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Sunflower
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Aug 30 2009, 4:08pm


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I appreciate your replies both to us and to JIm very much. That clears up everything.

I am not against 3D per se, but right now I have serious doubts about it in its current incarnation.

First, I am skeptical of the technology as it stands right now because it seems to be little more than a gimmick being forced on people to wring more dollars out of the filmgoing audience in tough economic times. I am very irrititated that there is not a choice between 2D and 3D for practically ALL the children's films and blockbusters out there this summer (oh, it shows on one "token" 2D screening but that's only 2 or 3 showings a week, in all the theaters in my town) and those 3D shows are a full $4 more than regular ticket price. I have no financial problem with it, being single, but for a family pinching pennies these days it could be a problem. Concessions cost enough!
As I have repeatedly said, 3 or 4 yrs ago I watched Beowulf in 3D for only $1.50 more than regular ticket price and loved it. IMO, a 3D film should not cost any more regular ticket price than that. Anything more is gouging and unfair. The price will have to come down considerably for me to be favorable to it.

Secondly, don't get me wrong, but I don't think the technolgy has evolved yet to a point where I am impressed with it. It's great at first, but after the first half-hour it is a huge distraction. And not all films are suitable for 3D--at least in its current incarnation. Something like Beowulf or action films are great, but as it stands now, films like dramas or romantic comedies are not suitable. I know for a fact that if LOTR were put into 3D right now, the intrusion of 3D in the quieter scenes, such as Bag End, Rivendell, the Golden Hall, and the Arwen scenes it would be huge irritating distraction and would take me completely out of the story. Face it, in the end 3D is going to have to look more like seamless 2D for me to be impressed. And the glasses will have to go. They are completely unecessary.

At the current rate of development, how long do you think it may be before 3D gets to this point? Jim may be able to answer this.

Thirdly, some of us are concerned that fascination with 3D technology is being undertaken at the expense of important things like sotry, character and emotion, still the most important things in a picture. Most 3D blockbusters this summer have been sorely lacking in these things. Buchanicus and I had an extended discussion of "District 9" and Avatar in the "Avatar" thread over in OT, which has now fallen to the 2nd page down there.
Based on what you saw, I sincererely hope that Mr. Cameron has a great story with the kind of unforgettable characters that we will fall in love with, that he has peopled his past films with. I have faith that he can accomplish this..I hope.

Lastly, I am very interested to learn that apparently there are huge vision/eyesight issues for older 3D viewers. The population of the US and many other countries is rapidly aging and reading some comments on here, I am finding out that the technology is not suitable for middle-aged and older viewers. Before the technolgy can become completely acessable to the entire filmgoing population, it will have to be cleaned up to the point where these issues are resolved.
And Hollywood has got to stop concentrating on the younger and "four quandrant" family audiences--people under 50, and face the fact that demographically, they can't continue to make the huge sums of money they want without reaching out to this audience. Such antiquated things as dramas and sophisticated (NOT snarky) romantic comedies will have to come back if Hollywood is to survive. And films for women too. IMO the film industry in the end is NOT going to live and die on the blockbuster. The studio heads have GOT to get past this "huge and instant profit" metality and open themselves up to more "middle-range" films. District 9 has shown a path to how this can be successfully done, and at a fraction of the cost. (Now THERE's a film that would have been great in 3-D!)
How will 3D accomadate this? (This is a 30-something woman speaking.)

And lastly: in a nutshell, someone has to convince me WHY we need this technology so much. SorryTongueSmile
Film preservationsits and historians working in film libraries in Hollywood are finding out, with alarm, that analog film prints from decades ago are in remarkable great shape, whereas the first digital prints from the 80's and early '90's are already fading. I am concerned that digital technolgy may not last as long as traditional film prints..has any thought been given to longevity and preservation issues, or are film-makers been to dazzled by the wonder of the present?


Oh--and I guess I'm very lucky to have an IMAX theater in my town! There are less than 500 worldwide? Albany, NY is VERY fortunate then!


