of an Alien prequel to attend to in case anyone’s forgotten, or hasn’t recently made a trip out to the multiplex to sit through Robin Hood … My money goes on Raimi. His visual style of late, especially in the phenomenally rewatchable Drag Me To Hell reminds me more of earlier Peter Jackson than anything: the gross-out horror, askew camera angles, wondrously OTT theatrics. He’d nail the Mirkwood spiders and give the movies ample scares. He’s also a director who, for the most part (Spidey 3, excepted) balances character and big spectacle action well. So perhaps, (i.e: a BIG perhaps, and still one hoping that McGuire gets nowhere near the Bilbo gig) what with the unhappy severance from the Spiderman franchise, this could be his triumphant return to the big blockbuster arena? We shall see. For all the inevitable conjecture about who’ll eventually take over, I’d also like to celebrate the simple fact of Guillermo’s artistic vistas widening overnight. That’s a massive plus for all of us. It means that he’ll be free to pursue the smaller scale projects AND the bigger ones, the intimate and the outrageous, the Lovecraft and the madness, and I’ll be cheering him on with the certainty I know him slightly better than before the Hobbit debacle, and I’ll tell you why: A couple of months (or few pages back) ago, I made a (slightly) narky post likening the interminable delays to Groundhog day. I wasn’t fully up to speed with the MGM situation either, so when Guillermo showed up in the thread, I could have reasonably expected a tongue-lashing for a bout of fanboy petulance, not least for the factual inaccuracies. Instead, GDT expressed his empathy. His empathy with us, when the one who deserved it most was him. Might seem trivial, but I’ll always remember that as the mark of the man, and in many ways because of it, I’ll always wish him ten times more love, best wishes ( & empathy) in future personal projects we all know will be weird wonderful expressions of that unique creative mind. Here’s to hoping that creature notebook of his is soon bursting at the seams again. Heres’s to raising up the glass. And here’s to saying without a word of dewy eyed hyperbole The Hobbit just lost a towering talent - and soul. Gods (and monsters) bless him in everything he does. Damien, England.
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(This post was edited by DamienEngland on May 31 2010, 10:33am)
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TORN Exclusive: Guillermo Del Toro departs “The Hobbit”
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calisuri
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May 30 2010, 10:45pm
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This is good news!!!!
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ceti
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May 30 2010, 10:49pm
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GDT LEAVE
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balinman
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May 31 2010, 1:52am
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Not all of us hope for that eventuality.
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RosieLass
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May 31 2010, 7:18am
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Orcish news...
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Istari68
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May 31 2010, 6:50pm
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Guillermo's Departure...
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olipowell
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May 30 2010, 10:51pm
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This is making me incredibly sad :(
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BlueMan
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May 30 2010, 10:55pm
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Sad but not a total loss
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hobbitcheese
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May 31 2010, 10:52pm
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Nooooooooo :(
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Nazguy
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May 31 2010, 11:05pm
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Sad, Sad, Sad
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Empedocles
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May 31 2010, 11:25pm
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I agree
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geordie
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Jun 1 2010, 12:17am
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Wow! Sad, but I wish him luck
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Tiria
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May 30 2010, 11:01pm
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horrible, horrible news.
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Buchanicus
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May 30 2010, 11:04pm
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Guillermo's been wonderful to us, this is heartbreaking!/
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palantiriel
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May 30 2010, 11:31pm
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I cannot belive it... I`m in Shock ! and very very very sad =(
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Oscarilbo
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May 30 2010, 11:47pm
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Even the sad goodbye.....faith
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IreneoFunes
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May 31 2010, 12:06am
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Arrrrgh!!
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Ataahua
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May 31 2010, 12:07am
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I couldn't find the words as easily, soooo...
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Eowyn of Penns Woods
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May 31 2010, 5:57am
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EPW, that is priceless! *mods way up* /
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Ataahua
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May 31 2010, 6:39am
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Mr. Del Toro
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duats
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May 31 2010, 7:02am
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*mods up even further* Yep, you hit the nail on the..uh.. //
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dernwyn
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May 31 2010, 11:41am
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WHAT?!
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Pipe Dream
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May 31 2010, 12:32am
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Why do I feel
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shadowdog
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May 31 2010, 12:47am
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Well, I'm back...
