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Twit
Lorien
Jun 9 2009, 2:09pm
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knows of some one who is mean, greedy and selfish - every one knows some one who is kind, thoughful and considerate, we all have these things in us, it's just whether we allow some things to control us over others. We are all to a point avaricious (?) but not all of us are specifically greedy enough for it to be all we are. Perhaps this is what Tolkein is alluding to in his stories, we all have the same basic thoughts, drives and desires and none of us are exempt from the possiblity that they might twist us and pull us in a more sinister direction. For the sake of this argument I hadn't thought of the Dwarves as Jewish at all, and don't 'get' it.
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**Hobbit Discussion – Inside Information** Part 1 – Bilbo earns his reward
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grammaboodawg
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Jun 8 2009, 1:59pm
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Thoughts.
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Curious
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Jun 8 2009, 2:57pm
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*nods and chuckles intermittently*
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grammaboodawg
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Jun 8 2009, 7:00pm
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Peep!
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Dreamdeer
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Jun 8 2009, 4:16pm
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*snigger* Did you see the 2nd one? ;) //
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grammaboodawg
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Jun 8 2009, 6:53pm
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Whups!
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Dreamdeer
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Jun 8 2009, 11:12pm
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Tolkien's characterization of dwarves makes me uncomfortable.
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Curious
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Jun 8 2009, 7:28pm
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That 1965 interview
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N.E. Brigand
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Jun 8 2009, 8:01pm
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Does Rateliffe mention 1965?
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FarFromHome
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Jun 8 2009, 8:51pm
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Recorded in 1965, broadcast in 1971 (see Scull/Hammond). //
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N.E. Brigand
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Jun 8 2009, 10:09pm
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I'm fairly sure that the 1971 audio is an edited version of the 1965 interview
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
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Jun 9 2009, 6:32am
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Very interesting!
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Curious
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Jun 9 2009, 4:53pm
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Indeed!
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
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Jun 9 2009, 5:07pm
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Yes, I can see why Christopher may not
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Curious
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Jun 9 2009, 5:14pm
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WOW!
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Dreamdeer
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Jun 9 2009, 5:30pm
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For all we know
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N.E. Brigand
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Jun 9 2009, 6:49pm
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For all we know, what?
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
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Jun 9 2009, 7:09pm
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We've only just begun
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N.E. Brigand
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Jun 9 2009, 7:29pm
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So you weren't uncomfortable
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FarFromHome
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Jun 8 2009, 9:38pm
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No, now that Tolkien made the real-world comparison,
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Curious
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Jun 8 2009, 11:12pm
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Tolkien's personal arc
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Dreamdeer
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Jun 8 2009, 11:17pm
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What makes me uncomfortable...
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FarFromHome
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Jun 9 2009, 10:08am
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Some do, and some don't
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sador
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Jun 9 2009, 10:16am
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But I do mind.
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Curious
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Jun 9 2009, 1:24pm
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That's the problem...
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FarFromHome
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Jun 9 2009, 2:17pm
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That's a nice way of letting Tolkien off the hook.
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Curious
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Jun 9 2009, 2:46pm
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The interview raises several points.
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FarFromHome
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Jun 9 2009, 3:56pm
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Tolkien is, however,
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Curious
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Jun 9 2009, 4:21pm
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Match how?
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
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Jun 9 2009, 4:37pm
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That stereotype right there
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Dreamdeer
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Jun 9 2009, 5:19pm
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I think that is a real stretch to call that a negative stereotype
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
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Jun 9 2009, 5:37pm
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My bad
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Dreamdeer
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Jun 9 2009, 5:49pm
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Can you expand on this?
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
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Jun 9 2009, 7:02pm
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Like, okay. Tremendous love, not so much.
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Dreamdeer
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Jun 10 2009, 11:26pm
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Whoa
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squire
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Jun 9 2009, 8:41pm
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Does a cathedral count as an artefact?
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Curious
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Jun 9 2009, 8:51pm
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Huh?
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squire
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Jun 10 2009, 12:06am
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Fair enough.//
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Curious
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Jun 10 2009, 12:21am
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Not so idealized.
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FarFromHome
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Jun 10 2009, 8:41am
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Letter 202: "Art or cash."
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Darkstone
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Jun 10 2009, 1:18pm
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Or girls.
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Curious
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Jun 10 2009, 1:42pm
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It's not a dichotomy
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FarFromHome
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Jun 10 2009, 2:13pm
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It's a continuum.
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Darkstone
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Jun 10 2009, 2:42pm
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The treatment gave him pause.
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N.E. Brigand
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Jun 10 2009, 2:45pm
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Was the Professor a "bleeder"?
