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Lorien
Jun 9 2009, 11:55am
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Bilbo? Disappointed? Vexed? By now, he not only has Thorin's number, but the others as well. Yes, he just seems resigned to what he needs to do, but is irritated that Thorin speaks to him in such a way, and that no-one will accompany him. Although I don't suppose he thought any one would go with him. Do you think Bilbo anticipated this moment, or were they all too distracted about just getting to the mountain and trying to find the door to consider what came next? I think he has had it on his mind yes, he was employed to be the burgler any way. He might have pushed the thought of what he might have to do to the back of his mind though. What do you think of his tone as he teases that he may refuse to go, but then says he'll go to have a peep? Is he living up to the hobbity way of making light of dire situations, or is he just messing with them? Do you think Bilbo's sounding more like Gandalf as he relates to the dwarves? I think he is just saying he won't go, giving himself the impression of a choice at least, and pointing out the fact that the others are not willing, or even able to follow him. Why do you think Fili and Kili were the only ones pointed out to seem chagrinned? Balin exceeded the other dwarves in showing his quality as the only one to volunteer to attend Bilbo...but only to a point. I think they feel a bit guilty about it, and possibly a bit envious Bilbo could hear the dwarves back at the tunnel entrance. What do you suppose the dwarves hovering around the door were whispering? Do you think Bilbo could make out what they were saying? Or if Balin could... and would it affect how he felt about Bilbo and/or his comrades? probably whether he'd make it out alive, whether he would double cross them. Balin might have felt it was unfair of them to say this. Of course it might have been more along the lines of "it's dark in there", "get off my foot" and "what is there to eat?" And so it begins. Bilbo screws himself up to pass through the door and down into the dark. Looks like he did have a peep afterall!! Do you think the anxiety of travelling the tunnel alone and getting gradual hints of what he was experiencing were effective at building tension for the reader/audience? Do you remember YOUR first impression as you travelled down with him? Yes, it sounds very claustrophobic, very uncomfortable. It's another unpleasant journey through a tunnel to certain danger. It was very exciting though, and my son really liked this.
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**Hobbit Discussion – Inside Information** Part 1 – Bilbo earns his reward
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grammaboodawg
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Jun 8 2009, 1:59pm
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Thoughts.
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Curious
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Jun 8 2009, 2:57pm
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*nods and chuckles intermittently*
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grammaboodawg
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Jun 8 2009, 7:00pm
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Peep!
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Dreamdeer
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Jun 8 2009, 4:16pm
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*snigger* Did you see the 2nd one? ;) //
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grammaboodawg
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Jun 8 2009, 6:53pm
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Whups!
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Dreamdeer
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Jun 8 2009, 11:12pm
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Tolkien's characterization of dwarves makes me uncomfortable.
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Curious
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Jun 8 2009, 7:28pm
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That 1965 interview
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N.E. Brigand
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Jun 8 2009, 8:01pm
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Does Rateliffe mention 1965?
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FarFromHome
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Jun 8 2009, 8:51pm
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Recorded in 1965, broadcast in 1971 (see Scull/Hammond). //
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N.E. Brigand
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Jun 8 2009, 10:09pm
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I'm fairly sure that the 1971 audio is an edited version of the 1965 interview
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
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Jun 9 2009, 6:32am
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Very interesting!
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Curious
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Jun 9 2009, 4:53pm
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Indeed!
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
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Jun 9 2009, 5:07pm
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Yes, I can see why Christopher may not
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Curious
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Jun 9 2009, 5:14pm
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WOW!
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Dreamdeer
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Jun 9 2009, 5:30pm
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For all we know
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N.E. Brigand
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Jun 9 2009, 6:49pm
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For all we know, what?
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
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Jun 9 2009, 7:09pm
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We've only just begun
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N.E. Brigand
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Jun 9 2009, 7:29pm
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So you weren't uncomfortable
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FarFromHome
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Jun 8 2009, 9:38pm
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No, now that Tolkien made the real-world comparison,
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Curious
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Jun 8 2009, 11:12pm
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Tolkien's personal arc
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Dreamdeer
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Jun 8 2009, 11:17pm
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What makes me uncomfortable...
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FarFromHome
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Jun 9 2009, 10:08am
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Some do, and some don't
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sador
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Jun 9 2009, 10:16am
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But I do mind.
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Curious
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Jun 9 2009, 1:24pm
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That's the problem...
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FarFromHome
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Jun 9 2009, 2:17pm
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That's a nice way of letting Tolkien off the hook.
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Curious
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Jun 9 2009, 2:46pm
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The interview raises several points.
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FarFromHome
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Jun 9 2009, 3:56pm
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Tolkien is, however,
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Curious
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Jun 9 2009, 4:21pm
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Match how?
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
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Jun 9 2009, 4:37pm
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That stereotype right there
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Dreamdeer
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Jun 9 2009, 5:19pm
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I think that is a real stretch to call that a negative stereotype
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
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Jun 9 2009, 5:37pm
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My bad
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Dreamdeer
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Jun 9 2009, 5:49pm
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Can you expand on this?
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
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Jun 9 2009, 7:02pm
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Like, okay. Tremendous love, not so much.
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Dreamdeer
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Jun 10 2009, 11:26pm
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Whoa
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squire
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Jun 9 2009, 8:41pm
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Does a cathedral count as an artefact?
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Curious
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Jun 9 2009, 8:51pm
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Huh?
