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The darkness is a serious problem.

FarFromHome
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Jun 15 2009, 10:26am


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The darkness is a serious problem. [In reply to] Can't Post

I hope The Hobbit won't all take place in the harsh, bluish "darkness" of LotR. I don't have a very good visual memory, but I have the impression that the underground scenes in Pan's Labyrinth weren't so stark - were they a bit less harshly lit, and/or a bit more greenish or brownish maybe? Still, those were fairly short scenes compared to the amount of time Bilbo spends underground in The Hobbit. I would think that a lot of thought is going to have to go into the "palette" for these.

I agree that you don't need either a narrator or Bilbo's own words later to the dwarves to make this kind of moment work. The scene should have brought the audience to the place where they can understand Bilbo's thoughts - we'll have had our own chance to sense what Gollum's life must have been like, and our own chance to see what Bilbo is capable of, and so we should be able not only to understand Bilbo's reaction but to empathize with it as well.


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Now, the issue of how to film Bilbo when he is invisible ....



I have a feeling that this problem has already been addressed in other films (Harry Potter's invisibility cloak for example), as well as in the way the Ring-world works for Frodo in LotR. Bilbo wouldn't get the scary Eye-related stuff that Frodo gets, of course, but he could have some kind of fuzzy-edged view of the world. And conversely, as we see Frodo through that misty aura we could see Bilbo through his own gentler one when he's invisible. When the camera switches to the POV of someone else, of course, he would actually be invisible. That's how it works in LotR, and it doesn't seem to cause any problems of comprehension - I guess the conventions are well enough established that we hardly notice it's being done at all.


They went in, and Sam shut the door.
But even as he did so, he heard suddenly,
deep and unstilled, the sigh and murmur of the Sea
upon the shores of Middle-earth.
From the unpublished Epilogue to the Lord of the Rings


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Another unfilmable paragraph? Voronwë_the_Faithful Send a private message to Voronwë_the_Faithful Jun 14 2009, 2:53am
    How about this? Finding Frodo Send a private message to Finding Frodo Jun 14 2009, 3:45am
        That's better than anything I can think of Voronwë_the_Faithful Send a private message to Voronwë_the_Faithful Jun 14 2009, 4:03am
            well, if they had an actor as good as Jimmy Stewart . . . Annael Send a private message to Annael Jun 17 2009, 3:27pm
                Great example! Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone Jun 17 2009, 4:10pm
        Well done! sador Send a private message to sador Jun 14 2009, 6:00am
    Think of it from another perspective. Silverlode Send a private message to Silverlode Jun 14 2009, 7:43am
        Yes - if the actor can show dernwyn Send a private message to dernwyn Jun 14 2009, 4:41pm
            The thing that really makes it possible Silverlode Send a private message to Silverlode Jun 14 2009, 7:50pm
    You don't film paragraphs. FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Jun 14 2009, 9:02pm
        You don't film books either. N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Jun 14 2009, 9:55pm
            Oh, I thought that was the issue... FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Jun 15 2009, 10:31am
        But you might film "moments" squire Send a private message to squire Jun 14 2009, 10:32pm
            Yes indeed. FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Jun 15 2009, 10:04am
    Film is a visual medium. A filmmaker should not, I judge, Curious Send a private message to Curious Jun 15 2009, 5:48am
        The darkness is a serious problem. FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Jun 15 2009, 10:26am
    interesting question Jettorex Send a private message to Jettorex Jun 15 2009, 3:12pm
    It depends on the actor. Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone Jun 15 2009, 4:52pm
        Well Said Voronwë_the_Faithful Send a private message to Voronwë_the_Faithful Jun 15 2009, 5:24pm
            Lots of hammers in "The Hobbit", none proverbial. N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Jun 15 2009, 5:52pm
                It took me a while to figure out what you were referring to Voronwë_the_Faithful Send a private message to Voronwë_the_Faithful Jun 15 2009, 9:06pm
                How were the clothes in the troll-cave hanging from the walls? sador Send a private message to sador Jun 16 2009, 6:36am
                    Snails, too. N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Jun 16 2009, 1:03pm
                        And trails. Lots of trails Voronwë_the_Faithful Send a private message to Voronwë_the_Faithful Jun 16 2009, 1:17pm
                            "Why Richard, it profits a man nothing to give his soul for the whole world, but for...?" // N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Jun 16 2009, 3:48pm
                        That's way beyond my pail. sador Send a private message to sador Jun 16 2009, 1:18pm
                            And quite a tale. N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Jun 16 2009, 3:35pm
                        and a Jail Jettorex Send a private message to Jettorex Jun 16 2009, 1:56pm
                            Yes, but not by that name. // N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Jun 16 2009, 4:03pm
                Only one? FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Jun 16 2009, 4:27pm
                    try's to think of a rhyme cameragod Send a private message to cameragod Jun 17 2009, 10:20am
        But aren't you begging the question? FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Jun 17 2009, 1:29pm
            The answer is "no". Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone Jun 17 2009, 3:16pm
                Okay. FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Jun 17 2009, 3:57pm

 
 
 

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