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Darkstone
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Jun 10 2009, 3:49pm
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Yeah.
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FarFromHome
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Jun 10 2009, 4:18pm
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Yeah
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Darkstone
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Jun 10 2009, 4:38pm
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"'No man but a blockhead ever wrote, except for money.'"
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Curious
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Jun 10 2009, 4:54pm
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What about a woman?
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Darkstone
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Jun 10 2009, 5:14pm
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I'm afraid Johson
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Curious
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Jun 10 2009, 5:15pm
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I'm a Blockhead.
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Dreamdeer
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Jun 10 2009, 11:48pm
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I see the discrepancy now.
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Dreamdeer
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Jun 10 2009, 11:41pm
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There's art and then there's art
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Dreamdeer
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Jun 10 2009, 11:32pm
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Shaping versus shape?
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Darkstone
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Jun 9 2009, 8:48pm
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Very good point!
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Dreamdeer
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Jun 10 2009, 11:29pm
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Tolkien does not
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Curious
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Jun 9 2009, 5:49pm
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You're right.
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FarFromHome
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Jun 9 2009, 5:04pm
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It's a delicate matter.
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Curious
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Jun 9 2009, 5:25pm
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Culture versus race
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Dreamdeer
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Jun 9 2009, 5:42pm
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This is why...
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Dreamdeer
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Jun 9 2009, 5:13pm
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I'm more worried about what I unconsciously reveal.
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Curious
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Jun 9 2009, 9:12pm
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Sounds familiar.
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Dreamdeer
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Jun 10 2009, 11:36pm
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That's a nice way of letting all authors off the hook.
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N.E. Brigand
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Jun 9 2009, 4:09pm
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I'm not sure why they're on the hook in the first place.
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FarFromHome
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Jun 9 2009, 5:44pm
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At most, Tolkien is on the hook
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Curious
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Jun 9 2009, 6:01pm
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Exactly
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Dreamdeer
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Jun 9 2009, 4:43pm
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Degrees of Discomfort
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Dreamdeer
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Jun 9 2009, 4:39pm
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But had he outgrown it in 1965?//
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Curious
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Jun 9 2009, 4:51pm
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He was working on it.
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Dreamdeer
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Jun 9 2009, 5:21pm
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One might see The Hobbit as a sign of growth
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sador
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Jun 9 2009, 4:56pm
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Gimli and Galadriel
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Dreamdeer
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Jun 9 2009, 5:47pm
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I give him both more and less credit than that.
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Curious
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Jun 9 2009, 1:55pm
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every one
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Twit
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Jun 9 2009, 2:09pm
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Greed, etc.
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Dreamdeer
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Jun 9 2009, 5:04pm
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Thank you
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Twit
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Jun 10 2009, 10:21am
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Ubiquitous Patterns of Thought
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Dreamdeer
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Jun 9 2009, 4:54pm
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We're still human
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FarFromHome
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Jun 9 2009, 5:17pm
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"flexes his oratory muscles"!
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dernwyn
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Jun 9 2009, 2:18am
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Thorin did, in 'A Warm Welcome'
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sador
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Jun 9 2009, 6:06am
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The current situation
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dernwyn
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Jun 9 2009, 11:12am
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Let's hope this wasn't the case:)...
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batik
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Jun 9 2009, 3:29am
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That's what I love about doing these
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grammaboodawg
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Jun 11 2009, 4:47pm
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Citizen soldier vs. hero
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Beren IV
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Jun 9 2009, 5:25am
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Bilbo, Frodo, Merry, Sam, and Pippin
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Curious
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Jun 9 2009, 5:08pm
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Except they're not fighting soldiers (for the most part)
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Beren IV
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Jun 9 2009, 8:12pm
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Those monsters
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Curious
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Jun 9 2009, 9:05pm
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Imperial Stormtrooper Syndrome
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Darkstone
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Jun 9 2009, 9:10pm
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Tolkien did not undestand evil
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Beren IV
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Jun 10 2009, 12:41am
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I don't think it's about not understanding.
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FarFromHome
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Jun 10 2009, 8:55am
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Gee, that's pretty close
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Curious
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Jun 10 2009, 5:13pm
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The men under Sauron (and Saruman) are different.
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Curious
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Jun 10 2009, 1:31pm
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here goes...
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Twit
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Jun 9 2009, 11:55am
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"Say so at once, and have done!"
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FarFromHome
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Jun 9 2009, 1:55pm
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Preparing Himself for the Worst
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GaladrielTX
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Jun 9 2009, 11:10pm
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Playing peek-a-boo
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dernwyn
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Jun 9 2009, 11:49pm
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Merry did
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sador
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Jun 10 2009, 6:09am
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