(This post was edited by Sunflower on Aug 30 2009, 4:15pm)

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Please let those 3D 'Hobbit' rumors rest in peace MrCere Send a private message to MrCere Aug 28 2009, 9:50am
    Good. Buchanicus Send a private message to Buchanicus Aug 28 2009, 10:26am
        agree Mitrandir Send a private message to Mitrandir Aug 28 2009, 10:59am
    LOL Love the graphic!!! debo Send a private message to debo Aug 28 2009, 11:26am
    How do I say "YAY" in 3D? Earl Send a private message to Earl Aug 28 2009, 11:39am
    Is it just me... Parker Send a private message to Parker Aug 28 2009, 11:52am
    Good good! Consistency till death! xxxyyy Send a private message to xxxyyy Aug 28 2009, 12:21pm
        I love consistancy, too. And LotR was in 2D. But... Patty Send a private message to Patty Aug 28 2009, 12:26pm
    Del Toro Said Exactly... Nothing. jimdorey Send a private message to jimdorey Aug 28 2009, 1:01pm
        a possible interpret. Mithrandír Send a private message to Mithrandír Aug 28 2009, 1:25pm
        Double-speak Gwynhyffar Send a private message to Gwynhyffar Aug 28 2009, 1:41pm
        How are 3D scripts different from 2D scripts? squire Send a private message to squire Aug 28 2009, 2:19pm
            Clearing up misconceptions jimdorey Send a private message to jimdorey Aug 28 2009, 2:30pm
                Perhaps Tim Send a private message to Tim Aug 28 2009, 2:39pm
                    He jimdorey Send a private message to jimdorey Aug 28 2009, 2:53pm
                        Mislead or sidestep... Tim Send a private message to Tim Aug 28 2009, 7:12pm
                            T Ceres_the_Dwarf_(planet) Send a private message to Ceres_the_Dwarf_(planet) Aug 30 2009, 6:36pm
                                Hmm.. Radagast_the_Brown Send a private message to Radagast_the_Brown Aug 30 2009, 7:17pm
                                Regardless- Guillermo Aug 30 2009, 7:55pm
                                    WM3-D .......Love it! farmer maggot Send a private message to farmer maggot Aug 30 2009, 8:15pm
                                    Nice one G. Ataahua Send a private message to Ataahua Aug 30 2009, 8:30pm
                                    LOL // Magpie Send a private message to Magpie Aug 30 2009, 8:39pm
                                        LOL! Sunflower Send a private message to Sunflower Aug 30 2009, 9:37pm
                                    Okay, I get the absurdity... Ceres_the_Dwarf_(planet) Send a private message to Ceres_the_Dwarf_(planet) Aug 30 2009, 8:43pm
                                    Period. Full stop! grammaboodawg Send a private message to grammaboodawg Aug 31 2009, 1:18am
                                    G's Not a Crook! Tim Send a private message to Tim Aug 31 2009, 1:19am
                                    Sounds pretty clear to me.... Donry Send a private message to Donry Aug 31 2009, 3:54pm
                                    LOL! Alassëa Eruvande Send a private message to Alassëa Eruvande Sep 4 2009, 2:57pm
                                        [no subject] mordor89 Send a private message to mordor89 Sep 19 2009, 6:55pm
                        I'd just like to say... Buchanicus Send a private message to Buchanicus Aug 28 2009, 9:17pm
                            I saw the Avatar trailer on a 2D screen... Snaga Send a private message to Snaga Aug 28 2009, 11:13pm
                                Maybe augmented reality is a part of the answer to future 3D reality, if you don't want to wear those glasses? Theodred Send a private message to Theodred Aug 30 2009, 7:38pm
                                    Didn't look that impressive to me shadowdog Send a private message to shadowdog Aug 31 2009, 4:32pm
                                        Why on a screen? Theodred Send a private message to Theodred Aug 31 2009, 8:51pm
                                            this here is the very reason weathertop Send a private message to weathertop Aug 31 2009, 9:07pm
                                                That will probably also change in the future, Theodred Send a private message to Theodred Aug 31 2009, 9:27pm
                                                Want! Ainu Laire Send a private message to Ainu Laire Sep 1 2009, 9:19am
                                            Wow, flashback to Fahrenheit 451. Ataahua Send a private message to Ataahua Aug 31 2009, 9:28pm
                                            No. Eowyn of Penns Woods Send a private message to Eowyn of Penns Woods Sep 1 2009, 4:00am
                                                I have to disagree with you I'm afraid. Theodred Send a private message to Theodred Sep 1 2009, 9:06pm
                                                    Then call it a hybrid? Eowyn of Penns Woods Send a private message to Eowyn of Penns Woods Sep 1 2009, 10:36pm
                    yes Mithrandír Send a private message to Mithrandír Aug 28 2009, 3:15pm
            Well said Tim Send a private message to Tim Aug 28 2009, 2:33pm
        How do you punish your anonymous sources when they're wrong? N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Aug 28 2009, 3:08pm
