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Dreamdeer
Valinor
Jun 9 2009, 4:43pm
Views: 744
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The contradictions point up what I mean when I say that Tolkien is a transitional writer. He's starting to question the prejudices of his day, though he hasn't quite made it through all the way, yet.
Life is beautiful and dangerous! Beware! Enjoy!
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User
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**Hobbit Discussion – Inside Information** Part 1 – Bilbo earns his reward
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grammaboodawg
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Jun 8 2009, 1:59pm
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Thoughts.
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Curious
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Jun 8 2009, 2:57pm
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*nods and chuckles intermittently*
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grammaboodawg
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Jun 8 2009, 7:00pm
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Peep!
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Dreamdeer
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Jun 8 2009, 4:16pm
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*snigger* Did you see the 2nd one? ;) //
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grammaboodawg
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Jun 8 2009, 6:53pm
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Whups!
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Dreamdeer
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Jun 8 2009, 11:12pm
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Tolkien's characterization of dwarves makes me uncomfortable.
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Curious
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Jun 8 2009, 7:28pm
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That 1965 interview
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N.E. Brigand
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Jun 8 2009, 8:01pm
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Does Rateliffe mention 1965?
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FarFromHome
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Jun 8 2009, 8:51pm
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Recorded in 1965, broadcast in 1971 (see Scull/Hammond). //
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N.E. Brigand
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Jun 8 2009, 10:09pm
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I'm fairly sure that the 1971 audio is an edited version of the 1965 interview
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
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Jun 9 2009, 6:32am
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Very interesting!
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Curious
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Jun 9 2009, 4:53pm
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Indeed!
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
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Jun 9 2009, 5:07pm
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Yes, I can see why Christopher may not
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Curious
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Jun 9 2009, 5:14pm
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WOW!
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Dreamdeer
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Jun 9 2009, 5:30pm
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For all we know
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N.E. Brigand
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Jun 9 2009, 6:49pm
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For all we know, what?
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
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Jun 9 2009, 7:09pm
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We've only just begun
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N.E. Brigand
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Jun 9 2009, 7:29pm
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So you weren't uncomfortable
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FarFromHome
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Jun 8 2009, 9:38pm
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No, now that Tolkien made the real-world comparison,
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Curious
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Jun 8 2009, 11:12pm
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Tolkien's personal arc
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Dreamdeer
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Jun 8 2009, 11:17pm
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What makes me uncomfortable...
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FarFromHome
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Jun 9 2009, 10:08am
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Some do, and some don't
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sador
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Jun 9 2009, 10:16am
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But I do mind.
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Curious
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Jun 9 2009, 1:24pm
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That's the problem...
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FarFromHome
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Jun 9 2009, 2:17pm
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That's a nice way of letting Tolkien off the hook.
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Curious
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Jun 9 2009, 2:46pm
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The interview raises several points.
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FarFromHome
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Jun 9 2009, 3:56pm
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Tolkien is, however,
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Curious
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Jun 9 2009, 4:21pm
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Match how?
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
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Jun 9 2009, 4:37pm
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That stereotype right there
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Dreamdeer
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Jun 9 2009, 5:19pm
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I think that is a real stretch to call that a negative stereotype
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
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Jun 9 2009, 5:37pm
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My bad
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Dreamdeer
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Jun 9 2009, 5:49pm
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Can you expand on this?
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
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Jun 9 2009, 7:02pm
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Like, okay. Tremendous love, not so much.
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Dreamdeer
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Jun 10 2009, 11:26pm
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Whoa
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squire
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Jun 9 2009, 8:41pm
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Does a cathedral count as an artefact?
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Curious
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Jun 9 2009, 8:51pm
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Huh?
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squire
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Jun 10 2009, 12:06am
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Fair enough.//
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Curious
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Jun 10 2009, 12:21am
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Not so idealized.
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FarFromHome
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Jun 10 2009, 8:41am
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Letter 202: "Art or cash."
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Darkstone
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Jun 10 2009, 1:18pm
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Or girls.
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Curious
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Jun 10 2009, 1:42pm
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It's not a dichotomy
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FarFromHome
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Jun 10 2009, 2:13pm
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It's a continuum.
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Darkstone
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Jun 10 2009, 2:42pm
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The treatment gave him pause.
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N.E. Brigand
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Jun 10 2009, 2:45pm
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Was the Professor a "bleeder"?
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Darkstone
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Jun 10 2009, 3:49pm
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Yeah.
