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FarFromHome
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Jun 15 2009, 10:26am
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The darkness is a serious problem.
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I hope The Hobbit won't all take place in the harsh, bluish "darkness" of LotR. I don't have a very good visual memory, but I have the impression that the underground scenes in Pan's Labyrinth weren't so stark - were they a bit less harshly lit, and/or a bit more greenish or brownish maybe? Still, those were fairly short scenes compared to the amount of time Bilbo spends underground in The Hobbit. I would think that a lot of thought is going to have to go into the "palette" for these. I agree that you don't need either a narrator or Bilbo's own words later to the dwarves to make this kind of moment work. The scene should have brought the audience to the place where they can understand Bilbo's thoughts - we'll have had our own chance to sense what Gollum's life must have been like, and our own chance to see what Bilbo is capable of, and so we should be able not only to understand Bilbo's reaction but to empathize with it as well. Now, the issue of how to film Bilbo when he is invisible .... I have a feeling that this problem has already been addressed in other films (Harry Potter's invisibility cloak for example), as well as in the way the Ring-world works for Frodo in LotR. Bilbo wouldn't get the scary Eye-related stuff that Frodo gets, of course, but he could have some kind of fuzzy-edged view of the world. And conversely, as we see Frodo through that misty aura we could see Bilbo through his own gentler one when he's invisible. When the camera switches to the POV of someone else, of course, he would actually be invisible. That's how it works in LotR, and it doesn't seem to cause any problems of comprehension - I guess the conventions are well enough established that we hardly notice it's being done at all.
They went in, and Sam shut the door. But even as he did so, he heard suddenly, deep and unstilled, the sigh and murmur of the Sea upon the shores of Middle-earth. From the unpublished Epilogue to the Lord of the Rings
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Another unfilmable paragraph?
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
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Jun 14 2009, 2:53am
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How about this?
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Finding Frodo
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Jun 14 2009, 3:45am
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That's better than anything I can think of
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
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Jun 14 2009, 4:03am
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well, if they had an actor as good as Jimmy Stewart . . .
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Annael
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Jun 17 2009, 3:27pm
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Great example!
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Darkstone
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Jun 17 2009, 4:10pm
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Well done!
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sador
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Jun 14 2009, 6:00am
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Think of it from another perspective.
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Silverlode
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Jun 14 2009, 7:43am
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Yes - if the actor can show
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dernwyn
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Jun 14 2009, 4:41pm
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The thing that really makes it possible
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Silverlode
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Jun 14 2009, 7:50pm
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You don't film paragraphs.
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FarFromHome
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Jun 14 2009, 9:02pm
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You don't film books either.
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N.E. Brigand
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Jun 14 2009, 9:55pm
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Oh, I thought that was the issue...
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FarFromHome
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Jun 15 2009, 10:31am
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But you might film "moments"
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squire
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Jun 14 2009, 10:32pm
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Yes indeed.
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FarFromHome
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Jun 15 2009, 10:04am
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Film is a visual medium. A filmmaker should not, I judge,
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Curious
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Jun 15 2009, 5:48am
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The darkness is a serious problem.
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FarFromHome
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Jun 15 2009, 10:26am
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interesting question
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Jettorex
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Jun 15 2009, 3:12pm
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It depends on the actor.
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Darkstone
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Jun 15 2009, 4:52pm
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Well Said
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
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Jun 15 2009, 5:24pm
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Lots of hammers in "The Hobbit", none proverbial.
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N.E. Brigand
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Jun 15 2009, 5:52pm
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It took me a while to figure out what you were referring to
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
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Jun 15 2009, 9:06pm
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How were the clothes in the troll-cave hanging from the walls?
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sador
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Jun 16 2009, 6:36am
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Snails, too.
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N.E. Brigand
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Jun 16 2009, 1:03pm
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And trails. Lots of trails
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
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Jun 16 2009, 1:17pm
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"Why Richard, it profits a man nothing to give his soul for the whole world, but for...?" //
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N.E. Brigand
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Jun 16 2009, 3:48pm
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That's way beyond my pail.
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sador
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Jun 16 2009, 1:18pm
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And quite a tale.
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N.E. Brigand
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Jun 16 2009, 3:35pm
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and a Jail
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Jettorex
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Jun 16 2009, 1:56pm
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Yes, but not by that name. //
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N.E. Brigand
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Jun 16 2009, 4:03pm
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Only one?
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FarFromHome
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Jun 16 2009, 4:27pm
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try's to think of a rhyme
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cameragod
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Jun 17 2009, 10:20am
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But aren't you begging the question?
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FarFromHome
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Jun 17 2009, 1:29pm
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The answer is "no".
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Darkstone
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Jun 17 2009, 3:16pm
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Okay.
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FarFromHome
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Jun 17 2009, 3:57pm
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