            Sources aren't responsible when the situation changes. Elizabeth Send a private message to Elizabeth Aug 28 2009, 9:39pm
                Acountability Tim Send a private message to Tim Aug 28 2009, 9:50pm
                Did the situation change? N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Aug 28 2009, 10:29pm
                    As I recall, he said he wanted to... Elizabeth Send a private message to Elizabeth Aug 29 2009, 8:07am
                        Well reasoned... jimdorey Send a private message to jimdorey Aug 29 2009, 3:26pm
                            Oh, well- Guillermo Aug 30 2009, 6:01am
                                Thank you! Elizabeth Send a private message to Elizabeth Aug 30 2009, 7:17am
                                Thankyou... Radagast_the_Brown Send a private message to Radagast_the_Brown Aug 30 2009, 7:25am
                                Thank you Peredhil lover Send a private message to Peredhil lover Aug 30 2009, 10:44am
                                Thank you for giving us the most definitive reply possible on this! farmer maggot Send a private message to farmer maggot Aug 30 2009, 10:59am
                                    I believe Jim- Guillermo Aug 30 2009, 11:10am
                                        That clears that up... CuChulainn Send a private message to CuChulainn Aug 30 2009, 11:54am
                                        Well yeah Jim ain't the Devil Tim Send a private message to Tim Aug 30 2009, 3:58pm
                                        Add me to the "thank you's" Sunflower Send a private message to Sunflower Aug 30 2009, 4:08pm
                                            Good questions.... Tim Send a private message to Tim Aug 30 2009, 4:16pm
                                            1's and 0's Tim Send a private message to Tim Aug 31 2009, 1:54am
                                                Read anything from your old 5" floppies lately, or some Wordstar files from college? squire Send a private message to squire Aug 31 2009, 3:03am
                                                    oh, no man fer sure dvd's ain't going to be around long Tim Send a private message to Tim Aug 31 2009, 5:19am
                                                        Well... Sunflower Send a private message to Sunflower Aug 31 2009, 6:53am
                                                        One last thing Sunflower Send a private message to Sunflower Aug 31 2009, 7:32am
                                        Thank you for the comments and added extras! farmer maggot Send a private message to farmer maggot Aug 30 2009, 5:56pm
                                        Aha! Curious Send a private message to Curious Aug 30 2009, 9:30pm
                                        *huge smile* grammaboodawg Send a private message to grammaboodawg Aug 31 2009, 1:40am
                                Thank you, sir! Ainu Laire Send a private message to Ainu Laire Aug 30 2009, 12:29pm
                                Thanks Magpie Send a private message to Magpie Aug 30 2009, 12:50pm
                                Woot Guillermo to the rescue! Tim Send a private message to Tim Aug 30 2009, 3:44pm
                                    Doubts About No 3D Weren't Unreasonable Ceres_the_Dwarf_(planet) Send a private message to Ceres_the_Dwarf_(planet) Aug 30 2009, 4:11pm
                                        That's not what was being claimed Tim Send a private message to Tim Aug 30 2009, 4:51pm
            PJ jimdorey Send a private message to jimdorey Aug 29 2009, 3:13pm
                So did the situation change this time too? N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Aug 30 2009, 7:40am
                    hehe... Magpie Send a private message to Magpie Aug 30 2009, 12:52pm
        GdT is the co-screenwriter as well as the director Voronwë_the_Faithful Send a private message to Voronwë_the_Faithful Aug 28 2009, 3:23pm
        With all respect, are you kidding? MrCere Send a private message to MrCere Aug 28 2009, 11:19pm
            *stands up in the audience and says "yeah" to what MrCere just said* Tim Send a private message to Tim Aug 28 2009, 11:43pm
            Well said! *applause* Peredhil lover Send a private message to Peredhil lover Aug 29 2009, 7:35am
            I don't know jimdorey Send a private message to jimdorey Aug 29 2009, 3:17pm
            PERIOD! Full Stop! Well done, sir :) // grammaboodawg Send a private message to grammaboodawg Aug 29 2009, 4:41pm
    Yeah he did say no Tim Send a private message to Tim Aug 28 2009, 1:58pm
    Amazing Garfeimao Send a private message to Garfeimao Aug 28 2009, 4:19pm
    Just a thought here because both views may be 'right' farmer maggot Send a private message to farmer maggot Aug 28 2009, 4:22pm
    Good! Compa_Mighty Aug 28 2009, 4:50pm
    Those malicious Interwebs lumpkin Send a private message to lumpkin Aug 29 2009, 3:05am
        lumpkin!!!!! grammaboodawg Send a private message to grammaboodawg Aug 29 2009, 4:48pm
        Hi Lumpkin! Patty Send a private message to Patty Aug 29 2009, 6:40pm

 
 
 

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