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Eärendil The Mariner
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May 31 2010, 1:17am
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So very sad
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Cad Monkey
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May 31 2010, 1:20am
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Really sad about this
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Eruwestial37
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May 31 2010, 1:20am
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Terrible News! Fare well in your future endeavors, Guillermo!
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Compa_Mighty
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May 31 2010, 1:45am
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Couldn't have said it better Compa and Ataahua...
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Leviathan's Bane
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May 31 2010, 2:14am
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*mods up* Beautifully said Compa!
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Kelvarhin
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May 31 2010, 3:36am
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Dear All-
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Guillermo
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May 31 2010, 5:35am
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Thank you Guillermo, and best wishes
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Growlithe the Grey
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May 31 2010, 5:44am
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So this is what integrity looks like
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SirDennisC
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May 31 2010, 5:45am
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Wh-a-a-a!
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Kangi Ska
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May 31 2010, 5:49am
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Very Disheartening News...
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Blu Falcon
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May 31 2010, 6:56am
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I couldn't bring myself to pen down any of the thoughts that have been running through my head...
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Earl
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May 31 2010, 7:14am
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*MODS UP*
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Kangi Ska
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May 31 2010, 7:48am
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All too well.
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Pipe Dream
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May 31 2010, 1:04pm
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Regardless of how inarticulate you might feel, that was well said indeed. //
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Magpie
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May 31 2010, 2:23pm
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So, so sad
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dormouse
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May 31 2010, 7:40am
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Sir, you are a gentleman and we wish you much success in future endeavours...
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greendragon
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May 31 2010, 9:16am
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Best wishes
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CreativeWriter
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May 31 2010, 10:00am
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So ends the chance for something extraordinary ...
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DamienEngland
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May 31 2010, 10:27am
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Thank you Guillermo
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Jazmine
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May 31 2010, 10:58am
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so many thanks
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tennie75
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May 31 2010, 11:05am
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Thanks, Guillermo
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Eledhwen
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May 31 2010, 12:56pm
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*tearing* You can't say fairer than that...
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grammaboodawg
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May 31 2010, 1:14pm
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:( :( :( :( :( :( :( *No words* //
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Eruthurin
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May 31 2010, 1:17pm
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What a gut-wrenching decision this must have been
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Altaira
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May 31 2010, 1:49pm
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another wonderfully put sentiment //
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Magpie
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May 31 2010, 2:24pm
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Thank you, sir, and we hope you stay in touch!
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deej
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May 31 2010, 3:25pm
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Thank you for dropping by
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Compa_Mighty
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May 31 2010, 5:35pm
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I sincerely hope
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Oiotári
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May 31 2010, 10:04pm
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I wish you the best
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Ainu Laire
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May 31 2010, 11:13pm
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Thank you, Guillermo.
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Alassëa Eruvande
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Jun 1 2010, 1:10am
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To Guillermo Del Toro
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Owain
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Jun 1 2010, 2:03am
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Thanks so much...
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Donry
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Jun 1 2010, 3:25am
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Message for Guillermo
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Shondo
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Jun 1 2010, 4:34am
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Una lástima...
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Evernight
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Jun 1 2010, 1:49pm
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Thank you, sir.
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Silverlode
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Jun 2 2010, 12:52am
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Mr Del Toro
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farmer maggot
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Jun 5 2010, 2:22pm
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Not the Messiah's Birthday --> His Visitation from Magi
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Night Wolf
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Dec 7 2010, 8:11am
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Yes
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dormouse
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May 31 2010, 7:52am
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Sad, and angry, and worried
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FantasyFan
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May 31 2010, 1:51am
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I fear
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shadowdog
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May 31 2010, 2:10am
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My feelings as well.
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dernwyn
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May 31 2010, 2:12am
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Over For Me
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Malveth The Eternal
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May 31 2010, 2:00am
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I'm very sad for Guillermo
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Kimi
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May 31 2010, 2:08am
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Sad news
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Arwen's daughter
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May 31 2010, 2:14am
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This is awful.
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Growlithe the Grey
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May 31 2010, 2:17am
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This is sad.