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squire
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Jun 10 2009, 12:06am
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Fair enough.//
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Curious
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Jun 10 2009, 12:21am
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Not so idealized.
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FarFromHome
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Jun 10 2009, 8:41am
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Letter 202: "Art or cash."
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Darkstone
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Jun 10 2009, 1:18pm
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Or girls.
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Curious
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Jun 10 2009, 1:42pm
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It's not a dichotomy
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FarFromHome
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Jun 10 2009, 2:13pm
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It's a continuum.
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Darkstone
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Jun 10 2009, 2:42pm
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The treatment gave him pause.
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N.E. Brigand
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Jun 10 2009, 2:45pm
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Was the Professor a "bleeder"?
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Darkstone
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Jun 10 2009, 3:49pm
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Yeah.
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FarFromHome
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Jun 10 2009, 4:18pm
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Yeah
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Darkstone
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Jun 10 2009, 4:38pm
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"'No man but a blockhead ever wrote, except for money.'"
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Curious
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Jun 10 2009, 4:54pm
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What about a woman?
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Darkstone
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Jun 10 2009, 5:14pm
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I'm afraid Johson
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Curious
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Jun 10 2009, 5:15pm
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I'm a Blockhead.
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Dreamdeer
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Jun 10 2009, 11:48pm
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I see the discrepancy now.
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Dreamdeer
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Jun 10 2009, 11:41pm
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There's art and then there's art
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Dreamdeer
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Jun 10 2009, 11:32pm
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Shaping versus shape?
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Darkstone
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Jun 9 2009, 8:48pm
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Very good point!
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Dreamdeer
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Jun 10 2009, 11:29pm
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Tolkien does not
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Curious
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Jun 9 2009, 5:49pm
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You're right.
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FarFromHome
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Jun 9 2009, 5:04pm
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It's a delicate matter.
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Curious
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Jun 9 2009, 5:25pm
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Culture versus race
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Dreamdeer
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Jun 9 2009, 5:42pm
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This is why...
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Dreamdeer
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Jun 9 2009, 5:13pm
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I'm more worried about what I unconsciously reveal.
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Curious
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Jun 9 2009, 9:12pm
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Sounds familiar.
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Dreamdeer
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Jun 10 2009, 11:36pm
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That's a nice way of letting all authors off the hook.
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N.E. Brigand
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Jun 9 2009, 4:09pm
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I'm not sure why they're on the hook in the first place.
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FarFromHome
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Jun 9 2009, 5:44pm
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At most, Tolkien is on the hook
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Curious
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Jun 9 2009, 6:01pm
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Exactly
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Dreamdeer
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Jun 9 2009, 4:43pm
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Degrees of Discomfort
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Dreamdeer
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Jun 9 2009, 4:39pm
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But had he outgrown it in 1965?//
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Curious
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Jun 9 2009, 4:51pm
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He was working on it.
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Dreamdeer
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Jun 9 2009, 5:21pm
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One might see The Hobbit as a sign of growth
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sador
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Jun 9 2009, 4:56pm
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Gimli and Galadriel
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Dreamdeer
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Jun 9 2009, 5:47pm
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I give him both more and less credit than that.
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Curious
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Jun 9 2009, 1:55pm
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every one
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Twit
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Jun 9 2009, 2:09pm
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Greed, etc.
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Dreamdeer
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Jun 9 2009, 5:04pm
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Thank you
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Twit
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Jun 10 2009, 10:21am
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Ubiquitous Patterns of Thought
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Dreamdeer
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Jun 9 2009, 4:54pm
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We're still human
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FarFromHome
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Jun 9 2009, 5:17pm
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"flexes his oratory muscles"!
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dernwyn
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Jun 9 2009, 2:18am
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Thorin did, in 'A Warm Welcome'
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sador
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Jun 9 2009, 6:06am
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The current situation
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dernwyn
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Jun 9 2009, 11:12am
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Let's hope this wasn't the case:)...
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batik
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Jun 9 2009, 3:29am
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That's what I love about doing these
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grammaboodawg
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Jun 11 2009, 4:47pm
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Citizen soldier vs. hero
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Beren IV
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Jun 9 2009, 5:25am
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Bilbo, Frodo, Merry, Sam, and Pippin
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Curious
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Jun 9 2009, 5:08pm
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Except they're not fighting soldiers (for the most part)
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Beren IV
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Jun 9 2009, 8:12pm
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Those monsters
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Curious
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Jun 9 2009, 9:05pm
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Imperial Stormtrooper Syndrome
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Darkstone
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Jun 9 2009, 9:10pm
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Tolkien did not undestand evil
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Beren IV
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Jun 10 2009, 12:41am
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I don't think it's about not understanding.
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FarFromHome
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Jun 10 2009, 8:55am
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Gee, that's pretty close
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Curious
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Jun 10 2009, 5:13pm
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The men under Sauron (and Saruman) are different.
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Curious
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Jun 10 2009, 1:31pm
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here goes...
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Twit
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Jun 9 2009, 11:55am
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"Say so at once, and have done!"
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FarFromHome
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Jun 9 2009, 1:55pm
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Preparing Himself for the Worst
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GaladrielTX
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Jun 9 2009, 11:10pm
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Playing peek-a-boo
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dernwyn
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Jun 9 2009, 11:49pm
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Merry did
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sador
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Jun 10 2009, 6:09am
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