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FarFromHome
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Jun 10 2009, 4:18pm
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Yeah
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Darkstone
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Jun 10 2009, 4:38pm
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"'No man but a blockhead ever wrote, except for money.'"
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Curious
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Jun 10 2009, 4:54pm
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What about a woman?
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Darkstone
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Jun 10 2009, 5:14pm
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I'm afraid Johson
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Curious
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Jun 10 2009, 5:15pm
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I'm a Blockhead.
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Dreamdeer
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Jun 10 2009, 11:48pm
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I see the discrepancy now.
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Dreamdeer
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Jun 10 2009, 11:41pm
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There's art and then there's art
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Dreamdeer
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Jun 10 2009, 11:32pm
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Shaping versus shape?
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Darkstone
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Jun 9 2009, 8:48pm
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Very good point!
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Dreamdeer
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Jun 10 2009, 11:29pm
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Tolkien does not
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Curious
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Jun 9 2009, 5:49pm
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You're right.
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FarFromHome
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Jun 9 2009, 5:04pm
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It's a delicate matter.
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Curious
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Jun 9 2009, 5:25pm
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Culture versus race
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Dreamdeer
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Jun 9 2009, 5:42pm
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This is why...
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Dreamdeer
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Jun 9 2009, 5:13pm
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I'm more worried about what I unconsciously reveal.
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Curious
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Jun 9 2009, 9:12pm
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Sounds familiar.
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Dreamdeer
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Jun 10 2009, 11:36pm
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That's a nice way of letting all authors off the hook.
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N.E. Brigand
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Jun 9 2009, 4:09pm
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I'm not sure why they're on the hook in the first place.
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FarFromHome
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Jun 9 2009, 5:44pm
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At most, Tolkien is on the hook
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Curious
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Jun 9 2009, 6:01pm
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Exactly
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Dreamdeer
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Jun 9 2009, 4:43pm
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Degrees of Discomfort
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Dreamdeer
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Jun 9 2009, 4:39pm
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But had he outgrown it in 1965?//
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Curious
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Jun 9 2009, 4:51pm
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He was working on it.
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Dreamdeer
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Jun 9 2009, 5:21pm
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One might see The Hobbit as a sign of growth
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sador
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Jun 9 2009, 4:56pm
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Gimli and Galadriel
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Dreamdeer
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Jun 9 2009, 5:47pm
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I give him both more and less credit than that.
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Curious
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Jun 9 2009, 1:55pm
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every one
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Twit
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Jun 9 2009, 2:09pm
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Greed, etc.
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Dreamdeer
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Jun 9 2009, 5:04pm
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Thank you
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Twit
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Jun 10 2009, 10:21am
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Ubiquitous Patterns of Thought
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Dreamdeer
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Jun 9 2009, 4:54pm
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We're still human
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FarFromHome
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Jun 9 2009, 5:17pm
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"flexes his oratory muscles"!
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dernwyn
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Jun 9 2009, 2:18am
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Thorin did, in 'A Warm Welcome'
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sador
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Jun 9 2009, 6:06am
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The current situation
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dernwyn
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Jun 9 2009, 11:12am
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Let's hope this wasn't the case:)...
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batik
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Jun 9 2009, 3:29am
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That's what I love about doing these
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grammaboodawg
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Jun 11 2009, 4:47pm
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Citizen soldier vs. hero
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Beren IV
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Jun 9 2009, 5:25am
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Bilbo, Frodo, Merry, Sam, and Pippin
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Curious
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Jun 9 2009, 5:08pm
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Except they're not fighting soldiers (for the most part)
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Beren IV
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Jun 9 2009, 8:12pm
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Those monsters
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Curious
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Jun 9 2009, 9:05pm
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Imperial Stormtrooper Syndrome
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Darkstone
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Jun 9 2009, 9:10pm
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Tolkien did not undestand evil
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Beren IV
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Jun 10 2009, 12:41am
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I don't think it's about not understanding.
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FarFromHome
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Jun 10 2009, 8:55am
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Gee, that's pretty close
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Curious
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Jun 10 2009, 5:13pm
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The men under Sauron (and Saruman) are different.
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Curious
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Jun 10 2009, 1:31pm
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here goes...
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Twit
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Jun 9 2009, 11:55am
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"Say so at once, and have done!"
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FarFromHome
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Jun 9 2009, 1:55pm
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Preparing Himself for the Worst
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GaladrielTX
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Jun 9 2009, 11:10pm
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Playing peek-a-boo
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dernwyn
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Jun 9 2009, 11:49pm
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Merry did
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sador
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Jun 10 2009, 6:09am
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