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Magpie
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May 31 2010, 2:26am
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I really, really wish it was April 1st
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Ainu Laire
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May 31 2010, 2:30am
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your subject line
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Oiotári
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May 31 2010, 3:08am
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Indeed it feels like a cruel joke
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ringer5150
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May 31 2010, 3:10am
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Ok, this sucks....but!
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filmfreak3000
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May 31 2010, 3:02am
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Who will be next to go...
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Seven Fathers
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May 31 2010, 3:35am
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Really hope the rest of Weta Workshop dont jump ship too..
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hobbiton28
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May 31 2010, 5:17am
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Indeed...
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ringer5150
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May 31 2010, 5:27am
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No, lets not hope that
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Gandalf'sMother
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May 31 2010, 5:35am
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I know this was a heartbreaking decision for GdT and family.
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Woodyend
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May 31 2010, 3:45am
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I hope he will be well compensated for his work.//
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Woodyend
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May 31 2010, 4:16am
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This is very sad news. Mr. del Toro, we understand and we wish you the very best.
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Patty
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May 31 2010, 4:03am
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I wonder if Fran has ever considered directing a whole film?
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Patty
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May 31 2010, 4:26am
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Also didn’t Viggo and Andy want to get into directing?
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Woodyend
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May 31 2010, 4:44am
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2008 + "six years" = ????
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Mark Sommer
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May 31 2010, 4:07am
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This does not bode well...
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Morthoron
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May 31 2010, 4:30am
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maybe...
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filmfreak3000
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May 31 2010, 5:19am
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The promotional commitments
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SirDennisC
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May 31 2010, 6:07am
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Six years from 2008 start is only 2013 (inclusive)
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The Grey Wanderer
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May 31 2010, 7:04am
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Fuzzy Math????
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Mark Sommer
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May 31 2010, 9:18am
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Email Concerns to MGM
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Shadow and Flame
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May 31 2010, 4:24am
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Amarth faed! :(
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Ruijor
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May 31 2010, 4:39am
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What can I say?
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Kangi Ska
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May 31 2010, 5:07am
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Alfonso Cuarón
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Vingilot
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May 31 2010, 5:17am
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I'm sad
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rings7
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May 31 2010, 5:17am
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Guillermo
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Kangi Ska
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May 31 2010, 5:24am
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Two suggestions: Cuaron or Scott
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Gandalf'sMother
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May 31 2010, 5:26am
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Sorry, Scott.
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Mooseboy018
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May 31 2010, 6:22am
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Very sad news
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Nimloth
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May 31 2010, 5:33am
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Very sad
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maut
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May 31 2010, 6:06am
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Best of luck, GDT
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wilsonst541
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May 31 2010, 6:24am
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no longer care
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Doriath
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May 31 2010, 6:35am
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A loss
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MrCere
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May 31 2010, 6:59am
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well put //
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Magpie
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May 31 2010, 7:03am
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Hear, hear MrC! I agree with every word.
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greendragon
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May 31 2010, 8:39am
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Hear, hear! //
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dernwyn
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May 31 2010, 12:00pm
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From the first moment
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Vangalad
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May 31 2010, 12:35pm
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Every end is a new beginning.
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waag
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May 31 2010, 7:00am
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Oh, no!
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Chiticot
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May 31 2010, 7:03am
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...
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RaoulJ
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May 31 2010, 7:38am
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Sauron got the ring
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Doriath
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May 31 2010, 7:39am
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PJ's manager says it will definately not be possible for PJ to take over the director's chair
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macfalk
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May 31 2010, 8:56am
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Sad, but exciting
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Mithrandír
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May 31 2010, 9:05am
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sad, but there is hope...
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Silmaril
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May 31 2010, 10:24am
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My heart goes out to Guillermo and the entire Hobbit team
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entmaiden
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May 31 2010, 11:50am
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So perhaps now he will have the time
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sador
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May 31 2010, 12:21pm
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Lets hope it's not the provisional cast to go next! //
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PettyMim
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May 31 2010, 12:26pm
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Oh no... What a harsh twist
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grammaboodawg
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May 31 2010, 1:04pm
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wow that was completely out of the blue!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Anduril1993
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May 31 2010, 1:45pm
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I will always hope GdT ...
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Elven
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May 31 2010, 2:16pm
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Links to pertinent entries on Doug Adams' blog
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Magpie
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May 31 2010, 2:21pm
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No more TORn insider for the Hobbit ???
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SteveDJ
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May 31 2010, 2:56pm
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It's not about us
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entmaiden
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May 31 2010, 9:08pm
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Of course not.
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sador
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Jun 1 2010, 6:10am
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Yes, it's not about us -- but that wasn't my entire point...
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SteveDJ
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Jun 1 2010, 4:15pm
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Let's Boycott MGM
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Uruk-Hai
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May 31 2010, 2:57pm
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Or we could be more mature than that
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Ataahua
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May 31 2010, 7:47pm
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*mods up to the stratosphere* //
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Patty
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May 31 2010, 8:21pm
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Still
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macfalk
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May 31 2010, 9:12pm
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MGM is in bankruptcy
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entmaiden
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May 31 2010, 10:12pm
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I may be wrong but
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Kangi Ska
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May 31 2010, 10:30pm
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You're probably right
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entmaiden
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May 31 2010, 11:50pm
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and in a further attempt to be fair...
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Patty
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Jun 1 2010, 12:32am
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Yes
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entmaiden
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Jun 1 2010, 1:13am
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How did it come to this?
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Kangi Ska
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May 31 2010, 3:05pm
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[frodo scream]GUILLERMOOOOO!!!!!!![/frodo scream]
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Steelsheen
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May 31 2010, 4:01pm
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I just spit out my Honeycomb cereal!!!
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Ermanatar
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May 31 2010, 6:36pm
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Too late
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Doriath
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May 31 2010, 7:03pm
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Why should we harass MGM?
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Eldy
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May 31 2010, 10:40pm
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Many thanks, Guillermo
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Theodred
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May 31 2010, 11:37pm
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totally bummed
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Glaurung63
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Jun 1 2010, 12:27am
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I know there is sadness
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ringer5150
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Jun 1 2010, 3:08am
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thanks for my fav quote!
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Glaurung63
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Jun 2 2010, 1:37am
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: ) Just want all of us to keep hope alive.
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ringer5150
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Jun 2 2010, 4:59am
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to Stride forward!
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Glaurung63
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Jun 3 2010, 2:28am
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!!!???? Gutted...Please Help !!!!!???? [:¬(
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Huan71
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Jun 1 2010, 10:30am
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Didn't see that coming!!!
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the_argonath
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Jun 1 2010, 11:51am
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Unless...
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Doriath
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Jun 1 2010, 6:31pm
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At the risk of sounding overly dramatic...
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Voorhas
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Jun 1 2010, 7:17pm
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Probably for the best.
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Tampa Phil
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Jun 1 2010, 8:28pm
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LOL
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CreativeWriter
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Jun 1 2010, 9:25pm
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Where did the following come from?
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Kangi Ska
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Jun 2 2010, 12:06am
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The source
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Ataahua
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Jun 2 2010, 12:26am
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Six years, instead of three?
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SteveDJ
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Jun 1 2010, 8:30pm
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Oh no!!!
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Galadriel's ring
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Jun 1 2010, 9:28pm
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I know we were all wanting some big news, but not this kind!
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weaver
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Jun 2 2010, 1:38am
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Release Dates
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Celedor
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Jun 2 2010, 1:59am
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I haven't heard anyone in authority contradict them. Have you?//
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Kangi Ska
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Jun 2 2010, 2:10am
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Well, we're midway through 2010...
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Morthoron
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Jun 2 2010, 2:55am
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Things are going to happen very quickly.
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Kangi Ska
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Jun 2 2010, 3:30am
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I'm a bit worried about the
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Donry
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Jun 2 2010, 2:10pm
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Wow
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DiveTwin
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Jun 2 2010, 10:54pm
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The Hobbit is worth 6 years
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Dufusyte
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Jun 3 2010, 6:39pm
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Are you surprised enough
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shadowdog
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Jun 3 2010, 11:39pm
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What really happened
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Dufusyte
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Jun 4 2010, 4:05pm
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It is not the end of the world
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dzuidhof
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Jun 4 2010, 1:55am
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Very Unfortunate
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sphdle1
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Jun 4 2010, 2:59pm
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I don't think the religious set...
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Lunamoth
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Jun 4 2010, 6:02pm
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